GGniner Wrote:quick summation

1) CSA were not 'terrorist', they had no desire to take over the Union through force and then impose their will on the northern states, they simply wanted to seceed as they had a right to do.

2) international islamic terrorist, much like the Nazi's and imperial Japan and the Soviet Union, are Totalitarians trying to take over the world and kill/behead those that don't bow down to allah and Sharia Law.

the differences are night and day

I NEVER SAID THAT THE CSA WERE TERRORISTS. I SAID THAT THE PEOPLE WHO USED THE FLAG AFTER THE CIVIL WAR ARE AND WERE TERRORISTS Read the thread, for ****'s sake.

Furthermore, I believe that taking up arms against the United States of America is wrong, no matter who you are.

RebelKev Wrote:The American flag flew for a longer period of time than the flag of the CSA. Should it be in a museum as well? How about the two slave-holding states that stayed with the North during the Civil War that didn't see their slaves freed until 1866, a year AFTER the ending of the Civil War? How about the many black people killed by William Tecumseh Sherman on his march to the sea, while flying the United States flag? How about the US-flagged ships that transported slaves at the time?

What about that one, Soph?

The American flag is the flag of this country. The flag of the CSA is NOT.

This has absolutely nothing to do with slavery. Why did you even bring that up?

This has nothing to do with Sherman killing people who were hindering his march. That was not an act of terrorism. Lynching was.

Regarding the US-flagged ships that transported slaves, again, this is not about slavery.

The ONLY people in this thread who have even brought up slavery are YOU and GGniner.

Again, the beef with the confederate flag is with its use AFTER the Civil War. Why is it that you guys just ignore that. If you polled people about why they have a problem with the confederate flag, you'll find that what I say is true.

And why did you ignore the comment about state capitals?

Sophandros Wrote:I NEVER SAID THAT THE CSA WERE TERRORISTS. I SAID THAT THE PEOPLE WHO USED THE FLAG AFTER THE CIVIL WAR ARE AND WERE TERRORISTS Read the thread, for ****'s sake.

...but you said anyone who flew that flag before, during, or after the Civil War, that used it to intimidate, were terrorists. So which it a terrorist, the flag? Or the people? If it's the flag, then the American flag was used for much longer. Is it terrorist as well?

Quote:Furthermore, I believe that taking up arms against the United States of America is wrong, no matter who you are.

Wrong to exercise your constitutional right? As for me, I think this country is heading for another one anyway, but it will be on a political ideology basis.

RebelKev Wrote:

Sophandros Wrote:I NEVER SAID THAT THE CSA WERE TERRORISTS. I SAID THAT THE PEOPLE WHO USED THE FLAG AFTER THE CIVIL WAR ARE AND WERE TERRORISTS Read the thread, for ****'s sake.

...but you said anyone who flew that flag before, during, or after the Civil War, that used it to intimidate, were terrorists. So which it a terrorist, the flag? Or the people? If it's the flag, then the American flag was used for much longer. Is it terrorist as well?

Quote:Furthermore, I believe that taking up arms against the United States of America is wrong, no matter who you are.

Wrong to exercise your constitutional right? As for me, I think this country is heading for another one anyway, but it will be on a political ideology basis.

No, Kevin. Read the thread again. I said that people who flew the flag before, during, and after a LYNCHING were terrorists. (hint: I posted that at 1:12 PM...) Again, please refrain from attempting to put words in my mouth.

So, you believe that it's your constitutional right to shoot American soldiers? Really? So why shouldn't the guys in Gitmo receive due process. Afterall, that's what started this tangent.

[quote=Sophandros]The American flag is the flag of this country. The flag of the CSA is NOT.[quote]

So you forgive the use of the American flag. Guess it's easy to change when it fits your agenda.

[quote]This has absolutely nothing to do with slavery. Why did you even bring that up?[/quote]

No, it has to do with race, and no, I didn't bring it up.

[quote]This has nothing to do with Sherman killing people who were hindering his march. That was not an act of terrorism. Lynching was.[/quote]

So killing people that get in your way isn't an act of terrorism? Hitler was great at this and I didn't think all those black people his Army encountered on the way were hindering his march in any way.

[quote]Regarding the US-flagged ships that transported slaves, again, this is not about slavery.[/quote]

So, transporting slaves, in shackles and bounded, wasn't intimidating? Wasn't an act of terrorism? Even I wouldn't go that far and I'm an evil conservative that eats babies and ****.

[quote]The ONLY people in this thread who have even brought up slavery are YOU and GGniner.[/quote]

And again, no, it's about race and I didn't bring it up.

[quote]Again, the beef with the confederate flag is with its use AFTER the Civil War. Why is it that you guys just ignore that. If you polled people about why they have a problem with the confederate flag, you'll find that what I say is true.

And why did you ignore the comment about state capitals?
[/quote]

What you say is not true, it's also very inconsistent. You seem to say it's ok on one side, the US Flag, and not ok on another.

I didn't see a comment about state capitols. Did you edit after I had read one of your comments? I'll go back and check it out.

...and after checking, it was YOU that brought up race and the confederacy.

Sophandros Wrote:So, you believe that it's your constitutional right to shoot American soldiers? Really? So why shouldn't the guys in Gitmo receive due process. Afterall, that's what started this tangent.

It was a war, and the ones caught, on both the North AND the South, were sent to camps MUCH f'n worse than that damn vacation spot in the Caribbean.

RebelKev Wrote:...and after checking, it was YOU that brought up race and the confederacy.

Soph brought up the confederacy.

GGniner brought up slavery and race. Get your facts straight.

RebelKev Wrote:[quote=Sophandros]The American flag is the flag of this country. The flag of the CSA is NOT.

Quote:So you forgive the use of the American flag. Guess it's easy to change when it fits your agenda.

[quote]This has absolutely nothing to do with slavery. Why did you even bring that up?

No, it has to do with race, and no, I didn't bring it up.

Quote:This has nothing to do with Sherman killing people who were hindering his march. That was not an act of terrorism. Lynching was.

So killing people that get in your way isn't an act of terrorism? Hitler was great at this and I didn't think all those black people his Army encountered on the way were hindering his march in any way.

Quote:Regarding the US-flagged ships that transported slaves, again, this is not about slavery.

So, transporting slaves, in shackles and bounded, wasn't intimidating? Wasn't an act of terrorism? Even I wouldn't go that far and I'm an evil conservative that eats babies and ****.

Quote:The ONLY people in this thread who have even brought up slavery are YOU and GGniner.

And again, no, it's about race and I didn't bring it up.

Quote:Again, the beef with the confederate flag is with its use AFTER the Civil War. Why is it that you guys just ignore that. If you polled people about why they have a problem with the confederate flag, you'll find that what I say is true.

And why did you ignore the comment about state capitals?

What you say is not true, it's also very inconsistent. You seem to say it's ok on one side, the US Flag, and not ok on another.

I didn't see a comment about state capitols. Did you edit after I had read one of your comments? I'll go back and check it out.

I didn't bring up slavery at all. You guys did. The race issue came up AFTER that. I brought up the confederacy because you said something about taking up arms against the US, and I made the observation that people celebrate one group who killed Americans and chastize another who fights for the rights of those ACCUSED of killing Americans. Just an interesting contradiction.

The comment on state capitals and the flying of confederate flags was in a post of mine that you responded to. I take the time to read what you write, and I expect the same courtesy.

uhmump95 Wrote:Get your facts straight.

The day I start taking advice from you is the day I resign as Admin. Since that won't happen, I wouldn't hold my breath too long. It'll only lead to your own demise.

Sophandros Wrote:I didn't bring up slavery at all. You guys did. The race issue came up AFTER that.

Wrong. You led into it. This was the FIRST shot fired:

Quote:However, I don't think that people who take up arms against the United States of America should be celebrated, and I certainly don't think that a flag that was flown by terrorists should be celebrated.

...because the reason you called them terrorists is because the flag was used to intimidate black people. This post was RIGHT before GNiner's.

RebelKev Wrote:

Sophandros Wrote:So, you believe that it's your constitutional right to shoot American soldiers? Really? So why shouldn't the guys in Gitmo receive due process. Afterall, that's what started this tangent.

It was a war, and the ones caught, on both the North AND the South, were sent to camps MUCH f'n worse than that damn vacation spot in the Caribbean.

Two things.

Of course they were. EVERYTHING back then was worse than now.

Anyway, one could argue that one of the northern camps in particular was the absolute worst.

RebelKev Wrote:

Sophandros Wrote:I didn't bring up slavery at all. You guys did. The race issue came up AFTER that.

Wrong. You led into it. This was the FIRST shot fired:

Quote:However, I don't think that people who take up arms against the United States of America should be celebrated, and I certainly don't think that a flag that was flown by terrorists should be celebrated.

...because the reason you called them terrorists is because the flag was used to intimidate black people. This post was RIGHT before GNiner's.

And you'll also note that in my rebuttal to GGniner that this is not about slavery, yet you and him kept on going with that.

Yeah, you bozo's are now arguing about your argument.

CLOSED!

for the record I was not bringing up 'slavery' or whatever in other thread, I bolded this part because it and the article it self refutes the argument being made that the Soviet flag flying in this country is no different than the Confederate flag, and that confederates were 'terrorist' or whatever non-sense...this is what it is a symbol of:

Quote:A civil war is a conflict between two or more factions trying to take over a government. In 1861, Confederate President Jefferson Davis was no more interested in taking over Washington than George Washington was interested in taking over England in 1776. Like Washington, Davis was seeking independence. Therefore, the war of 1861 should be called "The War Between the States" or the "War for Southern Independence."

/end topic.

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