georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:

GGniner Wrote:and Ghandi is exactly the type of fool he is, Gandi would not fight Nazi's and said his people should become nazi's instead of fight them. Oh the irony and modern day parrallels.

You pick and choose like a pro. Every revolution has followed those four steps. So the best you can do to shoot that down is to point to something TOTALLY UNRELATED that Ghandi was wrong about. And he was wrong about a number of things, and certainly was ... shall we say ... crude socially.

I find the irony because I have compared the guy to Ghandi before. He is pro-life and anti-death penalty for different reasons than most, becuse of the "use of force". The same logic behind his pacifism, his ideology blurs reality like Ghandi


Here is my biggest problem with the guy, pandering to 9/11 Truth nuts.

GGniner Wrote:

Quote: * antibiotic testing of seafood in his hometown.
* “personalized medicine in asthma” for the “disadvantaged” of his hometown.
* shore protection measures for his home county.
* cancer center expansion at his county hospital.
* a Cedar bayou created in his home county.
* the “operation” of a dozen other bayous, swamps, lakes, creeks and waterways in his constituency.
* converting a clipper ship to a classroom for his hometown university.
* building new jetties on his local river.
* a shipping channel between his hometown and Corpus Christi Texas.
* “transportation enhancements” for a local theater.
* buying new buses (local and “regional”) for his hometown.
* a replacement rail bridge in his hometown.
* new trolleys in his hometown.
* funding a scholarship in the name of a tax-exempt religious entity.
* “vanadium safety readiness” training for a private research facility in his hometown.
* distance education courses offered through his local university.
* research into shrimp fishing in his hometown.
* marketing of “Wild American Shrimp”

He voted against all. Got anything else? More provocative still ... do you dare to compare that against the other candidates?

Your military "proof" is sketchy at best. All those photos on the IIAF site ... good lord ... that crap looks like it was taken by a 1970's Polaroid! There isn't even ONE recent picture of anything other than Cold War Russian junk that might as well be a Cessna against our air force!

Worse yet -- your other links discredit your own argument!!

Quote:Reliable information on the air force after the Revolution was difficult to obtain, but it seems that by 1987 a fairly large number of aircraft had been cannibalized for spare parts.

Jeez ... talk about making it easy for me.

GGniner Wrote:I find the irony because I have compared the guy to Ghandi before. He is pro-life and anti-death penalty for different reasons than most, becuse of the "use of force". The same logic behind his pacifism, his ideology blurs reality like Ghandi


Here is my biggest problem with the guy, pandering to 9/11 Truth nuts.

This tired sh*t again? Ok -- let's all start b*tching about Tancredo because Endzone supports him. Better still -- let me dig up a truther supporting Fred Thompson or Rudy Giuliani. Using the fringe of a candidate's supporters as your reason for not liking the candidate is ignorant, elitist, naive, irrational, and pathetic.

Paul panders to them, big difference. and EndZone doesnt' beleive the US govt. or the jews attacked us on 911, as oppossed to al-qaeda/islamist. this is a huge difference. He goes on Alex Jones radio show all the time, has said he's convinced the US will attack itself to make a cause for war and 'determined to impose martial law"........in short he's a crank. If he's going to speak to them he better not give credence to their insanity.



as for the budget, so he votes against the budget that has all the pork he requested to be in it. Do you not see what the heck is going on, he's playing both sides of the fence, a hypocrit, i.e. typical politician. He knows full well it will pass, puts pork in it, votes 'no' which is meaningless....then talks up for his Randians that he's a 'fiscal hawk'

tons of pics of Iranian Air Force, some older some present.

http://conflictiran.blogspot.com/2006/05...force.html


strategy page report: http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo...60119.aspx

Quote:Iran’s Air Force is held together by ingenuity a lot of scrounging, and they have also been upgrading their force with modern Russian aircraft. Iranian ingenuity has allowed them to keep their air force as a viable force. This is a force that can be extremely easy to underestimate, at one’s own peril. – Harold C. Hutchison

GGniner Wrote:Paul panders to them, big difference. and EndZone doesnt' beleive the US govt. or the jews attacked us on 911, as oppossed to al-qaeda/islamist. this is a huge difference. He goes on Alex Jones radio show all the time, has said he's convinced the US will attack itself to make a cause for war and 'determined to impose martial law"........in short he's a crank. If he's going to speak to them he better not give credence to their insanity.

as for the budget, so he votes against the budget that has all the pork he requested to be in it. Do you not see what the heck is going on, he's playing both sides of the fence, a hypocrit, i.e. typical politician. He knows full well it will pass, puts pork in it, votes 'no' which is meaningless....then talks up for his Randians that he's a 'fiscal hawk'

The US attacking itself to cause War isn't such a bizarre happening.
Exhibit A: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident
Exhibit B: While not the US attacking itself, the USS Maine is a similar war-causing incident.

Secondly ... show me where he's pandered. He's already publicly stated he believes there was no conspiracy. SHOW ME HIM SAYING OTHERSE. In fact ... he's said it several times. Now if wanting further investigation into why people were allowed to work at ground zero with NO protection whatsoever ... despite working in a KNOWN toxic environment with at LEAST high amounts of asbestos ... makes you a truther ... then sign me up. And while you're at it -- sign most of Manhattan up too, especially those suffering the health consequences of those actions. The EPA KNEW the air quality at ground zero was total **** ... and they said ... NOTHING. The people suffering medical problems now have NO REIMBURSEMENT from the government. That calls for an effing investigation.

from Alex Jones site/radio show that he goes on regularly....and for the record I think they should all avoid lunatics like this like the plague. So any attempt to justify I will not agree with. You do not do anything to lend credence to these people, and a congressman running for Pres. that doesn't call them out on their conspiracies that are this damaging and disrespectful, does just that, pandering

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may...record.htm

basically he accuses the President of being determined to impose Martial Law...with no facts of course, just like his Gulf of Tonkin accussations.

then of course telling the "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" that he would be willing to seek a 'new investigation' and possibly that there was a coverup. I'll leave it at this, this was the Scholars reaction to Paul at this event, video being on youtube.

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?stor...0683039464

Quote:n regards to Rep. Ron Paul, he states twice in the Student Scholars video that he believes that the first 9/11 investigation was one in which there many “cover-ups.” Paul also claimed he “never automatically believes anything the government does when they do an investigation.” Additionally, he has been on the Alex Jones show several times. Ron Paul knows very well that something is very wrong with the official explanation of 9/1l. However, like Dennis Kucinich he cannot look right into our cameras and proclaim “9/11 WAS A SELF INFLICTED WOUND!” Through acknowledging the legitimacy of the 9/11 Truth Movement’s concerns, these candidates are expressing their support for our cause. This is much more than the more mainstream candidates will do. WOAH! Just got a flashback of a “Truther” being escorted out of a Hillary Clinton event by the Secret Service for quietly holding a 9/11 Truth banner.

These two men are our only hope. Think about it folks. THINK.

I think is so hilarious that people nitpick and desperatley try to find something wrong with Ron Paul. I'll ask you to look at your own candidates. Can you honestly say they have never done something they said they wouldnt, or have done something you dont like. This is hilarious. LOOK AT WHO YOU SUPPORT. I'll take Ron Paul over any of those other idiots anyday.

ETSUfan1 Wrote:I think is so hilarious that people nitpick and desperatley try to find something wrong with Ron Paul. I'll ask you to look at your own candidates. Can you honestly say they have never done something they said they wouldnt, or have done something you dont like. This is hilarious. LOOK AT WHO YOU SUPPORT. I'll take Ron Paul over any of those other idiots anyday.

Yeah, the conservatives are waiting for Fred "I've got no platform but I did perform on Law & Order" Thompson to run.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

ETSUfan1 Wrote:I think is so hilarious that people nitpick and desperatley try to find something wrong with Ron Paul. I'll ask you to look at your own candidates. Can you honestly say they have never done something they said they wouldnt, or have done something you dont like. This is hilarious. LOOK AT WHO YOU SUPPORT. I'll take Ron Paul over any of those other idiots anyday.

Yeah, the conservatives are waiting for Fred "I've got no platform but I did perform on Law & Order" Thompson to run.

I would like to get away from the Ron Paul oddessy for a momnet and ask, why are you opposed to an open investigation of the 911 incident where all evidence and theories can be presented in order to reach conclusion that leaves no doubt?

Im not opposed to 9/11 investigation...

Observer Wrote:I would like to get away from the Ron Paul oddessy for a momnet and ask, why are you opposed to an open investigation of the 911 incident where all evidence and theories can be presented in order to reach conclusion that leaves no doubt?

they've already had an investigation, its been proven scientifically that the official story is exactly what happened(i.e. no controlled demolition, fire really does melt steel)......aside from that, its incredibly insulting to the 9/11 families.

Popular Mechanics has shredded these theories to pieces
http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/91...16644.html
Purdue University also did a study and Computer Simulation recently:
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/news/6-15-07WTC.htm

that combined with the fact that the Islamist have been at War with the world since the founding of the religion. There were 400 years of Islamic 'crusades' before any European pushback in the 11th century. If not for the battle of Poiters the world would be a hell hole today. The Middle East is muslim today for the sole reason of islamic crusades....take Albania, in the 1500's the Turks went in and ethinically cleanesed the country and turned it into the first European Islamic country. The Fort Dix plotters were albanians and now we have terrorist that are blonde hair and blue eyed......


full disclosure: In addition to above facts, I have a basic pressupostion that the Federal Govt. is one of the most incompetent institutions in the country that can barely deliver our mail to us. on the contrary, if you think the Govt. is this big, bad, shady and omnipotent power its easy to see how you could lead yourself down the 9/11 Truth footsteps.

I suggest using basic logic however, if you are like the 9/11 Truth movement and think the "Government did it" and are openly telling this theory, I suggest going into hiding asap and taking on a new alias. Because if the Govt. can do that, surely it can track down the people telling the 'truth' about them and have them SILENCED <insert X-Files theme music>

Ron Paul...and I dont think it was an inside job. Ron just thinks their should be an open investigation of why we didnt get the proper intelligence to prevent the attack. Everyone wants to say Ron thinks it was an inside job. Totally bogus...

ETSUfan1 Wrote:Ron Paul...and I dont think it was an inside job. Ron just thinks their should be an open investigation of why we didnt get the proper intelligence to prevent the attack. Everyone wants to say Ron thinks it was an inside job. Totally bogus...

if he would go on Alex Jones radio show or when he meets with scholars for 9/11 Truth, and say exactly that I would believe that. Instead he does just the opposite, along with Dennis Kukcinich, lends credence to their insanity and its no wonder those are the two candidates those groups support.

GGniner Wrote:

Observer Wrote:I would like to get away from the Ron Paul oddessy for a momnet and ask, why are you opposed to an open investigation of the 911 incident where all evidence and theories can be presented in order to reach conclusion that leaves no doubt?

they've already had an investigation, its been proven scientifically that the official story is exactly what happened(i.e. no controlled demolition, fire really does melt steel)......aside from that, its incredibly insulting to the 9/11 families.

Not exactly. Much was left out of the equation. The entire landscape needs to be discussed openly.


Popular Mechanics has shredded these theories to pieces
http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/91...16644.html
Purdue University also did a study and Computer Simulation recently:
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/news/6-15-07WTC.htm

This simply is oot good enough to qualify as a full investigation. It doesn't appear that the doubters are afraid of full disclosure. Why are you?

that combined with the fact that the Islamist have been at War with the world since the founding of the religion. There were 400 years of Islamic 'crusades' before any European pushback in the 11th century. If not for the battle of Poiters the world would be a hell hole today. The Middle East is muslim today for the sole reason of islamic crusades....take Albania, in the 1500's the Turks went in and ethinically cleanesed the country and turned it into the first European Islamic country. The Fort Dix plotters were albanians and now we have terrorist that are blonde hair and blue eyed......


full disclosure: In addition to above facts, I have a basic pressupostion that the Federal Govt. is one of the most incompetent institutions in the country that can barely deliver our mail to us. on the contrary, if you think the Govt. is this big, bad, shady and omnipotent power its easy to see how you could lead yourself down the 9/11 Truth footsteps.

I suggest using basic logic however, if you are like the 9/11 Truth movement and think the "Government did it" and are openly telling this theory, I suggest going into hiding asap and taking on a new alias. Because if the Govt. can do that, surely it can track down the people telling the 'truth' about them and have them SILENCED <insert X-Files theme music>

I am in full agreement that Islam can present a problem, But I am not ready to blame everything from death to taxes on Islam. It doesn't matter what I believe the basic problem is. The only thing that matters is the truth, and we should not be afraid to seek it.

GGniner Wrote:

Observer Wrote:I would like to get away from the Ron Paul oddessy for a momnet and ask, why are you opposed to an open investigation of the 911 incident where all evidence and theories can be presented in order to reach conclusion that leaves no doubt?

they've already had an investigation, its been proven scientifically that the official story is exactly what happened(i.e. no controlled demolition, fire really does melt steel)......aside from that, its incredibly insulting to the 9/11 families.

Not exactly. Much was left out of the equation. The entire landscape needs to be discussed openly.


Popular Mechanics has shredded these theories to pieces
http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/91...16644.html
Purdue University also did a study and Computer Simulation recently:
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/news/6-15-07WTC.htm

This simply is not good enough to qualify as a full investigation. It doesn't appear that the doubters are afraid of full disclosure. Why are you?

that combined with the fact that the Islamist have been at War with the world since the founding of the religion. There were 400 years of Islamic 'crusades' before any European pushback in the 11th century. If not for the battle of Poiters the world would be a hell hole today. The Middle East is muslim today for the sole reason of islamic crusades....take Albania, in the 1500's the Turks went in and ethinically cleanesed the country and turned it into the first European Islamic country. The Fort Dix plotters were albanians and now we have terrorist that are blonde hair and blue eyed......


full disclosure: In addition to above facts, I have a basic pressupostion that the Federal Govt. is one of the most incompetent institutions in the country that can barely deliver our mail to us. on the contrary, if you think the Govt. is this big, bad, shady and omnipotent power its easy to see how you could lead yourself down the 9/11 Truth footsteps.

I suggest using basic logic however, if you are like the 9/11 Truth movement and think the "Government did it" and are openly telling this theory, I suggest going into hiding asap and taking on a new alias. Because if the Govt. can do that, surely it can track down the people telling the 'truth' about them and have them SILENCED <insert X-Files theme music>

I am in full agreement that Islam can present a problem, But I am not ready to blame everything from death to taxes on Islam. It doesn't matter what I believe the basic problem is. The only thing that matters is the truth, and we should not be afraid to seek it.