frogman Wrote:Wake up call.
When I think of Football I think of the SEC as does the rest of the world.
ACC football has always been a joke and was in danger of losing its automatic BCS bid when they decided to raid the big east. Swofford's deal was bad. Miami was slipping before leaving the BE and V.Tech was one Vick brother away from slipping back to nothingness.
Most of the nation thinks of the SEC and Big Ten first and second. Always have, always will. Even ACC fans recognize that. It's part of the reason they, along with the ACC admins, realized a change was needed.
Think Swofford's move was bad? You said the ACC was close to losing its BCS bid. Well it's locked up now, as is larger TV contracts and national exposure. Why? In large part because they expanded the conference! Larger footprint, less intrusion into ACC country via VT switch, more alumni and communities affiliated with the conference... Could it have been done more gracefully? Yes. Would I have preferred other institutions? Yes, and most everyone has their own ideal scenario. But I'd hardly call an action that achieves what it sets out to do a failure.
Quote:BC has never won anything in the BE in BB or FB. Never. In fact, when the BE put three teams in the NCAA final four (an unmatched NCAA record) the only other eilte eight team that could have made it and failed was, you guessed it- Boston College. We could have had four- but noooooo BC messed it up for everybody.
a) BC only made it to the Sweet 16 that year, losing to Memphis State who then beat Oklahoma to reach the Final Four. b) So, making the Sweet 16 isn't even a good accomplishment for you guys? How pious! c) Surely nothing of BC's loss had to do with the other team actually being better, right?
Quote:BC is doing better in the ACC then they have ever done in the BE. VT basketball was a doormat in the BE, they also seem to be killing you guys. The move was good for them.
Again, I'm none of this has anything to do with those squads actually playing well, right? And VT has responded to the move tremendously. Notice their fan support for hoops has increased from 6k per game to 9k since making the move.
Quote: When we think of basketball its time for rethinking.
If you look at the current make up of the conferences, the Big East has 7 NCAA title holders. G'town (1), Syr (1), Uconn(2), Villanova(1), Marquette (1), Louisville (2) and Cincy (2).
The ACC has four title holders North Carolina (4), Duke (3), NC State (2) and Maryland (1)
Big east has 7 former champions. The ACC has 4. Heck, the SEC has 3 Fla (1), Kentucky (6) and Ark (1). That right. Kentucky by itself is only one NCAA crown short of Duke and North Carolina combined.
Of course, UCLA has 12 NCAA crowns by itself. That's more than the entire ACC (10) or the Big East (10).
Good for Kentucky and UCLA! Clearly the Cats fans showed how level headed they are this past season, don't you agree! ;-) All of which means what, exactly? Florida proved you don't have to be a hoops superpower to win the title, and past performance can only take you so far. Ask the folks at San Francisco how they live off their past. Going forward, however, is another matter, and the ACC schools have as much in terms of resources to offer student athletes as the BE. UVA and Wake have tremendous support, facilities and committments from their admins, much moreso than UF.
Quote: The big east added champions and big names and big markets in BB in Louisville, Cincy, Depaul and marquette. Home grown teams have revived like Georgetown and we have upstarts like West Virginia- ask Wake Forest and Chris Paul about West Virginia three-point shooting.
Again, what's this mean going forward. Oh by the way, with all those hoops powers you mentioned do you really think WVU will sustain itself as a title contender, particularly now that Beilein has left? Perhaps you think every BE team should be in the top 25?
Quote:So just what makes ACC basketball so special? Yea, there have been a few great years for two of your teams. But those years, Like UM football, have come and gone.
Permanently?! Well then, I guess there's no need to actually play the games.
Cmon kids, lets pack up and go home. Clearly we're THAT inferior!
Quote:North Carolina was impressive this year overall, but this was a down year for the ACC in both FB and BB. How many down years does it take before people say your conference sucks? You were supposed to be the superconference. What happened?
I thought you said we sucked? Which is it - Super conference or sucks? Cuase if the ACC just sucks then you should have no trouble not regarding them as a super conference, right?
Quote:The BE had a great year in FB and not to shabby in BB frankly, because we work hard. V Tech football was built in the BE. Now W. Vir and USF are being built under BE ethics.
Yes, the BE had a great year. Let's see if it continues. And if the football member wish to retain the current structure.
Quote: Boston College BB is one Dudley away from returning to being Boston College, the founding member BE team that never even won the BE tournament. Not once in over 25 years.
And the BE is two football coaches away from potential mediocrity. Further, I don't think the ACC is counting on BC becoming the next USC.
Quote: Look, only the ACC fans are clamoring over the ACC. As a Big East fan. I'm getting over the raid because it's looking like the ACC shot itself in the foot and got rid of some BE teams that were on their way down anyways.
Which explains why some BE fans continue to spend time worrying about the state of the ACC...
Quote:Northeastern kids are no longer looking to play in the ACC like Kenny Anderson, Mulbury and a host of others did. They can now look at the BE, Madison Square Garden and more NCAA title holders than any other conference. The BE upgraded in BB.
Wait, I thought you were suggesting the BE had some great history. What kind of statement is this, as it belittles the BE. What, you think those kids didn't see the BE in their own back yard, watching the grat SU-Georgetown rivalries on CBS? And by the way, the BE added USF hoops and now plays even les of a round robin schedule then the ACC. the Su fan in me is fearful of that killing some great rivalries.
Quote:ACC football is not going to outrecruit the SEC in the south.
By firing it's coach, UM is back to ground one and has to build a program in talent rich Florida competing with Fla. State, Fla. and now USF- which is also in a legit BCS conference.
It doesn't need to outrecruit the SEC, it simly needs to remain competitive in the national scene. Staying at nine members as the BE possibly moves to 12 for football, as Miami wanted to do, would've killed the ACC.
Quote:P.S. no ACC FB team finished last year in the top 12 and probably won't start this year in the top 12. The BE had three that finished in the top 12.
Tell me again why I'm thinking of the ACC in football?
From my perspective it reads like an obsession. Or Schadenfreude.
If this was only about improving football why didn't the ACC go Miami-VT-WVU/Louisville? If this was only about hoops why not leave Miami and get Louisville or Pitt? Because there's more to it than just those sports if you study the make up of the institutions and the existing power conferences.
Quote:Swofford gave up BB for FB and now has neither.
Yes, clearly he was acting on his own...
Quote: Honestly, as a Big East fan, I bore with debating ACC folks. You have fallen below the BE radar. I looking for much better fish to fry. I'm moving on. See ya.
Thanks for playing and for your interest in the ACC. Have a nice day.