Sufferin succotash!

RandyMc Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

RandyMc Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:GA, you are such a happy clapper. People can be fans and still be critical of the coaching staff. The sun does not shine out of TW's butt. He turned around the season becuase we're playing cream puffs, not necessarily because we're performing better.

Beating a bunch of creampuffs is nothing to brag about.

Beat some BCS schools in the OOC, and then start bragging.

If you think this is fun you should read this guy's thoughts on politics.

I like clapping happy.

And just like your politics, you embrace mediocrity.

Ha! I knew you didn't have me on "ignore".

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

TigerBill Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Gray Avenger Wrote:

RCM1029 Wrote:

Gray Avenger Wrote:

Dak10 Wrote:TW's contract expires at the end of next season right? Or is it the next? Anyway, if we beat Troy in NO and then win our conference championship the next year I will eat crow at publicly apologize to everyone of you. I doubt that happens though, and I know that if we lose to Troy and once again don't compete for out conference championship and settle for another NO bowl you people will still have your heads up TW's butt. Anyway, if Tommy can't do either of those things his contract doesn't need to be renewed.

You are entitled to your opinion, as stupid as it might be.

I wish I was surprised by that...as stupid as it might be.

Get on the wagon or get out of the way.

GA, you are such a happy clapper. People can be fans and still be critical of the coaching staff. The sun does not shine out of TW's butt. He turned around the season becuase we're playing cream puffs, not necessarily because we're performing better.

Beating a bunch of creampuffs is nothing to brag about.

Beat some BCS schools in the OOC, and then start bragging.

GA- Where do I sign up to be an official Happy Clapper? It just looks like so much more fun than these doom and gloomers.

It sounds like you'd like to move down to the Sun Belt so the football team would win more games every year.

Accepting mediocrity is counterproductive.

Ya know, being happy is a wonderful thing. Being positive, being an optimist. You might try it sometime, except happiness makes it hard to be miserable. I'm happy we are bowl eligible. But, like so many others, you offer no alternatives, you merely criticize.

Well, not me. I'm too happy for that.

Dak10 Wrote:Getting at least top 50 recruiting classes.

I am not sure where this plays into being a "good coach"-

winning is the measure of success...not a Rivals ranking

If we had a top 50 recruiting class and went 6-6 or 7-5 would you feel better than you do with this team going 6-6 or 7-5?

tigerkeep Wrote:

FtWorthTiger Wrote:I always hold my head up high with my TIGERS, but I don't want to have to back down from smack talk with other fans anymore.

Jeff

i am always proud to be a tiger fan, and i never back down from smack talk on this board or anywhere else.

It is really hard to talk smack when you don't have anything to back it up with(ala UAB for the last 7 years until this year). It makes it easier to do when you have bullets in your gun, otherwise you just look stupid.

Two Signs of good Coaching? Are you serious? We are just playing weaker teams. You can feed that to some other people. We are going bowling by beating 5 1A teams with a combined record of 17-38, and a 2A team. We should get a 7th win Sat. versus mighty 1-10 SMU. That is not great coaching. That is a very soft schedule. Factually the easiest in the country I might add. I will support the staff no matter who is the coach or is on the team but the reality is not that it is good coaching. It is the benefit of one of the easiest scedules I have ever seen. RIP could have won 6 with this.....I am not a miserable, I just happen to live in reality.

onetiger Wrote:We are just playing weaker teams. You can feed that crap to some others but, you have got to be out of your mind...

He's not out of his mind, he just has a different opinion than you. For what it's worth, I agree with some of what you're saying. However, I think the team has shown a lot of progress since the MTSU debacle and a bulk of the credit has to go to the coaching staff.

onetiger Wrote:I just happen to live in reality.

That's in Texas near Lubbock, isn't it?

mphsfan Wrote:

onetiger Wrote:I just happen to live in reality.

That's in Texas near Lubbock, isn't it?

Actually a little west of Buckshort however if you pass Toadsuck Arkansas you have gone to far?

Recruiting has A LOT to do with being a good coach. If Calipari were a football guy and our football coach we'd be in a BCS bowl every other year and contending for a National Championship this year. Granted he has FedEx Forum and not the Liberty Bowl, but Calipari would be pushing for a new facility, and is such a good talker he would be able to spin it so that they are wanting to play in the Liberty Bowl. If TW were a basketball guy and our basketball coach we'd be getting kicked out of the NIT in the first round every year. Recruiting mean a ton and TW doesn't know how to do it. That is a sign that he isn't a good coach.

mphsfan Wrote:

onetiger Wrote:I just happen to live in reality.

That's in Texas near Lubbock, isn't it?

Have you ever been to Lubbock, there is no such thing as reality anywhere near there.

Gray Avenger Wrote:(1) Winning close games

(2) Teams improve as the season progresses

(1) What's your definition of "close games"?
Tommy is 7-8 in games decided by 3 points or less, 10-16 in games decided by 6 points or less and 14-20 in games decided by 8 points or less.

(2) Not sure how you quantify improving as the season progresses.
Breaking the season in to thirds, Tommy has 14 wins in games 1-4, 11 wins in games 5-8, and 15 wins in games 9-13.
Small sample size makes this argument hard to prove either way. But even the most optimistic 14-11-17 result doesn't show that the teams "improve as the season progresses"

TigerBill Wrote:

Dak10 Wrote:TW's contract expires at the end of next season right? Or is it the next? Anyway, if we beat Troy in NO and then win our conference championship the next year I will eat crow at publicly apologize to everyone of you. I doubt that happens though, and I know that if we lose to Troy and once again don't compete for out conference championship and settle for another NO bowl you people will still have your heads up TW's butt. Anyway, if Tommy can't do either of those things his contract doesn't need to be renewed.

So you're willing to allow recruiting to suffer for a few years until TW's contract runs out, correct? Then go through the 3-4 years after that before the new recruits from the super-duper new all-star coach who can't wait to come here with all of our advantages get settled in and matured. Okay. So, you're willing to be bad for the next 5-6 years, right? Because after all that further losing, THEN we'll really be good. No more 7 or 8 win seasons for us, no sirree, we'll be competing for championships and winning 9 or 10 games, guaranteed.

Or maybe you are the one willing to pony up the 2.5 million to get rid of our losing coach now? If so, then we will only be bad for the next 3-4 years, because obviously the new coach is going to need all new players, since these stink.

BUT...but if we somehow jump through all of the hoops you've listed, then, well, okay, you'll admit that maybe you were wrong. You doubt it will happen, but if it does, you'll admit it. Lucky us. Just so long as you don't have to support this coaching staff until they have fulfilled your list of conditions; God forbid you should have to do that.

Well, I DO support this staff. You say that makes my head up TW's butt? Interesting. Negative stuff is okay, that just means you care. But positives? Hey, you've got your head up the coach's butt.

This board is full of crap about people not allowing negative opinions, questioning fanhood, blah-blah. But whoa! Don't be positive, that's just not politically correct. Can't have that, no way. If you say something good and positive you must be an idiot or something.

Fortunately, when I read that stuff, I consider the source and move on.

there are two equally moronic options being presented.

1) Fire West and pay off his contract

2) Extend his contract for three more years at the current terms.


how about this one


3) Extend his contract but make the buyout pretty low after the current guaranteed years, if we show real progress then renogiatiate after next year..... this would keep the "he is not gonna be there" argument off the table and would not lock the school into another 4.5 million + commitment.

BinghamptonNed Wrote:

TigerBill Wrote:

Dak10 Wrote:

there are two equally moronic options being presented.

1) Fire West and pay off his contract

2) Extend his contract for three more years at the current terms.


how about this one


3) Extend his contract but make the buyout pretty low after the current guaranteed years, if we show real progress then renogiatiate after next year..... this would keep the "he is not gonna be there" argument off the table and would not lock the school into another 4.5 million + commitment.

Since I haven't expressed either opinion I'm not sure I'm the one to answer this, but in for a penny in for a pound, I guess.

5 years ago if you had told me that we would go to bowls 4 out of the next 5 years, would I have been happy? Yes.

Would I have asked who we beat to get there? No.

If you answered in reverse order, then we have such a differing opinion on what this school can realistically accomplish that there is no point to further discussion.

Having said that, I think we are now at a point to raise the level of expectations going into the future. But extensions really don't come under my purview, because I am not the one who is financing the deal, nor am I the one who will have to pay for it if our coach has to be bought out.

So, as irritating as some may find it, I'll just have to be happy with a winning record and a bowl game. I know how disappointing that sounds, but I can't help it. I do think your solution is workable Ned, if such a thing could be arranged. I'm not sure it could, but what do I know?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being happy about this season. My concern is that we need to take it to the next level if we want to make the cut in the next BCS shuffle. Going 7-5 with this schedule is not saying much.

In order to get where we want to be, we NEED to be a power in this conference. The more time goes by with us being a mediocre at best football team, the more possible it is for us to get left behind once again.

We can all argue until we're blue in the face (like HLT) but we are still not where we need to be. If I see improvement next year, I'll be happy. My only concern is are we moving in the right direction?

At the start of this year it just looked like a repeat of last season. We have won more games, but how good are those teams? As I've said before, I need to wait until I see more before I can just be a happy clapper.

All I want is to see steady improvement.

you guys slay me. It is much more difficult to build a football dynasty than a basketball one. 4 bowls in 5 years says we are getting there--even if we are moving a little slower than some people would like. TW went so far as to say he rebuilt the offense because we could not beat UAB. We have the opp to be 6-2 in conf--we should be measured ( for now) against our conf. You cannot compare us to BCS schools--

If you are so unhappy---what would you complainers propose we do to get to where you THINK we should be? I am willing to listen to your arguements, but when all you do is gripe it destroys your credibility with me. Offer sound thoughts and production--not just the sky is falling rants.

georgiatiger Wrote:

mphsfan Wrote:

Gray Avenger Wrote:

Dak10 Wrote:TW's contract expires at the end of next season right? Or is it the next? Anyway, if we beat Troy in NO and then win our conference championship the next year I will eat crow at publicly apologize to everyone of you. I doubt that happens though, and I know that if we lose to Troy and once again don't compete for out conference championship and settle for another NO bowl you people will still have your heads up TW's butt. Anyway, if Tommy can't do either of those things his contract doesn't need to be renewed.

You are entitled to your opinion, as stupid as it might be.

Read that with a Sean Connery accent and just try not to laugh.

It's funnier if you use the Sylvestor the Cat accent.

Sean is looking old. I swear he looks in that pic like Henry Fonda in "On Golden Pond" right before he croaked

Gray Avenger Wrote:(1) Winning close games

(2) Teams improve as the season progresses

For once GA, I totally agree with you and I think you can add to that perserverence....Let keep it rolling this weekend

calfan1 Wrote:

georgiatiger Wrote:

mphsfan Wrote:

Gray Avenger Wrote:

Dak10 Wrote:TW's contract expires at the end of next season right? Or is it the next? Anyway, if we beat Troy in NO and then win our conference championship the next year I will eat crow at publicly apologize to everyone of you. I doubt that happens though, and I know that if we lose to Troy and once again don't compete for out conference championship and settle for another NO bowl you people will still have your heads up TW's butt. Anyway, if Tommy can't do either of those things his contract doesn't need to be renewed.

You are entitled to your opinion, as stupid as it might be.

Read that with a Sean Connery accent and just try not to laugh.

It's funnier if you use the Sylvestor the Cat accent.

Sean is looking old. I swear he looks in that pic like Henry Fonda in "On Golden Pond" right before he croaked

Hanoi Jane looks that way now, too.

Two signs of Good Coaching...

"You are now leaving Mississippi"

"Welcome to Memphis"