cuseroc Wrote:I watched at least 3 Boise games, but I dont think I saw a BYU game that year accept the bowl game. I could never find their games on tv. Then again, I dont need to see any SEC games to know that they are the best conference. I dont need to see BYU play to know that Boise was the better team. I just have to look at who BYU and TCU lost to. Really good teams dont lose 2 games to "inferior" opponents.

you don't actually have to watch the games to know who's better?

doesn't get much more retarded than that...

[quote=CollegeCard]
Wobert, I must have missed the cuddly frogs in Omaha last June for the College World Series. Were you guys hiding, I didn't see any of your games. What happened?


We still have eliminated you 2x. You eliminated us 1x.
You have us in basketball titles. We have won 0. Ul has won 1?
How many national titles (football) has ul won? 0? You would think that ul (bcs) would have won 1 or 2. TCU football has 3 national titles. Though 1 was disputed.

Fort Worth (proper/the city) is way bigger/has more population than the city of louisville.

CatsClaw Wrote:Boise State was undefeated, finished ranked higher then BYU and played in a BCS bowl, and beat a Top 10 team. Case closed.

By the way, I see EvilVodka has run over to the MWC complaining about our thread.

http://www.mwcboard.com/www/forums/index...opic=11680

Why do you care and why do MWC fans care what the Big East thinks? We have proven our case on the field. We have our BCS bid, the MWC doesn't. Case closed.

Unless you're afraid of debating MWC fans, what's the problem? Are you saying that a thread created discussing whether the MWC is worthy for a BCS autobid shouldn't allow MWC fans to debate as well?

And from a historical standpoint, you certainly haven't proven anything more than the MWC has, which is proven with on-the-field results, not just for 2007, but for the entire history of college football

...and it certainly isn't on-the-field results that created a path to BCS bowls for programs like UConn, South Florida, Louisville, and Cincinnati

EvilVodka1 Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:I watched at least 3 Boise games, but I dont think I saw a BYU game that year accept the bowl game. I could never find their games on tv. Then again, I dont need to see any SEC games to know that they are the best conference. I dont need to see BYU play to know that Boise was the better team. I just have to look at who BYU and TCU lost to. Really good teams dont lose 2 games to "inferior" opponents.

you don't actually have to watch the games to know who's better?

doesn't get much more retarded than that...

Wow. I guess you had to watch all of the West Virginia games to know that West Virginia was better than Marshall. A guy like you would have to actually watch Tulane's games to realize that LSU is the better team, right? Maybe the only way that you can decide who is better between Alabama and UAB is to actually watch their games.

cuseroc Wrote:

EvilVodka1 Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:I watched at least 3 Boise games, but I dont think I saw a BYU game that year accept the bowl game. I could never find their games on tv. Then again, I dont need to see any SEC games to know that they are the best conference. I dont need to see BYU play to know that Boise was the better team. I just have to look at who BYU and TCU lost to. Really good teams dont lose 2 games to "inferior" opponents.

you don't actually have to watch the games to know who's better?

doesn't get much more retarded than that...

Wow. I guess you had to watch all of the West Virginia games to know that West Virginia was better than Marshall. A guy like you would have to actually watch Tulane's games to realize that LSU is the better team, right? Maybe the only way that you can decide who is better between Alabama and UAB is to actually watch their games.

Funny stuff... But honestly the whole point was comparing a 11-2 BYU (who had a 10 game win streak) vs 13-0 Boise St (who had a 13 game win streak) and your moving it to 11-2 West Virginia vs 3-9 Marshall or 4-8 Tulane vs 12-2 LSU or 7-6 Alabama vs 2-10 UAB. It's not quite the same... How about a 11-2 West Virginia vs 12-1 Hawaii or 12-1 Kansas vs 11-2 USC? Did you pick a 4-7 Pitt to beat a 10-1 West Virginia in 2007? I know I sure didn't...

E-zone Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

EvilVodka1 Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:I watched at least 3 Boise games, but I dont think I saw a BYU game that year accept the bowl game. I could never find their games on tv. Then again, I dont need to see any SEC games to know that they are the best conference. I dont need to see BYU play to know that Boise was the better team. I just have to look at who BYU and TCU lost to. Really good teams dont lose 2 games to "inferior" opponents.

you don't actually have to watch the games to know who's better?

doesn't get much more retarded than that...

Wow. I guess you had to watch all of the West Virginia games to know that West Virginia was better than Marshall. A guy like you would have to actually watch Tulane's games to realize that LSU is the better team, right? Maybe the only way that you can decide who is better between Alabama and UAB is to actually watch their games.

Funny stuff... But honestly the whole point was comparing a 11-2 BYU (who had a 10 game win streak) vs 13-0 Boise St (who had a 13 game win streak) and your moving it to 11-2 West Virginia vs 3-9 Marshall or 4-8 Tulane vs 12-2 LSU or 7-6 Alabama vs 2-10 UAB. It's not quite the same... How about a 11-2 West Virginia vs 12-1 Hawaii or 12-1 Kansas vs 11-2 USC? Did you pick a 4-7 Pitt to beat a 10-1 West Virginia in 2007? I know I sure didn't...

The point is that you dont have to watch every team to have a pretty good feeling as to who is the better team. If you want to criticize me for saying that, then you better be willing to criticize the folks who vote in the coaches polls. The fact that they are coaches and they are actually either coaching when most games are going on or preparing their team for its next game tells me that they are not able to watch other teams that they are voting for.

A team can look like a national champion in one game, and look like crap in the next game against inferior competition. To say that someone is "retarded" for deciding which team is better because they consider who that team has beaten, and who the other team lost to, is, well, "retarded" in itself.

Thats why teams either drop in the pols when they lose, or they rise when they win. How many folks do you think are actually compiling stats for every team they vote for, against every team that they have played?

Based on your stats that you like to use to argue who the better team is, you would not have chosen Pitt to beat WV would you? So watching a team play has no more bearing than trying to use stats. I watched Pitt quite a few times and I watched WV quite a few times, and I knew that Pitt was improving, but I still thought WV would have the edge.

So the best way to measure a team, imo, and most everyone else is to look at who beat who. In this case, Boise beat everyone that they played in 2006. BYU did not.

Almost 5 pages to answer a question that can be answered in a word....

"Has the MWC done enough to garner an autobid ?"

No...OK in two words HELL NO.

The next autobid should go to CUSA, not MWC.
CJ

cuseroc Wrote:So the best way to measure a team, imo, and most everyone else is to look at who beat who. In this case, Boise beat everyone that they played in 2006. BYU did not.

Hawaii in 2007

CardinalJim Wrote:Almost 5 pages to answer a question that can be answered in a word....

"Has the MWC done enough to garner an autobid ?"

No...OK in two words HELL NO.

The next autobid should go to CUSA, not MWC.
CJ

I agree, the MWC is not quite there yet but they are pretty close IMO. They need to have more than 1 team finish ranked each year on a more regularly. But their is the catch, in 2007 BYU finish ranked AP #14, USA #15, but 9-4 Air Force, 9-4 Utah, and 9-4 New Mexico did not finished ranked. Air Force blew their chance to be ranked, they took 21-0 lead over California with 12:08 left in the 2nd quarter, only to give up 14 points to California by half after California put in their back-up QB. In the second half Air Force ended up kicking FG while California scored TD's. I not sure a 10-3 Air Force would have finished ranked in the top 25, but the loss and finishing 9-4 only gained them 2 votes in the AP (on side note a 7-6 California finished with 8 votes in the USA Poll). There was 3 Non-Auto teams that finished with 10 wins yet did not finished ranked in the top 25. The cards are stacked the Non-Auto teams, labeling, recruiting, Bowls, TV contracts, budgets, and ect...
The same things effect the Big East to a degree... Bowls- Gator/Sun ($2.25 million/$1.9 million), then it drops down to Meineke Car Care ($750,000), International ($750,000), Texas ($500,000), and Papajohns.com ($300,000). The Gator and Sun Bowls are nice Bowls, but Notre Dame could get the invite instead of a Big East teams, since the Big East and Notre Dame are both tied to the Bowls. IMO, I would love to see a Big East #2 pick (after BC$) vs the MWC #1 pick in the Vegas Bowl. I've heard the Las Vegas Bowl is close to $1.2 million in payout.
2006 it was $950,000; http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/f...outs_x.htm
I would think most Big East fans would not mind traveling to Las Wages for a Bowl game. Or the same match up in the Insight Bowl, who right now has the 5th pick after BC$ Bowls are filled of the Big 12 (2007 was 6-6 Oklahoma St) and Big 10 (was a 7-5 Indiana). Sorry but I a 9-3 UConn or 9-3 Cincinnati vs a 10-2 BYU would be a better match up for the Insight Bowl.

E-zone Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:So the best way to measure a team, imo, and most everyone else is to look at who beat who. In this case, Boise beat everyone that they played in 2006. BYU did not.

Hawaii in 2007

Well, nice try anyway.So who did hawaii beat in 07? No one that I recall. Even Boise was down in 2007. Hawaii was untested until they met up with Georgia. Their wins were not on the level of Boise 06. I would even say that BYU 06 and 07 was a better team. To me, Utah 04 and Boise 06 were on a level all their own, with Boise getting a slight edge. There has not been another non bcs team that I would put on that level.

E-zone Wrote:

CardinalJim Wrote:Almost 5 pages to answer a question that can be answered in a word....

"Has the MWC done enough to garner an autobid ?"

No...OK in two words HELL NO.

The next autobid should go to CUSA, not MWC.
CJ

I agree, the MWC is not quite there yet but they are pretty close IMO. They need to have more than 1 team finish ranked each year on a more regularly. But their is the catch, in 2007 BYU finish ranked AP #14, USA #15, but 9-4 Air Force, 9-4 Utah, and 9-4 New Mexico did not finished ranked. Air Force blew their chance to be ranked, they took 21-0 lead over California with 12:08 left in the 2nd quarter, only to give up 14 points to California by half after California put in their back-up QB. In the second half Air Force ended up kicking FG while California scored TD's. I not sure a 10-3 Air Force would have finished ranked in the top 25, but the loss and finishing 9-4 only gained them 2 votes in the AP (on side note a 7-6 California finished with 8 votes in the USA Poll). There was 3 Non-Auto teams that finished with 10 wins yet did not finished ranked in the top 25. The cards are stacked the Non-Auto teams, labeling, recruiting, Bowls, TV contracts, budgets, and ect...
The same things effect the Big East to a degree... Bowls- Gator/Sun ($2.25 million/$1.9 million), then it drops down to Meineke Car Care ($750,000), International ($750,000), Texas ($500,000), and Papajohns.com ($300,000). The Gator and Sun Bowls are nice Bowls, but Notre Dame could get the invite instead of a Big East teams, since the Big East and Notre Dame are both tied to the Bowls. IMO, I would love to see a Big East #2 pick (after BC$) vs the MWC #1 pick in the Vegas Bowl. I've heard the Las Vegas Bowl is close to $1.2 million in payout.
2006 it was $950,000; http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/f...outs_x.htm
I would think most Big East fans would not mind traveling to Las Wages for a Bowl game. Or the same match up in the Insight Bowl, who right now has the 5th pick after BC$ Bowls are filled of the Big 12 (2007 was 6-6 Oklahoma St) and Big 10 (was a 7-5 Indiana). Sorry but I a 9-3 UConn or 9-3 Cincinnati vs a 10-2 BYU would be a better match up for the Insight Bowl.

I actually think that sounds pretty good. I would rather send our #2 to a FL bowl, but if we can't do better than the Gator and their idiotic frontman, then a 'duel in the desert' would be a good replacement.

Robert Wrote:[quote=CollegeCard]
Wobert, I must have missed the cuddly frogs in Omaha last June for the College World Series. Were you guys hiding, I didn't see any of your games. What happened?


We still have eliminated you 2x. You eliminated us 1x.
You have us in basketball titles. We have won 0. Ul has won 1?
How many national titles (football) has ul won? 0? You would think that ul (bcs) would have won 1 or 2. TCU football has 3 national titles. Though 1 was disputed.

Fort Worth (proper/the city) is way bigger/has more population than the city of louisville.

2 NC's in bball

cuseroc Wrote:

E-zone Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:So the best way to measure a team, imo, and most everyone else is to look at who beat who. In this case, Boise beat everyone that they played in 2006. BYU did not.

Hawaii in 2007

Well, nice try anyway.So who did hawaii beat in 07? No one that I recall. Even Boise was down in 2007. Hawaii was untested until they met up with Georgia. Their wins were not on the level of Boise 06. I would even say that BYU 06 and 07 was a better team. To me, Utah 04 and Boise 06 were on a level all their own, with Boise getting a slight edge. There has not been another non bcs team that I would put on that level.

Each to their own I guess;

Utah 2004-
Utah 41 Texas A&M 21 (+20)
Utah 23 @Arizona 6 (+17)
Utah 48 @Utah St 6 (+42)
Utah 49 Air Force 35 (+14)
Utah 28 @New Mexico 7 (+21)
Utah 46 North Carolina 16 (+30)
Utah 63 UNLV 28 (+35)
Utah 51 @San Diego St 28 (+23)
Utah 63 Colorado St 31 (+32)
Utah 45 @Wyoming 28 (+17)
Utah 52 BYU 21 (+31)
Utah 35 vs Pittsburgh 7 (+28)

Boise St 2006-
Boise St 45 Sacramento St 0 (+45)
Boise St 42 Oregon St 14 (+28)
Boise St 17 @Wyoming 10 (+7)
Boise St 41 Hawaii 34 (+7)
Boise St 36 @Utah 3 (+33)
Boise St 55 La Tech 14 (+41)
Boise St 40 @New Mexico St 28 (+12)
Boise St 42 @Idaho 26 (+16)
Boise St 45 Fresno St 21 (+24)
Boise St 23 @San Jose St 20 (+3)
Boise St 49 Utah St 10 (+39)
Boise St 38 @Nevada 7 (+31)
Boise St 43 vs Oklahoma 42 (+1)

D1AA Teams
BC$ Teams

E-zone Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

E-zone Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:So the best way to measure a team, imo, and most everyone else is to look at who beat who. In this case, Boise beat everyone that they played in 2006. BYU did not.

Hawaii in 2007

Well, nice try anyway.So who did hawaii beat in 07? No one that I recall. Even Boise was down in 2007. Hawaii was untested until they met up with Georgia. Their wins were not on the level of Boise 06. I would even say that BYU 06 and 07 was a better team. To me, Utah 04 and Boise 06 were on a level all their own, with Boise getting a slight edge. There has not been another non bcs team that I would put on that level.

Each to their own I guess;

Utah 2004-
Utah 41 Texas A&M 21 (+20)
Utah 23 @Arizona 6 (+17)
Utah 48 @Utah St 6 (+42)
Utah 49 Air Force 35 (+14)
Utah 28 @New Mexico 7 (+21)
Utah 46 North Carolina 16 (+30)
Utah 63 UNLV 28 (+35)
Utah 51 @San Diego St 28 (+23)
Utah 63 Colorado St 31 (+32)
Utah 45 @Wyoming 28 (+17)
Utah 52 BYU 21 (+31)
Utah 35 vs Pittsburgh 7 (+28)

Boise St 2006-
Boise St 45 Sacramento St 0 (+45)
Boise St 42 Oregon St 14 (+28)
Boise St 17 @Wyoming 10 (+7)
Boise St 41 Hawaii 34 (+7)
Boise St 36 @Utah 3 (+33)
Boise St 55 La Tech 14 (+41)
Boise St 40 @New Mexico St 28 (+12)
Boise St 42 @Idaho 26 (+16)
Boise St 45 Fresno St 21 (+24)
Boise St 23 @San Jose St 20 (+3)
Boise St 49 Utah St 10 (+39)
Boise St 38 @Nevada 7 (+31)
Boise St 43 vs Oklahoma 42 (+1)

D1AA Teams
BC$ Teams

You seem to give equal weight to all bcs teams. Boise 2006 only played 2 bcs teams, while Utah 2004 played 4. Those 4 bcs teams that Utah played won a combined 24 games that season, while the 2 bcs teams that Boise beat won 21 games. I would still give Boise the ever so slight of an edge.

CardinalJim Wrote:Almost 5 pages to answer a question that can be answered in a word....

"Has the MWC done enough to garner an autobid ?"

No...OK in two words HELL NO.

The next autobid should go to CUSA, not MWC.
CJ

The next autobid should go to CUSA? : What have you been smoking?

cuseroc Wrote:

E-zone Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:So the best way to measure a team, imo, and most everyone else is to look at who beat who. In this case, Boise beat everyone that they played in 2006. BYU did not.

Hawaii in 2007

Well, nice try anyway.So who did hawaii beat in 07? No one that I recall. Even Boise was down in 2007. Hawaii was untested until they met up with Georgia. Their wins were not on the level of Boise 06. I would even say that BYU 06 and 07 was a better team. To me, Utah 04 and Boise 06 were on a level all their own, with Boise getting a slight edge. There has not been another non bcs team that I would put on that level.

How about Usm? Usm always thinks (fans) they are better than everyone.

Robert Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

E-zone Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:So the best way to measure a team, imo, and most everyone else is to look at who beat who. In this case, Boise beat everyone that they played in 2006. BYU did not.

Hawaii in 2007

Well, nice try anyway.So who did hawaii beat in 07? No one that I recall. Even Boise was down in 2007. Hawaii was untested until they met up with Georgia. Their wins were not on the level of Boise 06. I would even say that BYU 06 and 07 was a better team. To me, Utah 04 and Boise 06 were on a level all their own, with Boise getting a slight edge. There has not been another non bcs team that I would put on that level.

How about Usm? Usm always thinks (fans) they are better than everyone.

Are you still on this USM thing? What could have possibly made you think that I am a USM fan or that I even care about USM? Or a fan of Cusa for that matter? Do you realize how stupid you are? Is the air that thin out where you live?

Once again since you seem to be a little special, I root for Syracuse S-Y-R-A-C-U-S-E, first and the BE second. My name might be a clue for you.

EZONE, I hope you guys have better representation for the MWC than this guy.

cuseroc Wrote:

Robert Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

E-zone Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:So the best way to measure a team, imo, and most everyone else is to look at who beat who. In this case, Boise beat everyone that they played in 2006. BYU did not.

Hawaii in 2007

Well, nice try anyway.So who did hawaii beat in 07? No one that I recall. Even Boise was down in 2007. Hawaii was untested until they met up with Georgia. Their wins were not on the level of Boise 06. I would even say that BYU 06 and 07 was a better team. To me, Utah 04 and Boise 06 were on a level all their own, with Boise getting a slight edge. There has not been another non bcs team that I would put on that level.

How about Usm? Usm always thinks (fans) they are better than everyone.

Are you still on this USM thing? What could have possibly made you think that I am a USM fan or that I even care about USM? Or a fan of Cusa for that matter? Do you realize how stupid you are? Is the air that thin out where you live?

Once again since you seem to be a little special, I root for Syracuse S-Y-R-A-C-U-S-E, first and the BE second. My name might be a clue for you.

EZONE, I hope you guys have better representation for the MWC than this guy.

I didnt say you where a usm fan. I just said '' how about usm.''

Robert Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

Robert Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

E-zone Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:So the best way to measure a team, imo, and most everyone else is to look at who beat who. In this case, Boise beat everyone that they played in 2006. BYU did not.

Hawaii in 2007

Well, nice try anyway.So who did hawaii beat in 07? No one that I recall. Even Boise was down in 2007. Hawaii was untested until they met up with Georgia. Their wins were not on the level of Boise 06. I would even say that BYU 06 and 07 was a better team. To me, Utah 04 and Boise 06 were on a level all their own, with Boise getting a slight edge. There has not been another non bcs team that I would put on that level.

How about Usm? Usm always thinks (fans) they are better than everyone.

Are you still on this USM thing? What could have possibly made you think that I am a USM fan or that I even care about USM? Or a fan of Cusa for that matter? Do you realize how stupid you are? Is the air that thin out where you live?

Once again since you seem to be a little special, I root for Syracuse S-Y-R-A-C-U-S-E, first and the BE second. My name might be a clue for you.

EZONE, I hope you guys have better representation for the MWC than this guy.

I didnt say you where a usm fan. I just said '' how about usm.''

Oh, I gotcha. You were basically saying that USM fans think that they shoulb be in that conversation of best non bcs programs. I apologize.