NIU007 Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

NIU007 Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Ninerfan1 Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:Didn't invent DOS.
Didn't invent Windows.
Didn't invent word processing, spreadsheets, databases, or email clients.
Didn't invent browsers.
Didn't invent directory services.

I can go on and on.

I still don't understand what your point is. The fact that they didn't invent those things doesn't make them thieves because they improved upon them. By that reasoning every car company is a thief because they didn't invent the car.

I realize you're abject hatred for Microsoft runs deep, but what I'm looking for is a rational thought process behind your assertion that they've stolen everything they've done.

They didn't really improve on them. There are better versions of each one of the products I listed.

The point is that Microsoft has no original ideas. They wait for someone else to think of something, and they make their knock-off copy of it.

And your solution to this larceny? Let me guess...Government regulation.

In case you have not noticed...the computer segment of the marketplace in one of the few industries that are not subsidized or regulated....Its curious that the manufacturers of both hard and software in this industry have constanly been able to improve the products while lowering the costs without the government being involved...while..Lets take the auto industry...cant seem to do the same because of the heavy regulation from government and the costs of meeting the constant environmental and saftey regulations that are foisted on it.

Government regulation always increases the price of goods.

So you're saying you're in favor of unsafe, environmentally unfriendly cars?

You under the statists notion that those things wouldnt be accomplished without government mandates...I contend that in a totally free market that the consumers would send market signals to the auto makers that they wanted those options..Government need not be around to solve problems or decide choices for people.

I doubt it. During the industrial revolution, America had unsafe working conditions, insanely long work weeks with negligible pay, unsafe products, etc. Corporations don't give a damn about consumers, only their money.

Workers flocked to the industrial jobs despite what you would describe as "slave labor"...You fail to mention that they CHOSE to take those jobs because it was a step up from having to work on the FARM and eeking out an existance ...Those very people that you would have me feel sorry for ended up as a pretty well off generation in comparison to those that eeked out an agricultrual existance.

I call BS on this one.

Well...Of course with government subsidies such as that for corn farmers...There have been some been some success stories in the agriculture picture too....and the unintended consequences thereof...such as banning sugar exports and thus giving corn farmers the market on High Fructose Corn Sugar/Syrup...If you look at the WSJ and scan the commodities you will notice that foriegn sugar is much cheaper than US sugar...and yet manufacturers cant use it...sooo...they use the cheaper HFCS in their products....Studies have shown that this stuff may will be a major factor in the obesity level and the plague of diabetes among
Americans..since we dont metabolize it as well and cane sugar.
Remember...Governments rarely solve any problems...and when they do happen to accidently do so...It is done immorally by stealing wages from citizens to do it.....The American form of government WILL suffer the fate of all governments in past...it will collaspe under its own parasitic blood feast for power over its citizens.

Don't hold your breath.

And most of us NEVER though the Soviets would fall either...Go back to sleep...When this ends it wont be so painful.....seriously...I dont expect this to happen..I think Americans are smart and we will finally see the evil around us...There are several secessionist movements already being formed in the USA. The most prominent will be in NH with the Free State Project...This time there wont be a idiot like Lincoln around to send 500k men to their deaths to stop it.

I wouldn't go that far. The Soviet economy was a wreck after WWI. The Stalin years didn't help. The centrally planned economy obviously would not be able to compete with other countries. As long as it didn't have to, it was okay. But the longer that went on, the further behind the Soviet economy would become. The surprise was that it lasted as long as it did. Gorbachev admitted that the country needed drastic changes well before the Berlin wall came down, and well before the Soviet Union fell. Which is why he implemented Perestroika and Glasnost.

Ok...good points...But what makes us think that our system of government will somehow endure...when it is becoming the very type of system that has caused others to implode....Heavy progressive taxation,inflation,devaluation of currency,growing police state,imperialist foreign policy..ect..ect..ect...seems like we are heading down the road to major trouble.

And FoShizzle is just as wacky as you, lets just abolish government altogether, LOLOLOL

TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:And FoShizzle is just as wacky as you, lets just abolish government altogether, LOLOLOL

Whats so special about statist government anyway?.. I advocate the voluntary interaction among people without the use of force and respect for property rights in a free market society.....Self Government...Liberty...True Freedom at its most pure level.

Wacky as charged...thanks for the compliment

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

NIU007 Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

NIU007 Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Ninerfan1 Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:Didn't invent DOS.
Didn't invent Windows.
Didn't invent word processing, spreadsheets, databases, or email clients.
Didn't invent browsers.
Didn't invent directory services.

I can go on and on.

I still don't understand what your point is. The fact that they didn't invent those things doesn't make them thieves because they improved upon them. By that reasoning every car company is a thief because they didn't invent the car.

I realize you're abject hatred for Microsoft runs deep, but what I'm looking for is a rational thought process behind your assertion that they've stolen everything they've done.

They didn't really improve on them. There are better versions of each one of the products I listed.

The point is that Microsoft has no original ideas. They wait for someone else to think of something, and they make their knock-off copy of it.

And your solution to this larceny? Let me guess...Government regulation.

In case you have not noticed...the computer segment of the marketplace in one of the few industries that are not subsidized or regulated....Its curious that the manufacturers of both hard and software in this industry have constanly been able to improve the products while lowering the costs without the government being involved...while..Lets take the auto industry...cant seem to do the same because of the heavy regulation from government and the costs of meeting the constant environmental and saftey regulations that are foisted on it.

Government regulation always increases the price of goods.

So you're saying you're in favor of unsafe, environmentally unfriendly cars?

You under the statists notion that those things wouldnt be accomplished without government mandates...I contend that in a totally free market that the consumers would send market signals to the auto makers that they wanted those options..Government need not be around to solve problems or decide choices for people.

I doubt it. During the industrial revolution, America had unsafe working conditions, insanely long work weeks with negligible pay, unsafe products, etc. Corporations don't give a damn about consumers, only their money.

Workers flocked to the industrial jobs despite what you would describe as "slave labor"...You fail to mention that they CHOSE to take those jobs because it was a step up from having to work on the FARM and eeking out an existance ...Those very people that you would have me feel sorry for ended up as a pretty well off generation in comparison to those that eeked out an agricultrual existance.

I call BS on this one.

Well...Of course with government subsidies such as that for corn farmers...There have been some been some success stories in the agriculture picture too....and the unintended consequences thereof...such as banning sugar exports and thus giving corn farmers the market on High Fructose Corn Sugar/Syrup...If you look at the WSJ and scan the commodities you will notice that foriegn sugar is much cheaper than US sugar...and yet manufacturers cant use it...sooo...they use the cheaper HFCS in their products....Studies have shown that this stuff may will be a major factor in the obesity level and the plague of diabetes among
Americans..since we dont metabolize it as well and cane sugar.
Remember...Governments rarely solve any problems...and when they do happen to accidently do so...It is done immorally by stealing wages from citizens to do it.....The American form of government WILL suffer the fate of all governments in past...it will collaspe under its own parasitic blood feast for power over its citizens.

Don't hold your breath.

And most of us NEVER though the Soviets would fall either...Go back to sleep...When this ends it wont be so painful.....seriously...I dont expect this to happen..I think Americans are smart and we will finally see the evil around us...There are several secessionist movements already being formed in the USA. The most prominent will be in NH with the Free State Project...This time there wont be a idiot like Lincoln around to send 500k men to their deaths to stop it.

I wouldn't go that far. The Soviet economy was a wreck after WWI. The Stalin years didn't help. The centrally planned economy obviously would not be able to compete with other countries. As long as it didn't have to, it was okay. But the longer that went on, the further behind the Soviet economy would become. The surprise was that it lasted as long as it did. Gorbachev admitted that the country needed drastic changes well before the Berlin wall came down, and well before the Soviet Union fell. Which is why he implemented Perestroika and Glasnost.

Ok...good points...But what makes us think that our system of government will somehow endure...when it is becoming the very type of system that has caused others to implode....Heavy progressive taxation,inflation,devaluation of currency,growing police state,imperialist foreign policy..ect..ect..ect...seems like we are heading down the road to major trouble.

I think it will endure because it is adaptable. For one thing, presidents only have a max of 8 years. When things get too bad in one direction, people call for a change. It doesn't change all that much, but enough that we don't end with revolution. I understand where you're coming from, though.

Although, it seems to be much harder to reduce government than it is to expand it. It's like turning a jumbo jet at Mach 3.
Instead of getting rid of bureacracy we cut back on science funding. And then wonder why students don't go into science disciplines.
I personally agree with the occasional intervention on moral grounds, such as going into Somalia, where it is a matter of saving a large number of lives from starvation. The US navy was apparently a big help after the tsunami. Even Bosnia was OK I think.

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:And FoShizzle is just as wacky as you, lets just abolish government altogether, LOLOLOL

Whats so special about statist government anyway?.. I advocate the voluntary interaction among people without the use of force and respect for property rights in a free market society.....Self Government...Liberty...True Freedom at its most pure level.

Wacky as charged...thanks for the compliment

Your call for anarchy is the final nail in the coffin for your credibility.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:And FoShizzle is just as wacky as you, lets just abolish government altogether, LOLOLOL

Whats so special about statist government anyway?.. I advocate the voluntary interaction among people without the use of force and respect for property rights in a free market society.....Self Government...Liberty...True Freedom at its most pure level.

Wacky as charged...thanks for the compliment

Your call for anarchy is the final nail in the coffin for your credibility.

This coming from someone whose credibility was shot before he opened his mouth, maybe if you swim hard enough you can catch your coffin as it floats out to sea...

NIU007 Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

NIU007 Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

NIU007 Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Ninerfan1 Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:Didn't invent DOS.
Didn't invent Windows.
Didn't invent word processing, spreadsheets, databases, or email clients.
Didn't invent browsers.
Didn't invent directory services.

I can go on and on.

I still don't understand what your point is. The fact that they didn't invent those things doesn't make them thieves because they improved upon them. By that reasoning every car company is a thief because they didn't invent the car.

I realize you're abject hatred for Microsoft runs deep, but what I'm looking for is a rational thought process behind your assertion that they've stolen everything they've done.

They didn't really improve on them. There are better versions of each one of the products I listed.

The point is that Microsoft has no original ideas. They wait for someone else to think of something, and they make their knock-off copy of it.

And your solution to this larceny? Let me guess...Government regulation.

In case you have not noticed...the computer segment of the marketplace in one of the few industries that are not subsidized or regulated....Its curious that the manufacturers of both hard and software in this industry have constanly been able to improve the products while lowering the costs without the government being involved...while..Lets take the auto industry...cant seem to do the same because of the heavy regulation from government and the costs of meeting the constant environmental and saftey regulations that are foisted on it.

Government regulation always increases the price of goods.

So you're saying you're in favor of unsafe, environmentally unfriendly cars?

You under the statists notion that those things wouldnt be accomplished without government mandates...I contend that in a totally free market that the consumers would send market signals to the auto makers that they wanted those options..Government need not be around to solve problems or decide choices for people.

I doubt it. During the industrial revolution, America had unsafe working conditions, insanely long work weeks with negligible pay, unsafe products, etc. Corporations don't give a damn about consumers, only their money.

Workers flocked to the industrial jobs despite what you would describe as "slave labor"...You fail to mention that they CHOSE to take those jobs because it was a step up from having to work on the FARM and eeking out an existance ...Those very people that you would have me feel sorry for ended up as a pretty well off generation in comparison to those that eeked out an agricultrual existance.

I call BS on this one.

Well...Of course with government subsidies such as that for corn farmers...There have been some been some success stories in the agriculture picture too....and the unintended consequences thereof...such as banning sugar exports and thus giving corn farmers the market on High Fructose Corn Sugar/Syrup...If you look at the WSJ and scan the commodities you will notice that foriegn sugar is much cheaper than US sugar...and yet manufacturers cant use it...sooo...they use the cheaper HFCS in their products....Studies have shown that this stuff may will be a major factor in the obesity level and the plague of diabetes among
Americans..since we dont metabolize it as well and cane sugar.
Remember...Governments rarely solve any problems...and when they do happen to accidently do so...It is done immorally by stealing wages from citizens to do it.....The American form of government WILL suffer the fate of all governments in past...it will collaspe under its own parasitic blood feast for power over its citizens.

Don't hold your breath.

And most of us NEVER though the Soviets would fall either...Go back to sleep...When this ends it wont be so painful.....seriously...I dont expect this to happen..I think Americans are smart and we will finally see the evil around us...There are several secessionist movements already being formed in the USA. The most prominent will be in NH with the Free State Project...This time there wont be a idiot like Lincoln around to send 500k men to their deaths to stop it.

I wouldn't go that far. The Soviet economy was a wreck after WWI. The Stalin years didn't help. The centrally planned economy obviously would not be able to compete with other countries. As long as it didn't have to, it was okay. But the longer that went on, the further behind the Soviet economy would become. The surprise was that it lasted as long as it did. Gorbachev admitted that the country needed drastic changes well before the Berlin wall came down, and well before the Soviet Union fell. Which is why he implemented Perestroika and Glasnost.

Ok...good points...But what makes us think that our system of government will somehow endure...when it is becoming the very type of system that has caused others to implode....Heavy progressive taxation,inflation,devaluation of currency,growing police state,imperialist foreign policy..ect..ect..ect...seems like we are heading down the road to major trouble.

I think it will endure because it is adaptable. For one thing, presidents only have a max of 8 years. When things get too bad in one direction, people call for a change. It doesn't change all that much, but enough that we don't end with revolution. I understand where you're coming from, though.

Although, it seems to be much harder to reduce government than it is to expand it. It's like turning a jumbo jet at Mach 3.
Instead of getting rid of bureacracy we cut back on science funding. And then wonder why students don't go into science disciplines.
I personally agree with the occasional intervention on moral grounds, such as going into Somalia, where it is a matter of saving a large number of lives from starvation. The US navy was apparently a big help after the tsunami. Even Bosnia was OK I think.

The problem I have is that the Federal Government has never been able to restrain itself from grabbing more and more power from the states and the citizens...and we all just sit here and allow it to happen by allowing it to steal the fruits of our labor to fund it whatever silly nonsence that it wishes...We are powerless...regardless of who in in charge....Voting changes nothing...Hell... even recently the Supreme Court refused again to take up the matter of "redress of greviences" filled by the "We the People foundation"...this is supposed to be a right of the citizens according to the constitution....We should be able to withold our financial support of the government if we have a grievance with the governments use of those funds....but we cant...not without risk of violence from the state.

I have NO problem with helping countries that we have "Treaties" with...But we should not be policemen of the world.

International emergencies should be handled by the UN...and we should help..since we are a member...but we should DEMAND that ALL members of the UN partipate in these missions of mercy...NOT just the US...It pissed my off to see these things happen...and the rest of the world just sits by and expects us to do everything.
This is why I despise the UN and its band of do nothings.

I firmly oppose intervention into the soverign affairs of other countries without invitation or a declaration of war from congress.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:And FoShizzle is just as wacky as you, lets just abolish government altogether, LOLOLOL

Whats so special about statist government anyway?.. I advocate the voluntary interaction among people without the use of force and respect for property rights in a free market society.....Self Government...Liberty...True Freedom at its most pure level.

Wacky as charged...thanks for the compliment

Your call for anarchy is the final nail in the coffin for your credibility.

The society I have described and advocate would still have rules to follow...Only.. these rules would be made and adhered to by free men with their voluntary consent....Id say thats light years away from Anarchy...I prefer the term FreeMarketeerism.

Credibility comes from the advocation and defense of a position of princlple...not the lauching of ad hominen attacks.

TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:And FoShizzle is just as wacky as you, lets just abolish government altogether, LOLOLOL

Whats so special about statist government anyway?.. I advocate the voluntary interaction among people without the use of force and respect for property rights in a free market society.....Self Government...Liberty...True Freedom at its most pure level.

Wacky as charged...thanks for the compliment

Your call for anarchy is the final nail in the coffin for your credibility.

This coming from someone whose credibility was shot before he opened his mouth, maybe if you swim hard enough you can catch your coffin as it floats out to sea...

With all things, I consider the source. And you are not a credible source.

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:And FoShizzle is just as wacky as you, lets just abolish government altogether, LOLOLOL

Whats so special about statist government anyway?.. I advocate the voluntary interaction among people without the use of force and respect for property rights in a free market society.....Self Government...Liberty...True Freedom at its most pure level.

Wacky as charged...thanks for the compliment

Your call for anarchy is the final nail in the coffin for your credibility.

The society I have described and advocate would still have rules to follow...Only.. these rules would be made and adhered to by free men with their voluntary consent....Id say thats light years away from Anarchy...I prefer the term FreeMarketeerism.

Credibility comes from the advocation and defense of a position of princlple...not the lauching of ad hominen attacks.

Credibility certainly doesn't come from advocating a ridiculous position, as you have chosen. You can rant all day about freemarketeerism, and you will have no more credibility than the whack jobs who claim black UN choppers are coming after them.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:And FoShizzle is just as wacky as you, lets just abolish government altogether, LOLOLOL

Whats so special about statist government anyway?.. I advocate the voluntary interaction among people without the use of force and respect for property rights in a free market society.....Self Government...Liberty...True Freedom at its most pure level.

Wacky as charged...thanks for the compliment

Your call for anarchy is the final nail in the coffin for your credibility.

The society I have described and advocate would still have rules to follow...Only.. these rules would be made and adhered to by free men with their voluntary consent....Id say thats light years away from Anarchy...I prefer the term FreeMarketeerism.

Credibility comes from the advocation and defense of a position of princlple...not the lauching of ad hominen attacks.

Credibility certainly doesn't come from advocating a ridiculous position, as you have chosen. You can rant all day about freemarketeerism, and you will have no more credibility than the whack jobs who claim black UN choppers are coming after them.

I would contend that most principles of the free market are put to use by almost everyone...including you..in the majority of their lives each day...Thus validating those princples. Yes...There are advanced princples of the free market that are theory...but that does not make them any less valid for the purpose of discussion.

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:And FoShizzle is just as wacky as you, lets just abolish government altogether, LOLOLOL

Whats so special about statist government anyway?.. I advocate the voluntary interaction among people without the use of force and respect for property rights in a free market society.....Self Government...Liberty...True Freedom at its most pure level.

Wacky as charged...thanks for the compliment

Your call for anarchy is the final nail in the coffin for your credibility.

The society I have described and advocate would still have rules to follow...Only.. these rules would be made and adhered to by free men with their voluntary consent....Id say thats light years away from Anarchy...I prefer the term FreeMarketeerism.

Credibility comes from the advocation and defense of a position of princlple...not the lauching of ad hominen attacks.

Credibility certainly doesn't come from advocating a ridiculous position, as you have chosen. You can rant all day about freemarketeerism, and you will have no more credibility than the whack jobs who claim black UN choppers are coming after them.

I would contend that most principles of the free market are put to use by almost everyone...including you..in the majority of their lives each day...Thus validating those princples. Yes...There are advanced princples of the free market that are theory...but that does not make them any less valid for the purpose of discussion.

His inclusion in anything and the term validity have no bearing on his thought processes...

TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:And FoShizzle is just as wacky as you, lets just abolish government altogether, LOLOLOL

Whats so special about statist government anyway?.. I advocate the voluntary interaction among people without the use of force and respect for property rights in a free market society.....Self Government...Liberty...True Freedom at its most pure level.

Wacky as charged...thanks for the compliment

Your call for anarchy is the final nail in the coffin for your credibility.

The society I have described and advocate would still have rules to follow...Only.. these rules would be made and adhered to by free men with their voluntary consent....Id say thats light years away from Anarchy...I prefer the term FreeMarketeerism.

Credibility comes from the advocation and defense of a position of princlple...not the lauching of ad hominen attacks.

Credibility certainly doesn't come from advocating a ridiculous position, as you have chosen. You can rant all day about freemarketeerism, and you will have no more credibility than the whack jobs who claim black UN choppers are coming after them.

I would contend that most principles of the free market are put to use by almost everyone...including you..in the majority of their lives each day...Thus validating those princples. Yes...There are advanced princples of the free market that are theory...but that does not make them any less valid for the purpose of discussion.

His inclusion in anything and the term validity have no bearing on his thought processes...

Like I said earlier, the two of you should enjoy your adjoining padded rooms.

Still full of witty comebacks and fact based commentary, keep the stimulating debate coming... yawn.

Damn, can you people ONLY respond to the person you're responding to, not every jackleg that was involved in the debate?

RebelKev Wrote:Damn, can you people ONLY respond to the person you're responding to, not every jackleg that was involved in the debate?

lol, calm down, i didnt realize there was a protocol involved in how to respond to idiots in on going feuds. some of us need reminding of the context, i am old and feeble minded...

TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:Damn, can you people ONLY respond to the person you're responding to, not every jackleg that was involved in the debate?

lol, calm down, i didnt realize there was a protocol involved in how to respond to idiots in on going feuds. some of us need reminding of the context, i am old and feeble minded...

I personally have no feud with anyone...I completely understand the statist mindset...since I once had it myself. I am simply conveying a stance based on principle..That NO man...NO government has a right to initiate force upon another human being....Government is force..since you are forced to support it through taxation...Its not rocket science...just princpled philosophy. There is nothing special about OUR system of government. Its NO more special than Communism,Socialism,Fascism,Dictatorship,Monarchy...or ANY other type of government you can think of....They ALL seek the same thing...Power of the State....over the LIBERTY of the individual. This is the moral argument that can NOT be disputed.

TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:And FoShizzle is just as wacky as you, lets just abolish government altogether, LOLOLOL

Whats so special about statist government anyway?.. I advocate the voluntary interaction among people without the use of force and respect for property rights in a free market society.....Self Government...Liberty...True Freedom at its most pure level.

Wacky as charged...thanks for the compliment

Your call for anarchy is the final nail in the coffin for your credibility.

The society I have described and advocate would still have rules to follow...Only.. these rules would be made and adhered to by free men with their voluntary consent....Id say thats light years away from Anarchy...I prefer the term FreeMarketeerism.

Credibility comes from the advocation and defense of a position of princlple...not the lauching of ad hominen attacks.

Credibility certainly doesn't come from advocating a ridiculous position, as you have chosen. You can rant all day about freemarketeerism, and you will have no more credibility than the whack jobs who claim black UN choppers are coming after them.

I would contend that most principles of the free market are put to use by almost everyone...including you..in the majority of their lives each day...Thus validating those princples. Yes...There are advanced princples of the free market that are theory...but that does not make them any less valid for the purpose of discussion.

His inclusion in anything and the term validity have no bearing on his thought processes...

Im not trying to attack this gentlemen...only convey a alternate message of philosophy...Im not suprised or offended by his reactions to my posts.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:And FoShizzle is just as wacky as you, lets just abolish government altogether, LOLOLOL

Whats so special about statist government anyway?.. I advocate the voluntary interaction among people without the use of force and respect for property rights in a free market society.....Self Government...Liberty...True Freedom at its most pure level.

Wacky as charged...thanks for the compliment

Your call for anarchy is the final nail in the coffin for your credibility.

The society I have described and advocate would still have rules to follow...Only.. these rules would be made and adhered to by free men with their voluntary consent....Id say thats light years away from Anarchy...I prefer the term FreeMarketeerism.

Credibility comes from the advocation and defense of a position of princlple...not the lauching of ad hominen attacks.

Credibility certainly doesn't come from advocating a ridiculous position, as you have chosen. You can rant all day about freemarketeerism, and you will have no more credibility than the whack jobs who claim black UN choppers are coming after them.

I would contend that most principles of the free market are put to use by almost everyone...including you..in the majority of their lives each day...Thus validating those princples. Yes...There are advanced princples of the free market that are theory...but that does not make them any less valid for the purpose of discussion.

His inclusion in anything and the term validity have no bearing on his thought processes...

Like I said earlier, the two of you should enjoy your adjoining padded rooms.

Again...Your ad hominem attacks do not render your positons credibility...I relish principled debate...I dont claim to be an expert on anything...I am fully open to being schooled and hold NO ill will against anyone that becomes my teacher....I open my mind to you...teach me.

TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:lol, calm down, i didnt realize there was a protocol involved in how to respond to idiots in on going feuds. some of us need reminding of the context, i am old and feeble minded...

You're not doing it, to my knowledge. TOGC and Fo are. It makes a 1-2 sentence response into a page-long response.