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Rupert Murdoch predicts landslide for Democrats
It's not like you can accuse the CEO of Newscorp (Weekly Standard, Fox News, NY Post, Wall Street Journal) and former board member of the Cato Institute of having a liberal bias.

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By Eric Auchard 2 hours, 24 minutes ago

CARLSBAD, California (Reuters) - News Corp Chief Executive Rupert Murdoch on Wednesday predicted a Democratic landslide in the U.S. presidential election against a gloomy economic backdrop over the next 18 months.

Murdoch has yet to endorse a U.S. presidential candidate but considers Barack Obama very promising, the media magnate said in an interview by two Wall Street Journal reporters at an annual conference for high-tech industry insiders.

News Corp recently acquired ownership of the Journal and its parent company Dow Jones & Co.

"You have got the Obama phenomenon. You have got, undoubtedly, a recession ... The average American is really getting hurt financially and that all bodes well for him (Obama), Murdoch said.

"You have probably the making of a complete phenomenon in this country," Murdoch said in describing what he predicted will be a sweeping victory for Democrats in November.

The recent special election for a U.S. Congressional seat held by Republicans in Mississippi showed how powerless that party may be in the face of a rising political tide, Murdoch said. Democrat Travis Childers won the seat this month.

Murdoch said Obama and John McCain, the expected nominee of the Republican Party, both have a lot of problems, but McCain will be hurt by his party and his close ties to Washington. Race will be an issue for Obama, who would be the first black U.S. president, but "it looks like he overcomes that, overcomes that totally."

Murdoch is associated with conservative political views but has a reputation for a pragmatic streak in major national races where he has shown a willingness to switch sides when he detects major political changes afoot.

"I think it (a recession) is one we will be coming out of for quite some time," Murdoch said. "In the next 18 months, this country is going to be in for a very hard time."

In the 2008 U.S. Presidential race, Murdoch said he is not yet backing anyone, but then quickly added: "I want to meet Obama. I want to know if he going to walk the walk."

Murdoch said he had played a role in the endorsement by the New York Post, one of his global stable of papers, in endorsing Obama during the Democratic primary with Hillary Clinton in New York.
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More of the obvious. McLame is a lost cause. Vote Barr and start the wheels of REAL change.
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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:More of the obvious. McLame is a lost cause. Vote Barr and start the wheels of REAL change.

Vote Barr and be counted with the rest of the one-half of one percent who did!

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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:More of the obvious. McLame is a lost cause. Vote Barr and start the wheels of REAL change.

Vote Barr and be counted with the rest of the one-half of one percent who did!

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He's polling at 6-8% right now nationwide and he hasn't even done anything. Nice try. Next.
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That's not exactly going out on a limb.
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Ninerfan1 Wrote:That's not exactly going out on a limb.

Perot polled 7% before he got serious.

Barr won't win. But he's already almost got access to the debates. Can you name the last time a THIRD PARTY got access to the debates?
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Ninerfan1 Wrote:That's not exactly going out on a limb.

Perot polled 7% before he got serious.

Barr won't win. But he's already almost got access to the debates. Can you name the last time a THIRD PARTY got access to the debates?

Perot back in 1988.

Barr won't get there. He only had 3% in a Zogby Poll on May 18. He was only getting 7% in his own poll and that was back in April

http://blog.bobbarr2008.com/2008/04/11/b...ntial-bid/

Third parties may make you feel good with your protest vote, but they'll never win. They spend too much time and money running for an office they'll never win instead of running for city councils and state legislatures where they might win and actually gain some momentum.
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the other Greg Childers Wrote:Third parties may make you feel good with your protest vote, but they'll never win. They spend too much time and money running for an office they'll never win instead of running for city councils and state legislatures where they might win and actually gain some momentum.

Actually, this is where the libertarians are a bit better off than other third party movements. They actually are a party (at least sort of) instead of a cult around one individual (Perot, Nader), they actually do field fairly complete slates of candidates, and they've actually won a few of those elections. I don't know whether Barr will actually materialize as someone who can get a larger share of the vote or not. But if he does get the name recognition, I'm guessing that he might pull a larger than usual number of down-ballot candidates through to wins. And that could be a huge step forward.

I despise what President Bush has done in office. I don't necessarily think he lied about Iraq (since I think that's more a function of the uncertainty which I'm well aware exists about intelligence estimates), but he DID lie about shrinking the size of the federal government and about getting us out of the nation-building business. And don't tell me that 9/11 is to blame for either of those. Excluding Homeland Security related items, the rest of the federal budget STILL grew at the fastest eight-year rate in history.

I don't see McCain as Bush's third term. I see some real differences between the two, and I like the fact that he's more of a centrist, but he tends to be more conservative on issues where I'm more liberal and more liberal on issues where I'm more conservative. So in the end I'm not that excited.

If Hillary were going to be Bill's third term, then she'd be my favorite in a heartbeat. But I don't think Hillary 1 would be Bill 3, not to mention that I don't think Hillary will get the dem nomination. At the end of the day, I'd probably be happier if we were getting ready for Bill 5 than for any of the options that ARE available.

I do think Obama will be elected, and I think that if he carries out his campaign promises he will be an unmitigated disaster. He's looking to add $300 billion in spending to a budget that is already way under water. Even if he ends the Iraq war (which he may well find out that he can't really do), things will still be way upside down. To close the budget gap, he's looking at increasing taxes in ways that will drive investment (and the jobs that go with it) away from the US. What's really scary to me is that polls indicate the strongest dem ticket would be for him to pick Johnny the Ambulance Chaser as his running mate. If that happens, not only will US investment be running overseas, but the supply of incoming foreign investement will dry up too. When those jobs go away, our trade balance will get worse and the dollar will get weaker. The three things that scare investment (and jobs that go with it, and export sales that those jobs produce) away from the US now are (1) high corporate taxes compared to other countries (plus high capital gains and dividend taxes), (2) the threat of losses from lottery-type tort litigation, and (3) uncertainty over environmental costs and restrictions. Obama/Edwards is the worst nightmare for anyone trying to overcome those concerns. The best thing I've heard Obama say is that he'd go into Pakistan to get bin Laden; Bush should have done that before even thinking about Iraq. Unfortunately, doing that now runs the risk of pi$$ing off China (which has historically supported Pakistan vs. India based on the enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend argument). Do that, and if China decides to eat their losses and dump their US government debt, the dollar becomes the Argentine peso. How does the US economy look then? The saving grace may be that a bunch of the democrats who won in 2006, and the three that have turned over republican seats in by-elections this year, are the kinds of conservative democrats who allied with republicans to vote down a lot of really crazy stuff a generation ago. Many of them are as far from Nanci Pelosi ideologically as Arnold Schwartzenegger is from Pat Robertson on the republican side. Without them, the supermajority votes aren't there, and at the end of the day that might put enough of a brake on Obama to keep things from totally cratering.

That leaves Barr, and that's where my vote will go, barring some huge unexpected event between now and November. He's not the perfect libertarian, not by any means. But he might be able to turn the libertarians' traditional 1-2% of the vote to 7-10%, and that would have huge positive implications for the future. That's more than I can see accomplishing by voting for anyone else.
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Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:Actually, this is where the libertarians are a bit better off than other third party movements. They actually are a party (at least sort of) instead of a cult around one individual (Perot, Nader), they actually do field fairly complete slates of candidates, and they've actually won a few of those elections. I don't know whether Barr will actually materialize as someone who can get a larger share of the vote or not. But if he does get the name recognition, I'm guessing that he might pull a larger than usual number of down-ballot candidates through to wins. And that could be a huge step forward.

I despise what President Bush has done in office. I don't necessarily think he lied about Iraq (since I think that's more a function of the uncertainty which I'm well aware exists about intelligence estimates), but he DID lie about shrinking the size of the federal government and about getting us out of the nation-building business. And don't tell me that 9/11 is to blame for either of those. Excluding Homeland Security related items, the rest of the federal budget STILL grew at the fastest eight-year rate in history.

I don't see McCain as Bush's third term. I see some real differences between the two, and I like the fact that he's more of a centrist, but he tends to be more conservative on issues where I'm more liberal and more liberal on issues where I'm more conservative. So in the end I'm not that excited.

If Hillary were going to be Bill's third term, then she'd be my favorite in a heartbeat. But I don't think Hillary 1 would be Bill 3, not to mention that I don't think Hillary will get the dem nomination. At the end of the day, I'd probably be happier if we were getting ready for Bill 5 than for any of the options that ARE available.

I do think Obama will be elected, and I think that if he carries out his campaign promises he will be an unmitigated disaster. He's looking to add $300 billion in spending to a budget that is already way under water. Even if he ends the Iraq war (which he may well find out that he can't really do), things will still be way upside down. To close the budget gap, he's looking at increasing taxes in ways that will drive investment (and the jobs that go with it) away from the US. What's really scary to me is that polls indicate the strongest dem ticket would be for him to pick Johnny the Ambulance Chaser as his running mate. If that happens, not only will US investment be running overseas, but the supply of incoming foreign investement will dry up too. When those jobs go away, our trade balance will get worse and the dollar will get weaker. The three things that scare investment (and jobs that go with it, and export sales that those jobs produce) away from the US now are (1) high corporate taxes compared to other countries (plus high capital gains and dividend taxes), (2) the threat of losses from lottery-type tort litigation, and (3) uncertainty over environmental costs and restrictions. Obama/Edwards is the worst nightmare for anyone trying to overcome those concerns. The best thing I've heard Obama say is that he'd go into Pakistan to get bin Laden; Bush should have done that before even thinking about Iraq. Unfortunately, doing that now runs the risk of pi$$ing off China (which has historically supported Pakistan vs. India based on the enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend argument). Do that, and if China decides to eat their losses and dump their US government debt, the dollar becomes the Argentine peso. How does the US economy look then? The saving grace may be that a bunch of the democrats who won in 2006, and the three that have turned over republican seats in by-elections this year, are the kinds of conservative democrats who allied with republicans to vote down a lot of really crazy stuff a generation ago. Many of them are as far from Nanci Pelosi ideologically as Arnold Schwartzenegger is from Pat Robertson on the republican side. Without them, the supermajority votes aren't there, and at the end of the day that might put enough of a brake on Obama to keep things from totally cratering.

That leaves Barr, and that's where my vote will go, barring some huge unexpected event between now and November. He's not the perfect libertarian, not by any means. But he might be able to turn the libertarians' traditional 1-2% of the vote to 7-10%, and that would have huge positive implications for the future. That's more than I can see accomplishing by voting for anyone else.

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Ive been critical of Babar for coming into the LP convention and bringing basicly taking it over. The traditonal LP folks did not see this coming and were helpless to stop it. Babar used his politcal savy and machine to stack the convention and win..I congratulate him in being able to achieve his goal of being the nominee.. He made a deal with this Root character(who is really quite scary) to get the nod...leaving the principled and traditional type of candidates shaking their heads.

I have left the LP and wish them well. The party does not now expound the values that it had when I joined it in 1984. The LP has been basically an educational party and debate society over the years...I guess it has decided...like it or not...to try and be revelant to the voting public.

Im afraid the LP will achieve its goal in being revelant. Babar will likely give the LP the most votes it has ever had in a presidental election...My guess...8%. The problem is Im afraid that most of that 8% will come from pissed off conservatives and independents casting protest votes.

I predict that babar and the LP will give the election to the Democrats...as Nader and the Greenies gave the election to GW.

I will cast my vote in protest also...to McCain or I will stay home. My principles will not allow me to vote for a socialist.
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Question to GTS. Do you think Ron Paul will endorse Barr. I'm sure alot of RP supporters are already going to go that way, but if he officially endorsed him, it could add another 4-5% I'm thinking.
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I don't think Barr will hand the election to the Democrats. I actually think he'll pull as many votes from conservatives who feel betrayed by Bush and were going to vote for Obama (may have voted for him in the primaries) as he will from anywhere else. Face it, there were a lot of people voting for Obama in primaries who have nothing in common with who he has been in the past, and only slightly more in common with what he describes in his speeches. Assuming the mainstream media allow enough objectivity to cloud their crush on Obama, when these people find out who he really is, they're going to be looking somewhere else. I don't think they'll settle on McCain, thinking he's too close to Bush 3. So that leaves Barr for them.

I actually think there will be a bunch of these. I saw one poll that showed him at 6%, including 7% reps, 5% dems, and 6% indys. If that holds, he's not going to decide the election.

Now if Hillary somehow ends up as the nominee instead of Obama, then I think Barr's support will mainly be drawn away from McCain, and that could decide the election.
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Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:I don't think Barr will hand the election to the Democrats. I actually think he'll pull as many votes from conservatives who feel betrayed by Bush and were going to vote for Obama (may have voted for him in the primaries) as he will from anywhere else. Face it, there were a lot of people voting for Obama in primaries who have nothing in common with who he has been in the past, and only slightly more in common with what he describes in his speeches. Assuming the mainstream media allow enough objectivity to cloud their crush on Obama, when these people find out who he really is, they're going to be looking somewhere else. I don't think they'll settle on McCain, thinking he's too close to Bush 3. So that leaves Barr for them.

I actually think there will be a bunch of these. I saw one poll that showed him at 6%, including 7% reps, 5% dems, and 6% indys. If that holds, he's not going to decide the election.

Now if Hillary somehow ends up as the nominee instead of Obama, then I think Barr's support will mainly be drawn away from McCain, and that could decide the election.

Hell...In politics anything could happen. It still too early to really tell.
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ETSUfan1 Wrote:Question to GTS. Do you think Ron Paul will endorse Barr. I'm sure alot of RP supporters are already going to go that way, but if he officially endorsed him, it could add another 4-5% I'm thinking.

A mutual friend trying to set up a lunch for me with him in the next few weeks. I plan to ask him about that then, if he hasn't already declared one way or the other. My guess is that he won't officially endorse, for fear of angering the republican leadership, but that he might put out the word privately to key supporters that he's fine with his supporters voting that way.
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ETSUfan1 Wrote:Question to GTS. Do you think Ron Paul will endorse Barr. I'm sure alot of RP supporters are already going to go that way, but if he officially endorsed him, it could add another 4-5% I'm thinking.

Thats an interesting question...My guess in no. RP is as close to the Harry Browne principled LP positons as you could get...immigration and borders were his only departure...Barr has not even been close to RP on "old" LP principles although he now all of a sudden claims them....Barr and RP have aligned in congress several times in oppositon to big govt...but...I dont think he would publicly endorse him....Hell I could be wrong.
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I could see RP not endorsing him publicly, but putting the word out privately and giving him access to RP's fund-raising database.
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ETSUfan1 Wrote:Question to GTS. Do you think Ron Paul will endorse Barr. I'm sure alot of RP supporters are already going to go that way, but if he officially endorsed him, it could add another 4-5% I'm thinking.

Ron has secured another term in office, and he's getting up there in age. He has started saying in his speeches that he could move aside and the movement he has awakened will continue on. His book reads like long term marching orders wrapped in a philosophy of why and where he cam from and why the movement cannot stop.

I think if the GOP doesn't give him a prime time speaking spot, he'll publicly endorse Barr. Even if the GOP gives him a spot, there's still a chance. It all depends on, at the end of the day, how Paul thinks he's being treated by the GOP. IMHO -- the answer to that is incredibly crappy.

Bare minimum I think you'd see something like Barr saying he'd appoint Paul as his economic advisor in his Cabinet, and Paul publicly saying he'd accept such a position.
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I think the real thing that RP can provide is the database. If he does that, then I think Barr will take it from there.
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paul isn't going to get a speaking gig at the convention, if he does it will be for around 4am.

It'd be stupid for the party to accomodate him for a number of reasons, starting with he's not a republican and a Rothbardian 'libertarain'(with some neo-confederate nuance mixed in) who used the GOP for the most part with some overlap as to be expected. had he stayed in LP he'd never held office, and he can mask alot of his out there views with a simple "federalism" stance on gop side. it suprises me more big L libertarians haven't done this.


and more importantly, placing a racist kook on stage at the convention....anytime...but especially this year with Obama and the sure to come "the GOP is racist" meme from the media/dems would follow. the newsletters would suddenly be on the news, etc. it would be like david duke, paul's friend I might add and supporter, speaking at it.

I figure the 3-5% REVOlution will make fools of themselves outside with some sort of stunt, the media will cover it from a way that it hurts the GOP and helps Socialism/obama.
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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:
Ninerfan1 Wrote:That's not exactly going out on a limb.

Perot polled 7% before he got serious.

Barr won't win. But he's already almost got access to the debates. Can you name the last time a THIRD PARTY got access to the debates?

I meant picking a landslide for democrats.

Barr who?
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