West Is the Best Wrote:Sounds good by me. If students aren't prepared for college they should not be in the classroom. Athelete or not.

How is it you create a thread bashing poor grammatical skills, but misspell "athlete" with "athelete"?

perunapower Wrote:

West Is the Best Wrote:Sounds good by me. If students aren't prepared for college they should not be in the classroom. Athelete or not.

How is it you create a thread bashing poor grammatical skills, but misspell "athlete" with "athelete"?

So I didn't spell check - shoot me.

And how is an open discussion about poor grammar bashing grammar?
Only the Lunatic Left would make such an idiotic comment.
Bad grammar is bad grammar. The truth is not bashing.

West Is the Best Wrote:

perunapower Wrote:

West Is the Best Wrote:Sounds good by me. If students aren't prepared for college they should not be in the classroom. Athelete or not.

How is it you create a thread bashing poor grammatical skills, but misspell "athlete" with "athelete"?

So I didn't spell check - shoot me.

And how is an open discussion about poor grammar bashing grammar?
Only the Lunatic Left would make such an idiotic comment.
Bad grammar is bad grammar. The truth is not bashing.

The truth is that you do not even know how to spell "athlete" even with a spell checker. Now that is stupid.

RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:Another Bush legacy.

The uneducated will believe that. Of course, it's no coincidence that public school teachers tend to vote Dem nearly 80% of the time.

dwr0109 Wrote:

tigertom Wrote:

RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:Another Bush legacy.

"Well ... there you go again" !

Who dat , say dat ??
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Just be glad you may live where you don't have to understand a "Foreign Language" that's suppose to sound like English. The NBA/NFL references are correct. "It is, what it is" ... pathetic !
Is there any doubt who the ones in the video will be voting for. "The unknowing being led by the unscrupulous" .

Well since this is a college sports website. How many on here would like to see their alma maters toughen up the academic requirements for admission, and enforce much stricter standards in the classroom?

Like, refusing to allow athletes to play unless they meet much stricter academic standards throughout their careers.

If we did this, the talent levels of the football and basketball teams would plummet. There is no doubt about that. Many of the athletes carrying these teams would have never sniffed the grounds of these institutions if we didn't let them in for their athletic ability.

So, would you trade success in the revenue sports for more academically qualified athletes?

Well...A few years back...I was at a Pirate Club function...and...I approached ECUs former AD...Dave Hart with my objection to us signing so many prop 48s....He told me to mind my damn business...If I wanted a winning team in NC...We would have to sign some kids with marginal academics.

He was correct...You can not field a football team and expect to compete without taking some kids that are on the borderline, unless you are one of the top college programs.

I've been an advocate of developing a new major in college....B.S. in Athletics. Give these kids the skills to be able to survive in a career in athletics. Money management, public relations, sportscasting, public speaking, sports management, agent representation,..ect. They generate millions of dollars to schools and usually leave totally unprepared for anything but playing sports. Give this kids the skills that as an athlete will enable them to make a living after the game.

West Is the Best Wrote:

perunapower Wrote:How is it you create a thread bashing poor grammatical skills, but misspell "athlete" with "athelete"?

So I didn't spell check - shoot me.

And how is an open discussion about poor grammar bashing grammar?
Only the Lunatic Left would make such an idiotic comment.
Bad grammar is bad grammar. The truth is not bashing.

Normally I don't point out another poster's misspelled words or lack of understanding of basic grammar and syntax, but you proved yourself too opportune too pass up. I abhor the painful misuse of the English language by any number of people, but the blatant lack of understanding of the English language is far wider than current college graduates. It's pathetic, in my opinion. It is the definition of irony when someone arguing against a group makes a blatant mistake that groups him with the individuals against which he's making his point.

I'm not bashing grammar, if you perceived that from my post may I suggest "See Spot Run" books at your local public library because remedial literary comprehension seems to be above your head. Bad grammar is bad grammar, but it infinitely undermines your argument against lack of grammatical skill when you yourself can't spell a word like "athlete". If it was a simple typo, you fess up and laugh about the irony. If it's a mistake, then perhaps you should think before lecturing others about their misuse of the English language until you can properly master it.

But what do I know? I'm apparently a member of the "Lunatic Left". Who needs English; let's just all learn Spanish instead, right?

perunapower Wrote:

West Is the Best Wrote:

perunapower Wrote:How is it you create a thread bashing poor grammatical skills, but misspell "athlete" with "athelete"?

So I didn't spell check - shoot me.

And how is an open discussion about poor grammar bashing grammar?
Only the Lunatic Left would make such an idiotic comment.
Bad grammar is bad grammar. The truth is not bashing.

Normally I don't point out another poster's misspelled words or lack of understanding of basic grammar and syntax, but you proved yourself too opportune too pass up. I abhor the painful misuse of the English language by any number of people, but the blatant lack of understanding of the English language is far wider than current college graduates. It's pathetic, in my opinion. It is the definition of irony when someone arguing against a group makes a blatant mistake that groups him with the individuals against which he's making his point.

I'm not bashing grammar, if you perceived that from my post may I suggest "See Spot Run" books at your local public library because remedial literary comprehension seems to be above your head. Bad grammar is bad grammar, but it infinitely undermines your argument against lack of grammatical skill when you yourself can't spell a word like "athlete". If it was a simple typo, you fess up and laugh about the irony. If it's a mistake, then perhaps you should think before lecturing others about their misuse of the English language until you can properly master it.

But what do I know? I'm apparently a member of the "Lunatic Left". Who needs English; let's just all learn Spanish instead, right?

Cant we all just get along?

dwr0109 Wrote:

tigertom Wrote:

RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:Another Bush legacy.

"Well ... there you go again" !

Who dat , say dat ??
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Dey jes do what dey do ! !
http://chicagoagainstobama.wordpress.com...candidate/

Just be glad you may live where you don't have to understand a "Foreign Language" that's suppose to sound like English. The NBA/NFL references are correct. "It is, what it is" ... pathetic !
Is there any doubt who the ones in the video will be voting for. "The unknowing being led by the unscrupulous" .

Well since this is a college sports website. How many on here would like to see their alma maters toughen up the academic requirements for admission, and enforce much stricter standards in the classroom?

Like, refusing to allow athletes to play unless they meet much stricter academic standards throughout their careers.

If we did this, the talent levels of the football and basketball teams would plummet. There is no doubt about that. Many of the athletes carrying these teams would have never sniffed the grounds of these institutions if we didn't let them in for their athletic ability.

So, would you trade success in the revenue sports for more academically qualified athletes?

I always thought that colleges were for higher learning and that sports were secondary - if even that. The fact is if it were not for sports many colleges wouldn't even be a blip on a radar screen. IMO the schools that place sports above all else have their priorities mixed up. Schools like Yale, Princeton, Harvard, MIT, et al developed their reputations using brains instead of muscle.

Let's face it, unless you go pro, having 4 years of football on your resume won't get you far in the real world but a real degree just might.

perunapower Wrote:Normally I don't point out another poster's misspelled words or lack of understanding of basic grammar and syntax, but you proved yourself too opportune too pass up. I abhor the painful misuse of the English language by any number of people, but the blatant lack of understanding of the English language is far wider than current college graduates. It's pathetic, in my opinion. It is the definition of irony when someone arguing against a group makes a blatant mistake that groups him with the individuals against which he's making his point.

Come dude, he mistyped one word. It's not like he's walking around saying "I ain't go no nothing," or "Let me axe you a question." He's making a very valid point and doing so in an articulate and well thought out manner. I'm sure he can spell athlete and if he's guilty of anything it's that he has enough confidence in what he writes that he doesn't feel the need to proof read it.

If one misspelled gets you all wound up I can only imagine the stress you'd feel if you were to hang around with the athletes who were given complete scholarships because they can catch a ball but can't put together two sentences without using profanity or somehow butchering the English language.

smn1256 Wrote:

perunapower Wrote:Normally I don't point out another poster's misspelled words or lack of understanding of basic grammar and syntax, but you proved yourself too opportune too pass up. I abhor the painful misuse of the English language by any number of people, but the blatant lack of understanding of the English language is far wider than current college graduates. It's pathetic, in my opinion. It is the definition of irony when someone arguing against a group makes a blatant mistake that groups him with the individuals against which he's making his point.

Come dude, he mistyped one word. It's not like he's walking around saying "I ain't go no nothing," or "Let me axe you a question." He's making a very valid point and doing so in an articulate and well thought out manner. I'm sure he can spell athlete and if he's guilty of anything it's that he has enough confidence in what he writes that he doesn't feel the need to proof read it.

If one misspelled gets you all wound up I can only imagine the stress you'd feel if you were to hang around with the athletes who were given complete scholarships because they can catch a ball but can't put together two sentences without using profanity or somehow butchering the English language.

Agread...evan a gramer Natzi mite mispell facist.

smn1256 Wrote:Come dude, he mistyped one word. It's not like he's walking around saying "I ain't go no nothing," or "Let me axe you a question." He's making a very valid point and doing so in an articulate and well thought out manner. I'm sure he can spell athlete and if he's guilty of anything it's that he has enough confidence in what he writes that he doesn't feel the need to proof read it.

If one misspelled gets you all wound up I can only imagine the stress you'd feel if you were to hang around with the athletes who were given complete scholarships because they can catch a ball but can't put together two sentences without using profanity or somehow butchering the English language.

My first comment was more poking fun at irony than diminishing his argument. I, in no way, think his argument is unreasonable or invalid. My problem started when when I pointed out the irony of him misspelling a elementary word in his crusade against the poor grammar of college graduates and I got denigrated as a lunatic leftist, a falsehood in itself, and a protecting poor grammar skills.

I'm confident in my use of the English language, but I reread my posts before I hit submit. I reread my emails to make sure they properly convey what I was thinking. It's not hard, nor is it time-consuming. But it's not an unforgivable sin to make a typo on a post. We've all done it. My problem was less with his typo and more with his immediate and inaccurate response to my light-hearted jab.

Fo Shizzle Wrote:I've been an advocate of developing a new major in college....B.S. in Athletics. Give these kids the skills to be able to survive in a career in athletics. Money management, public relations, sportscasting, public speaking, sports management, agent representation,..ect. They generate millions of dollars to schools and usually leave totally unprepared for anything but playing sports. Give this kids the skills that as an athlete will enable them to make a living after the game.

I used to be opposed to such an idea, but you bring up some very good subjects that could be taught at a level that matches todays academic standards. Public speaking is already a typical gen ed requirement, and many of those other classes would have reasonable content. Not a bad idea.

DrTorch Wrote:Every "professional educator" thinks they're going to save the world by ensuring that each student has read James Joyce and knows how great Simon Bolivar was. Many skip the basics of grammar to ensure that lots of PC material is covered. Many others take approaches to teaching that would confuse an Oxford professor!

I stopped reading this thread after this comment.

My wife is a "professional educator." She holds a master's degree in creative arts therapy, a master's degree in education and a doctorate in psychology. She helped write the special education curriculum for Pa. when Thornburgh was governor. She's been teaching special education classes at the university level for some 20 years now.

All that being said, she's adamant that kids should not be mainstreamed. She's just as adamant that not every kid will get the same education, only that they get an approriate education.

When she worked as a psychologist in the Philadelphia school system, she was regularly frustrated by the "social promotion" policy. "What's that?" you say? Simple - you can't hold kids back, even if they fail classes miserably.

Likewise, kids with consistent discipline problems are allowed to continually disrupt classes. My wife's solution - make the parents show up to the classroom and sit next to their child. Believe it or not, one mother took her up on the suggestion. Lo and behold, it worked.

Anyway, I digress. Bottom line is that there are plenty of professional educators who are fed up with the system, who believe that not everyone should have a deep, metaphysical understanding of British literature and, as my wife does, firmly believe that education is a right, not a privilege.

Torch: Generalizations like this = bad. Bad, bad, bad.

DrTorch Wrote:

RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:Another Bush legacy.

The uneducated will believe that. Of course, it's no coincidence that public school teachers tend to vote Dem nearly 80% of the time.

No Child Left Behind!!

Teachers that I've talked to hate that legislation. Kids are shuffled through and promoted to higher grades so the school won't lose funding. This wouldn't be a problem if people voted for school levies, but they don't and then get angry that there is no money for bus service. I haven't looked, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is a correllation between parents' interests in their child's school work, and/or the amount of reading that the children see at home compared to how well the children do in school.

*I hope my post has gotten past teh internets grammer police. Personnally, I always have a problem with "its" and "it's". After learning it, I forget it. Must be some type of Freudian mental block.

BGSUalum1987 Wrote:Anyway, I digress. Bottom line is that there are plenty of professional educators who are fed up with the system, who believe that not everyone should have a deep, metaphysical understanding of British literature and, as my wife does, firmly believe that education is a right, not a privilege.

Torch: Generalizations like this = bad. Bad, bad, bad.

My apologies '87. Would it be fair to say that the system is overrun w/ those who'd mainstream students, and your wife's experience validates that?

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

smn1256 Wrote:

perunapower Wrote:Normally I don't point out another poster's misspelled words or lack of understanding of basic grammar and syntax, but you proved yourself too opportune too pass up. I abhor the painful misuse of the English language by any number of people, but the blatant lack of understanding of the English language is far wider than current college graduates. It's pathetic, in my opinion. It is the definition of irony when someone arguing against a group makes a blatant mistake that groups him with the individuals against which he's making his point.

Come dude, he mistyped one word. It's not like he's walking around saying "I ain't go no nothing," or "Let me axe you a question." He's making a very valid point and doing so in an articulate and well thought out manner. I'm sure he can spell athlete and if he's guilty of anything it's that he has enough confidence in what he writes that he doesn't feel the need to proof read it.

If one misspelled gets you all wound up I can only imagine the stress you'd feel if you were to hang around with the athletes who were given complete scholarships because they can catch a ball but can't put together two sentences without using profanity or somehow butchering the English language.

Agread...evan a gramer Natzi mite mispell facist.

You know who else had bad grammar? Hitler.

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

smn1256 Wrote:

perunapower Wrote:Normally I don't point out another poster's misspelled words or lack of understanding of basic grammar and syntax, but you proved yourself too opportune too pass up. I abhor the painful misuse of the English language by any number of people, but the blatant lack of understanding of the English language is far wider than current college graduates. It's pathetic, in my opinion. It is the definition of irony when someone arguing against a group makes a blatant mistake that groups him with the individuals against which he's making his point.

Come dude, he mistyped one word. It's not like he's walking around saying "I ain't go no nothing," or "Let me axe you a question." He's making a very valid point and doing so in an articulate and well thought out manner. I'm sure he can spell athlete and if he's guilty of anything it's that he has enough confidence in what he writes that he doesn't feel the need to proof read it.

If one misspelled gets you all wound up I can only imagine the stress you'd feel if you were to hang around with the athletes who were given complete scholarships because they can catch a ball but can't put together two sentences without using profanity or somehow butchering the English language.

Agread...evan a gramer Natzi mite mispell facist.

You know who else had bad grammar? Hitler.

smn1256 Wrote:

firmbizzle Wrote:Much of it is a need to assimilate into the common culture.(ie. danglin' your participals, droppin' ur g's) If your grammar is perfect, it may cause you to be an outcast even among people who look like you.

Sadly, this perpetuates the problem.

I work in a medical office and in the front we have 2 women. One has perfect grammar, the other uses a lot of country slang. The patients feel more confortable speaking with the one who uses slang.

RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:Another Bush legacy.

Sadly, some children need to be left behind.

DrTorch Wrote:

BGSUalum1987 Wrote:Anyway, I digress. Bottom line is that there are plenty of professional educators who are fed up with the system, who believe that not everyone should have a deep, metaphysical understanding of British literature and, as my wife does, firmly believe that education is a right, not a privilege.

Torch: Generalizations like this = bad. Bad, bad, bad.

My apologies '87. Would it be fair to say that the system is overrun w/ those who'd mainstream students, and your wife's experience validates that?

I think that would be an accurate statement, thanks.