bitcruncher Wrote:

Terpy Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:I think y'all are speaking of PARITY, and not PARODY. Somebody needs to learn English...

A PARODY is a sarcastic joke.

PARITY is when all things are fairly equal.

once again you should actually read the thread before you post

go back to ******* your sister

It's been edited by the creator of the thread, or an administrator, since I made this post, moron...

that wasn't his point

Sorry swoosh, totally disagree. Yes, teams can make the playoffs and WS without big money. But if you want to compete year in and year out, as I've stated multiple times, you have to have big money. The yankees and red sox will always be competing for the playoffs because they have the big money. Meanwhile the Reds and Brewers have to build a team for a 2 year window to make the playoffs, and if it doesn't work out then they have to begin rebuilding again. I'm not a fan of having a team compete 2-3 years out of every 10 when the big market teams will compete every year.

I have more or less given up on baseball, which was my first love growing up. The game is just not fun any longer thanks to what the league has become. Everyone I know thinks the same thing... this is in southwest Ohio, an area that used to be one of the best baseball areas in the country. Now the Reds have trouble drawing 20K to games because the fans have grown so tired of what major league baseball has become. At some point the league will have to make major changes, otherwise there will be about 10 teams that are legitimate and 20 teams that are the Washington Generals and out there just to get destroyed. I also used to watch a lot of the national games on ESPN, now I don't watch any as I'm so sick and tired of the crap put out by major league baseball.

mlb Wrote:Sorry swoosh, totally disagree. Yes, teams can make the playoffs and WS without big money. But if you want to compete year in and year out, as I've stated multiple times, you have to have big money. The yankees and red sox will always be competing for the playoffs because they have the big money. Meanwhile the Reds and Brewers have to build a team for a 2 year window to make the playoffs, and if it doesn't work out then they have to begin rebuilding again. I'm not a fan of having a team compete 2-3 years out of every 10 when the big market teams will compete every year.

I have more or less given up on baseball, which was my first love growing up. The game is just not fun any longer thanks to what the league has become. Everyone I know thinks the same thing... this is in southwest Ohio, an area that used to be one of the best baseball areas in the country. Now the Reds have trouble drawing 20K to games because the fans have grown so tired of what major league baseball has become. At some point the league will have to make major changes, otherwise there will be about 10 teams that are legitimate and 20 teams that are the Washington Generals and out there just to get destroyed. I also used to watch a lot of the national games on ESPN, now I don't watch any as I'm so sick and tired of the crap put out by major league baseball.

i don't like to throw around insults on this board, but you and those other fans are being stupid. Any knowledgeable baseball fan knows you're flat out wrong. that's all there is to it.

do you really believe the reds can't compete with the cardinals and cubs because they don't have the money? You're an idiot if you answered yes. Tell me, who's the last great player the reds developed out of their own farm system? The answer is barry larkin, in 1986!! So their last great player was developed over 2 decades ago. Yeah i'm sure money is the big reason they don't compete year in and year out. The Reds are probably one of the three worst teams in the past 20 years in terms of management skills. Major League Baseball is not the culprit for the lack of fans in Ohio, it's the Reds management.

Let me throw some more numbers at you. Did you know that in this past MLB draft in June a record was set for the most money spent in a draft? It's $11.14 million. do you know who set that record? Was it the red sox, yankees, dodgers, mets or angels? Nope, try the Royals. it sure seems like they're having trouble spending money.

You say the reds and brewers can only compete for 20% of a decade, but what about the D-backs? they have a WS in this decade and, because of their farm system, are ready to compete for awhile. With webb, haren, upton, young, drew, etc., they have the pieces in place. Hell, they even overpaid eric byrnes and still have plenty of money to spend.

You're argument was a valid one 10 years ago, but new revenue sharing and luxury tax have erased most of those concerns.

Let's face it, if the reds had any sense they'd be competing every year, but they're a stupid franchise.

so terpy, if great players win championships in the NBA, how come lebron hasn't won one? Why hasn't kobe won without shaq? They are the two best players in the NBA after all. Will CP3, kobe or lebron win one this season?

as for your point about the NFL, the giants have actually been in the SB 4 times in the past 22 years and have won 3 of those. that's a pretty big percentage. Heck, who are the favorites for this year's SB as of right now? the steelers and the giants. wow that's a shock, those teams have never been there.

On another note, are you guys (other than terpy) fans of college football? if so, it's a little rich for you to be skewering baseball, isn't it? who are the front runners this year in college? LSU, texas, USC, penn st? what a surprise.

flyingswoosh Wrote:so terpy, if great players win championships in the NBA, how come lebron hasn't won one? Why hasn't kobe won without shaq? They are the two best players in the NBA after all. Will CP3, kobe or lebron win one this season?

Lebron and Kobe arent good enough its that simple. Look at what I am saying, In the past 25 years the 5 transcendent players have won 19 of the championships That is a fact (and of the six other championships 4 of those were won by other "lesser" greats in Isaiah Thomas and Hakeem Olajuwon with 2 each). Lebron and to a lesser extent Kobe may become the next transcendent player in the league but they arent there yet. Things may change in the next decade or so but for the past 25 seasons it has been the great ones that win. With Shaq and Tim Duncan entering the twilight of their careers it will be interesting to see who steps up next.

One other interesting point, Jordan didnt win his first championship until he was 27 so Lebron still has plenty of time to become the next truly great player as he is still a few months short of his 24th birthday.

Terpy Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:so terpy, if great players win championships in the NBA, how come lebron hasn't won one? Why hasn't kobe won without shaq? They are the two best players in the NBA after all. Will CP3, kobe or lebron win one this season?

Lebron and Kobe arent good enough its that simple. Look at what I am saying, In the past 25 years the 5 transcendent players have won 19 of the championships That is a fact (and of the six other championships 4 of those were won by other "lesser" greats in Isaiah Thomas and Hakeem Olajuwon with 2 each). Lebron and to a lesser extent Kobe may become the next transcendent player in the league but they arent there yet. Things may change in the next decade or so but for the past 25 seasons it has been the great ones that win. With Shaq and Tim Duncan entering the twilight of their careers it will be interesting to see who steps up next.

One other interesting point, Jordan didnt win his first championship until he was 27 so Lebron still has plenty of time to become the next truly great player as he is still a few months short of his 24th birthday.

wow, you just called the best two players in the world, "not good enough." you do realize how absurd that sounds, don't you?

and, what do you mean lebron still has plenty of time to become the next truly great player? he already is. the guy is by far the best player in the world and is already second to MJ on the list of greatest players ever, IMO.

Also, was kevin garnett not a great player? I see you're premise that geat players win championships, not great teams, but i think it's flawed. Duncan couldnt've won without david robinson, tony parker and manu ginobili. Shaq couldnt've won without kobe or d. wade. Look at the pistons; they have one ring and other appearances. Their isn't one elite player on that team. It's just that, a great TEAM.

The Pistons of 2003-04 and last year's celtics are the two lone exceptions in the past 25 years!

Look at it this way swoosh regarding Lebron/Kobe...Magic has 3 MVPs, Larry Bird has 3 MVPs, Jordan has 5, Duncan has 2 (probably should have more) and Shaq has 1 (also should have more). Those 4 guys account for 19 of the past 25 championships. Kobe just turned 30 so I guess he still has a chance to get another MVP or two but most players start to decline after 30, and unlike a lot of other players at 30, Kobe is entering his 13th NBA season so you would have to think he has a little more wear and tear, but maybe not.