RE: Is Obama a Natural Born Citizen? Constititional Crisis Looms
firmbizzle Wrote:Why are you trying to tear down our president? We are in the middle of an economic crisis, and this is what you are worried about?
You've got to be ******* kidding me. You ids on the left have been trying to tear down Bush even though we were in the middle of an economic crisis, during 9/11, after the internet bubble burst, after corporate scandal, and while we were fighting the global war on terrorism.
Sell crazy someplace else.
Oh, and someone who was a mortgage broker for a sub-prime lending company, and subsidiary of HSBC? Dims caused most of this. They caused it when they refused to do anything about our dependency on foreign oil...and making it impossible for us to address the issue, and they caused it by forcing us to lend to people who should be either in an apartment, living with relatives, or on the damn streets.
BTW, seems to me many of these problems didn't arise until AFTER January of 2007. Gee, wonder what happened there? Bush can only sign or veto a budget. He doesn't initiate spending bills. Wanna blame someone, blame the GDamn Dims in charge of Congress. Yes, Obama's one of those morons.
RE: Is Obama a Natural Born Citizen? Constititional Crisis Looms
SumOfAllFears Wrote:Why does this YouTube Insert not work?
Fixed, and it does if you do it right. The code isn't the entire URL. Click the youtube image and paste the code, should be ab out 8 characters, then click the youtube image to close the tag.
RE: Is Obama a Natural Born Citizen? Constititional Crisis Looms
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How do you know Rebel, we never hear from him anymore ....
I think a T2000 came back in time and Terminated Him or he was sucked into "CERN's Blackhole" when they fired off their Super Particle Warper Internet Booster.
RE: Is Obama a Natural Born Citizen? Constititional Crisis Looms
SumOfAllFears Wrote:Well guys I am glad to see you all here. Steve, Trip, Paul, I've been studying some of the legal web sites, reading pleadings and getting familiar with the lingo. Whereas Republicans in office are almost 90% businessmen, Democrats are overwhelmingly Lawyers. Does this indicate where we are headed today.
On a personal note, the twins are in their 24th week of development. So far so good. It’s cost about 30 large so far. One boy, one girl, hopefully sometime late Jan. or Feb. Both Families are all excited and ecstatic over the progress. Mother is a real trooper and doing well also. She is being well taken care of, if she sneezes, there is someone there to hand her a hankie. Her 2 sisters, who only have 1 grown child between then, are very involved.
The question here, to try to distill this to those who did not read or understand the original post, Steve you do such a better job of that than me, is Obama’s Natural Born Status. You must understand that the immigration laws have changes slightly from when Obama was born in 1961. Today, thanks to Regan, If you are born in the US, you are a citizen. Anchor Baby Policy. In 1961, being Obama’s father was not a citizen; it fell on the 18 Year old mother to pass American Citizenship to her son. In short, she is not able to pass citizenship to Obama because she did not meet the requirements.
Next, why won’t Obama just come forth with the original Certificate of Live Birth? (COL) The document he has posted is not a COL, instead a forged summary probably his sisters. No Doctors, No witness, No dates or times, No footprint, No Hospital, Nothing to verify where and if he was born in Hawaii. Instead he has filed in court, Motion to Dismiss after Motion to Dismiss to delay the access to his documents. WHY? Why won’t he just come forward and end the controversy. It doesn’t pass the smell test.
Next, Obama’s grandmother says she witnessed Obama’s birth in Kenya. His mother arrived in Hawaii a few days later with Obama in tow.
Next, Later Obama went to Indonesia when his mother remarried. IF, a big IF, he was a citizen of the US he surrendered it to become an Indonesian citizen to go to school there, an Indonesian requirement. He could come back to the US and reapply for citizenship, but he would become a naturalized citizen, and does not meet the Constitutional requirement of a Natural Born Citizen. But he did not do that either. Dual Citizenship disqualifies him from being president.
Yes, questioning if Obama meets the Constitutional requirement to be president is patriotic, just as those who think "America is a downright mean country” or "NO, no, no, Not G_d Bless America, G_d D@mn America" , even whose love affair of all things democratic and all things Obama are patriotic as well. Misplaced as they maybe.
Why does this YouTube Insert not work?
THere has been something I have been wondering since you started posting here. Is your name Rush Limbaugh?
RE: Is Obama a Natural Born Citizen? Constititional Crisis Looms
SumOfAllFears Wrote:Well guys I am glad to see you all here. Steve, Trip, Paul, I've been studying some of the legal web sites, reading pleadings and getting familiar with the lingo. Whereas Republicans in office are almost 90% businessmen, Democrats are overwhelmingly Lawyers. Does this indicate where we are headed today.
On a personal note, the twins are in their 24th week of development. So far so good. It’s cost about 30 large so far. One boy, one girl, hopefully sometime late Jan. or Feb. Both Families are all excited and ecstatic over the progress. Mother is a real trooper and doing well also. She is being well taken care of, if she sneezes, there is someone there to hand her a hankie. Her 2 sisters, who only have 1 grown child between then, are very involved.
The question here, to try to distill this to those who did not read or understand the original post, Steve you do such a better job of that than me, is Obama’s Natural Born Status. You must understand that the immigration laws have changes slightly from when Obama was born in 1961. Today, thanks to Regan, If you are born in the US, you are a citizen. Anchor Baby Policy. In 1961, being Obama’s father was not a citizen; it fell on the 18 Year old mother to pass American Citizenship to her son. In short, she is not able to pass citizenship to Obama because she did not meet the requirements.
Next, why won’t Obama just come forth with the original Certificate of Live Birth? (COL) The document he has posted is not a COL, instead a forged summary probably his sisters. No Doctors, No witness, No dates or times, No footprint, No Hospital, Nothing to verify where and if he was born in Hawaii. Instead he has filed in court, Motion to Dismiss after Motion to Dismiss to delay the access to his documents. WHY? Why won’t he just come forward and end the controversy. It doesn’t pass the smell test.
Next, Obama’s grandmother says she witnessed Obama’s birth in Kenya. His mother arrived in Hawaii a few days later with Obama in tow.
Next, Later Obama went to Indonesia when his mother remarried. IF, a big IF, he was a citizen of the US he surrendered it to become an Indonesian citizen to go to school there, an Indonesian requirement. He could come back to the US and reapply for citizenship, but he would become a naturalized citizen, and does not meet the Constitutional requirement of a Natural Born Citizen. But he did not do that either. Dual Citizenship disqualifies him from being president.
Yes, questioning if Obama meets the Constitutional requirement to be president is patriotic, just as those who think "America is a downright mean country” or "NO, no, no, Not G_d Bless America, G_d D@mn America" , even whose love affair of all things democratic and all things Obama are patriotic as well. Misplaced as they maybe.
Why does this YouTube Insert not work?
THere has been something I have been wondering since you started posting here. Is your name Rush Limbaugh?
RE: Is Obama a Natural Born Citizen? Constititional Crisis Looms
Rebel Wrote:
firmbizzle Wrote:Why are you trying to tear down our president? We are in the middle of an economic crisis, and this is what you are worried about?
You've got to be ******* kidding me. You ids on the left have been trying to tear down Bush even though we were in the middle of an economic crisis, during 9/11, after the internet bubble burst, after corporate scandal, and while we were fighting the global war on terrorism.
Sell crazy someplace else.
Oh, and someone who was a mortgage broker for a sub-prime lending company, and subsidiary of HSBC? Dims caused most of this. They caused it when they refused to do anything about our dependency on foreign oil...and making it impossible for us to address the issue, and they caused it by forcing us to lend to people who should be either in an apartment, living with relatives, or on the damn streets.
BTW, seems to me many of these problems didn't arise until AFTER January of 2007. Gee, wonder what happened there? Bush can only sign or veto a budget. He doesn't initiate spending bills. Wanna blame someone, blame the GDamn Dims in charge of Congress. Yes, Obama's one of those morons.
Quote:All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
While both the Fourteenth Amendment and the Civil Rights Act of 1866 make it clear that anyone born in the United States and not subject to any other country is a citizen there is no indication that this is a requirment. This is an upper limit on the restrictions that state & federal governments can put on citizenship, needed to extend Constitutional rights to blacks following Dred Scott. It can't be any more restrictive than this, but there is nothing to say it can't be less so.
And if you just paste your links in the body of your message, outside of any quote tags, they might work a little better (at least they do for me).
RE: Is Obama a Natural Born Citizen? Constititional Crisis Looms
First of all, I fully believe Obama is a natural U.S. citizen and the folks harboring opposite views are just conspiracy theory freaks.
However that said, I don't understand why this constitutional amendment hasn't been modified. It just seems out-dated and unimportant. I don't see any problems with people born outside the U.S. to be eligible to run for president if they become an American citizen and have some length of permanent residency (say 35 years or so). There are lots of people who were not allowed to run for president who might have been good candidates to do so (two current governors in Arnie and Granholm, Madeline Albright, Henry Kissinger, etc.).
I understood the rationale of this amendment when it was created but with globalization the way it is now, many borders are now meaningless.
Does anyone know if such an amendment exists in other countries? Could someone born in France become Prime Minster of England or maybe a Pakistani-born become PM of India?
RE: Is Obama a Natural Born Citizen? Constititional Crisis Looms
Fort Bend Owl Wrote:First of all, I fully believe Obama is a natural U.S. citizen and the folks harboring opposite views are just conspiracy theory freaks.
However that said, I don't understand why this constitutional amendment hasn't been modified. It just seems out-dated and unimportant. I don't see any problems with people born outside the U.S. to be eligible to run for president if they become an American citizen and have some length of permanent residency (say 35 years or so). There are lots of people who were not allowed to run for president who might have been good candidates to do so (two current governors in Arnie and Granholm, Madeline Albright, Henry Kissinger, etc.).
I understood the rationale of this amendment when it was created but with globalization the way it is now, many borders are now meaningless.
Does anyone know if such an amendment exists in other countries? Could someone born in France become Prime Minster of England or maybe a Pakistani-born become PM of India?
I think there are several things in the constitution that are somewhat outdated and need revision and clarification. I would not be opposed to your suggestion.
RE: Is Obama a Natural Born Citizen? Constititional Crisis Looms
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Fort Bend Owl - - I understand the Premise, but the Application is no longer valid in the Nuclear World.
I have to believe it was Written to stop a "Sleeper" i.e. "The Manchurian Candidate", from being able to live in another Country where he is totally Jason Bourne Brain Washed and Completely Indoctrinated into a Belief System of such Human Waste as Al Qaeda and the Taliban - - thus giving these people a grand Opportunity to "Install, by what ever means necessary, this Person into the Office of President".
Simply Remember that "One Does Not Actually have to Run for this Office to Obtain It" ... they just have to be in the Right Place, in the Right Position, at the Right Time and voila !!!!! we have a total Al Qaeda Lunatic Dictator in the Oval Office.
I know !!! far out there, but just maybe this is why the law was written and is enforced. Still Stupid since we are electing Middle Eastern People to ALL Sectors and Ranks of Political Office these days ... so this law is fairly Moot in the Present Day.
Bobby Jindal is my Governor and I LOVE THIS GUY !!!! He is an Azz Kicking Go Getter and I would join his Presidential Campaign like Yesterday ... and he is "1st Generation Indian American" ("no RobertN, India in the Upper Middle East, not Native American Indian").
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11-27-2008 10:21 AM
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RE: Is Obama a Natural Born Citizen? Constititional Crisis Looms
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Trip,
Quote:Simply Remember that "One Does Not Actually have to Run for this Office to Obtain It" ... they just have to be in the Right Place, in the Right Position, at the Right Time and voila !!!!! we have a total Al Qaeda Lunatic Dictator in the Oval Office.
and has the money to buy the office.
Here is another Miscarriage of Justice. What the He!! is he hiding?
Obama certificate lawsuit dismissed
Judge Bert Ayabe says Net author Martin had no standing to get birth document
RE: Is Obama a Natural Born Citizen? Constititional Crisis Looms
Tripster Wrote:.
How do you know Rebel, we never hear from him anymore ....
I think a T2000 came back in time and Terminated Him or he was sucked into "CERN's Blackhole" when they fired off their Super Particle Warper Internet Booster.
Did he retire into seclusion Steve ???
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The Governator rode a wave of popularity when he was elected and was somewhat effective in the beginning - then he made a sharp turn to the left (gee, surprising for a foriegn born Hollywood actor, right?) and is drawing criticism from both sides. When he ran for Gov he promised no new taxes and to eliminate the car tax his predecessor, Grey Davis, had instituted. Today, not only does he want to bring back the car tax, he wants to increase the sales tax by 1.5%. He is also calling for new or higher fees (he says fees are not taxes) and to do this he doesn't need to go through all the grief associated with getting a tax increase.
While he was running for office he said he was against giving driver's licenses to illegal aliens. But after he got elected he went to San Diego, a Republican stronghold, and when the people started telling to get tough on illegals he asked why they are so racist and full of hate.
I really believe he is a moderate republican, like me. But the liberal political machine that is California has forced him to turn to the left in order to get just about anything done. His lib wife certainly doesn't help either. And forget about his tough guy image, he's a ***** when it comes to dealing with the huge and highly political unions.
I admit I voted for him. I wanted hope and change so I voted for a sharp talking person with a little known track record and now things are f**ked up. Sound like someone else we all know and love?
11-27-2008 02:19 PM
SumOfAllFears
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