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20,000 U.S. Troops for Domestic Security in 2011
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Pentagon to Detail Troops to Bolster Domestic Security

By Spencer S. Hsu and Ann Scott Tyson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, December 1, 2008; A01

The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials.

The long-planned shift in the Defense Department's role in homeland security was recently backed with funding and troop commitments after years of prodding by Congress and outside experts, defense analysts said.

There are critics of the change, in the military and among civil liberties groups and libertarians who express concern that the new homeland emphasis threatens to strain the military and possibly undermine the Posse Comitatus Act, a 130-year-old federal law restricting the military's role in domestic law enforcement.

But the Bush administration and some in Congress have pushed for a heightened homeland military role since the middle of this decade, saying the greatest domestic threat is terrorists exploiting the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

Before the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, dedicating 20,000 troops to domestic response -- a nearly sevenfold increase in five years -- "would have been extraordinary to the point of unbelievable," Paul McHale, assistant defense secretary for homeland defense, said in remarks last month at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. But the realization that civilian authorities may be overwhelmed in a catastrophe prompted "a fundamental change in military culture," he said.

The Pentagon's plan calls for three rapid-reaction forces to be ready for emergency response by September 2011. The first 4,700-person unit, built around an active-duty combat brigade based at Fort Stewart, Ga., was available as of Oct. 1, said Gen. Victor E. Renuart Jr., commander of the U.S. Northern Command.

If funding continues, two additional teams will join nearly 80 smaller National Guard and reserve units made up of about 6,000 troops in supporting local and state officials nationwide. All would be trained to respond to a domestic chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear, or high-yield explosive attack, or CBRNE event, as the military calls it.

Military preparations for a domestic weapon-of-mass-destruction attack have been underway since at least 1996, when the Marine Corps activated a 350-member chemical and biological incident response force and later based it in Indian Head, Md., a Washington suburb. Such efforts accelerated after the Sept. 11 attacks, and at the time Iraq was invaded in 2003, a Pentagon joint task force drew on 3,000 civil support personnel across the United States.

In 2005, a new Pentagon homeland defense strategy emphasized "preparing for multiple, simultaneous mass casualty incidents." National security threats were not limited to adversaries who seek to grind down U.S. combat forces abroad, McHale said, but also include those who "want to inflict such brutality on our society that we give up the fight," such as by detonating a nuclear bomb in a U.S. city.

In late 2007, Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England signed a directive approving more than $556 million over five years to set up the three response teams, known as CBRNE Consequence Management Response Forces. Planners assume an incident could lead to thousands of casualties, more than 1 million evacuees and contamination of as many as 3,000 square miles, about the scope of damage Hurricane Katrina caused in 2005.

Last month, McHale said, authorities agreed to begin a $1.8 million pilot project funded by the Federal Emergency Management Agency through which civilian authorities in five states could tap military planners to develop disaster response plans. Hawaii, Massachusetts, South Carolina, Washington and West Virginia will each focus on a particular threat -- pandemic flu, a terrorist attack, hurricane, earthquake and catastrophic chemical release, respectively -- speeding up federal and state emergency planning begun in 2003.

Last Monday, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates ordered defense officials to review whether the military, Guard and reserves can respond adequately to domestic disasters.

Gates gave commanders 25 days to propose changes and cost estimates. He cited the work of a congressionally chartered commission, which concluded in January that the Guard and reserve forces are not ready and that they lack equipment and training.

Bert B. Tussing, director of homeland defense and security issues at the U.S. Army War College's Center for Strategic Leadership, said the new Pentagon approach "breaks the mold" by assigning an active-duty combat brigade to the Northern Command for the first time. Until now, the military required the command to rely on troops requested from other sources.

"This is a genuine recognition that this [job] isn't something that you want to have a pickup team responsible for," said Tussing, who has assessed the military's homeland security strategies.

The American Civil Liberties Union and the libertarian Cato Institute are troubled by what they consider an expansion of executive authority.

Domestic emergency deployment may be "just the first example of a series of expansions in presidential and military authority," or even an increase in domestic surveillance, said Anna Christensen of the ACLU's National Security Project. And Cato Vice President Gene Healy warned of "a creeping militarization" of homeland security.

"There's a notion that whenever there's an important problem, that the thing to do is to call in the boys in green," Healy said, "and that's at odds with our long-standing tradition of being wary of the use of standing armies to keep the peace."

McHale stressed that the response units will be subject to the act, that only 8 percent of their personnel will be responsible for security and that their duties will be to protect the force, not other law enforcement. For decades, the military has assigned larger units to respond to civil disturbances, such as during the Los Angeles riot in 1992.

U.S. forces are already under heavy strain, however. The first reaction force is built around the Army's 3rd Infantry Division's 1st Brigade Combat Team, which returned in April after 15 months in Iraq. The team includes operations, aviation and medical task forces that are to be ready to deploy at home or overseas within 48 hours, with units specializing in chemical decontamination, bomb disposal, emergency care and logistics.

The one-year domestic mission, however, does not replace the brigade's next scheduled combat deployment in 2010. The brigade may get additional time in the United States to rest and regroup, compared with other combat units, but it may also face more training and operational requirements depending on its homeland security assignments.

Renuart said the Pentagon is accounting for the strain of fighting two wars, and the need for troops to spend time with their families. "We want to make sure the parameters are right for Iraq and Afghanistan," he said. The 1st Brigade's soldiers "will have some very aggressive training, but will also be home for much of that."

Although some Pentagon leaders initially expected to build the next two response units around combat teams, they are likely to be drawn mainly from reserves and the National Guard, such as the 218th Maneuver Enhancement Brigade from South Carolina, which returned in May after more than a year in Afghanistan.

Now that Pentagon strategy gives new priority to homeland security and calls for heavier reliance on the Guard and reserves, McHale said, Washington has to figure out how to pay for it.

"It's one thing to decide upon a course of action, and it's something else to make it happen," he said. "It's time to put our money where our mouth is."
12-01-2008 12:59 PM
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The Federal Forces will not be able to act until the Highest Elected Official of the State, usually the Governor, requests the assistance from the President. It would be a GROSS violation of law to do otherwise.
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I have a feeling we are spiraling toward martial law. Add in Obama's civilian force (ie PC Police) and we could be looking at dark days ahead for the USA.
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SumOfAllFears Wrote:The Federal Forces will not be able to act until the Highest Elected Official of the State, usually the Governor, requests the assistance from the President. It would be a GROSS violation of law to do otherwise.

There have been far too many gross violations of law in the past decade for me to doubt that these powers will be abused too.
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Definitely disturbing.

It's curious to see how this is playing out.

Immigration is an issue where they beg for military technology to assist them...instead we let the borders become more porous.

The Coast Guard could use help to compete with new technologies from drug cartels (bought from ex Soviets)...instead we
ignore the issue.

Now, w/ very few other problems, we suddenly see 20K "domestic security" troops? This plot makes less sense than Star Wars 1-3.

Hopefully, this turns out mainly to be additional training for National Guard troops.
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SumOfAllFears Wrote:The Federal Forces will not be able to act until the Highest Elected Official of the State, usually the Governor, requests the assistance from the President. It would be a GROSS violation of law to do otherwise.

After the $hit that has gone on over the last 8 years?..I don't trust this new tyrant anymore than the old one.
The neocons are going to have to get a taste of their own medicine. If anyone thinks BO will reduce this newly gained presidential power...they are going to be sadly mistaken.
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DrTorch Wrote:Definitely disturbing.

It's curious to see how this is playing out.

Immigration is an issue where they beg for military technology to assist them...instead we let the borders become more porous.

The Coast Guard could use help to compete with new technologies from drug cartels (bought from ex Soviets)...instead we
ignore the issue.

Now, w/ very few other problems, we suddenly see 20K "domestic security" troops? This plot makes less sense than Star Wars 1-3.

Hopefully, this turns out mainly to be additional training for National Guard troops.

You could see this coming from a mile away. Its the natural state of government to always extend its powers beyond its original stated purpose. Homeland Security will become the next SS if we are not careful.
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GrayBeard Wrote:I have a feeling we are spiraling toward martial law. Add in Obama's civilian force (ie PC Police) and we could be looking at dark days ahead for the USA.

I think I read this book once...It was called 1984. I guess he was off by 25 or so years.
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Whats next? FEMA Detention Centers?

Look on the bright side, if FEMA builds/operates Detention Centers, you can be sure to escape since FEMA is too stupid to secure the barb wire properly around the compound
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blah Wrote:
GrayBeard Wrote:I have a feeling we are spiraling toward martial law. Add in Obama's civilian force (ie PC Police) and we could be looking at dark days ahead for the USA.

I think I read this book once...It was called 1984. I guess he was off by 25 or so years.

In 1984 speak....Homeland Security means....protecting the STATE.05-stirthepot
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WMD Owl Wrote:Whats next? FEMA Detention Centers?

Look on the bright side, if FEMA builds/operates Detention Centers, you can be sure to escape since FEMA is too stupid to secure the barb wire properly around the compound

Yep..We can always count on the incompetency of government bureaucrats and their minions due to the fact that they are not incentivized by freemarket competition.05-stirthepot
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GrayBeard Wrote:I have a feeling we are spiraling toward martial law. Add in Obama's civilian force (ie PC Police) and we could be looking at dark days ahead for the USA.
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RobertN Wrote:
GrayBeard Wrote:I have a feeling we are spiraling toward martial law. Add in Obama's civilian force (ie PC Police) and we could be looking at dark days ahead for the USA.
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RobertN - - - why do LAUGH ???

Do even know what "Posse Comitatus" means too the United States of America ????

Well Robert, If you don't know the Term and Understand the Term, then you won't be Upset or feel the loss of "Posse Comitatus".

You know me and know I am Green Tiger Stripe Military thru and thru - - but old boy, when the Army National Guard is knocking my door down to take my Weapons ..... I am defending my azz to the fullest and I mean what I am saying.

"Posse Comitatus" never really applied to the Army National Guard any way - - it "DID" Apply to Regular Army, Navy, Marine, & Air Force Troops being used As a "United States Police Force" against Civilians.

WE NO LONGER HAVE THAT PROTECTION RobertN - - it is gone Baby !!!! And you are about to feel its sting all the way up the Yin Yang and I hope you like Combat Troops RobertN, because you are about to become the U.S.S.R. with a Combat Soldier Locked & Loaded on every Street Corner .... and Unlike Civilian Law Enforcement, they will gun you down and bury where you fall.

I would tell you a story about the 'Battle of '79 Mardi Gras', but it is a long long story and you don't like those - - it will open your mind though and see how scary having the Military as your Police Forces is going to be - -

Let me know if you want to read it.

But until then, you go ahead on and laugh all the way to Communism boy !!!!!

It is time for me to FIND A GOOD PRIVATE MILITIA too JOIN !!!!!!!!

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it would have been interesting to have all these idle soldiers around during Katrina and seen their effectiveness
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RobertN Wrote:
GrayBeard Wrote:I have a feeling we are spiraling toward martial law. Add in Obama's civilian force (ie PC Police) and we could be looking at dark days ahead for the USA.
03-lmfao

As usual nothing intelligent added by RobertN.
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Fanatical Wrote:it would have been interesting to have all these idle soldiers around during Katrina and seen their effectiveness

Yep...They could have helped confiscate more firearms from people trying to protect themselves.05-stirthepot
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RobertN - - - why do LAUGH ???

Do even know what "Posse Comitatus" means too the United States of America ????

Well Robert, If you don't know the Term and Understand the Term, then you won't be Upset or feel the loss of "Posse Comitatus".

You know me and know I am Green Tiger Stripe Military thru and thru - - but old boy, when the Army National Guard is knocking my door down to take my Weapons ..... I am killing their azz and I mean what I am saying.

"Posse Comitatus" never really applied to the Army National Guard any way - - it "DID" Apply to Regular Army, Navy, Marine, & Air Force Troops being used As a "United States Police Force" against Civilians.

WE NO LONGER HAVE THAT PROTECTION RobertN - - it is gone Baby !!!! And you are about to feel its sting all the way up the Yin Yang and I hope you like Combat Troops RobertN, because you are about to become the U.S.S.R. with a Combat Soldier Locked & Loaded on every Street Corner .... and Unlike Civilian Law Enforcement, they will gun you down and bury where you fall.

I would tell you a story about the 'Battle of '79 Mardi Gras', but it is a long long story and you don't like those - - it will open your mind though and see how scary having the Military as your Police Forces is going to be - -

Let me know if you want to read it.

But until then, you go ahead on and laugh all the way to Communism boy !!!!!

It is time for me to FIND A GOOD PRIVATE MILITIA too JOIN !!!!!!!!

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