(01-08-2009 11:16 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Being a moderator does not make you a moderate.

If that was the case, I'd be Super-Moderate. :)

(01-08-2009 11:53 AM)Paul M Wrote:  How about balancing the budget by STOPPING SPENDING? I don't know how anyone thinks giving more money to spenders will balance anything.

Paul, in just two sentences you nailed it, a perfect 10.

Paul, in just two sentences you nailed it, a perfect 10.

Freeze spending. I think it's candyland pollyanna bs to say we can cut our way out of this. We have to raise revnue and freeze spending.

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Yeah, saying "Stop The Spending to Liberals and Entitlement Grabbers" is like telling a bunch of drunk Spring Break College Students to "Just Stop Having Sex" ...

The "Political Power Base is Perpetuated Continually by Welfare Spending".

If you get a Drug Free Guy hooked on Swack, you have him hooked to your nipple forever and he is Your Clown and will Do the Monkey Dance to get his treats. (and yes I meant SWACK).

Same difference with Entitlement Spending ... you hook 'em like a fish and imprison them in a life of utter decay and poverty and they will vote for you until death and keep you in power just to keep getting thrown their chewed down bone treats.

STOP THE SPENDING and YEAH, it will hurt like hell for a long time, but it has to start somewhere .....

We simply can no longer afford it !!!!!

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Oh YEAH .....

If you stop the idiot spending ....

You stop Illegal Taxation .... DUH anyone ???

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(01-08-2009 12:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  That's why the free market works better than regulation--provided you get the stimuli right. You can offer tax credits to develop alternatives--or you can tax the price of oil-based fuels up to the level of alternatives. The latter doesn't require nearly as much interpretation or regulation, nor does it leave as much room for manipulation.

I'm not sure how you could call taxing the snot out of oil the "free market", but I do agree it would work. It's a bit draconian, and you haven't dealth with the revenue application, but it would work.

(01-08-2009 03:24 PM)Artifice Wrote:  

(01-08-2009 12:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  That's why the free market works better than regulation--provided you get the stimuli right. You can offer tax credits to develop alternatives--or you can tax the price of oil-based fuels up to the level of alternatives. The latter doesn't require nearly as much interpretation or regulation, nor does it leave as much room for manipulation.

I'm not sure how you could call taxing the snot out of oil the "free market", but I do agree it would work. It's a bit draconian, and you haven't dealth with the revenue application, but it would work.

It's free market because the current price isn't really reflective of some of the societal costs--pollution (whether or not you believe in global warming), depletion of a limited resource, necessary involvement (including militarily) in unstable regimes that happen to govern the places where oil is located. Without some recovery of those costs, the so-called "free market" price does not send accurate signals to producers or consumers.

As for use of proceeds, Paris Hilton has already figured that out, use them to fund the transition to alternatives. Actually, if the price is set at a high enough level, alternatives become cost-competitive and you don't need to subsidize them. But what you do need the money for is to build the kinds of infrastructure that will reduce oil consumption--better roads and bridges, mass transit systems, electrical generation plants and distribution grid, high-speed rail, etc.

(01-08-2009 05:11 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  As for use of proceeds, Paris Hilton has already figured that out, use them to fund the transition to alternatives. Actually, if the price is set at a high enough level, alternatives become cost-competitive and you don't need to subsidize them. But what you do need the money for is to build the kinds of infrastructure that will reduce oil consumption--better roads and bridges, mass transit systems, electrical generation plants and distribution grid, high-speed rail, etc.

If you really believe that Ms. Thang figured anything out on her own but how to give good BJ's on camera, well I have a bridge in New York that I would love to sell cheap cheap, 10 doler, 10 doler !!!!!! Love Bridge Long Time ,, not too boo coup -- cheap cheap 10 doler ...

She has about 300 handlers and accountants that hate her guts, but loves her money.

Paris Hilton .... the "Energy Magnate" ....

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(01-08-2009 06:06 PM)Tripster Wrote:  If you really believe that Ms. Thang figured anything out on her own but how to give good BJ's on camera, well I have a bridge in New York that I would love to sell cheap cheap, 10 doler, 10 doler !!!!!! Love Bridge Long Time ,, not too boo coup -- cheap cheap 10 doler ...
She has about 300 handlers and accountants that hate her guts, but loves her money.
Paris Hilton .... the "Energy Magnate" ....

I know she didn't do it herself. I'm putting the odds no better than 50/50 that she had a clue what she was talking about. But what she said makes more sense than what the republicans or democrats have said.

(01-08-2009 11:03 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I know she didn't do it herself. I'm putting the odds no better than 50/50 that she had a clue what she was talking about. But what she said makes more sense than what the republicans or democrats have said.

Now that one I am totally on target with 100% .... :ncaabbs:

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What really scares me about Paris Hilton is you know the Kevin Bacon "Six Degrees of Separation" deal?
I can get to Paris Hilton in two degrees.
What's worse, I know two different ways that I can get to her in two degrees.

(01-08-2009 11:53 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  What really scares me about Paris Hilton is you know the Kevin Bacon "Six Degrees of Separation" deal?
I can get to Paris Hilton in two degrees.
What's worse, I know two different ways that I can get to her in two degrees.

Geeze !!!!!!!

The members on a roll today !!!!!!!!!!

And I am hurting from it .....

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(01-08-2009 11:53 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  What really scares me about Paris Hilton is you know the Kevin Bacon "Six Degrees of Separation" deal?
I can get to Paris Hilton in two degrees.
What's worse, I know two different ways that I can get to her in two degrees.

Owl, I'm surprised you would admit that. I'm hoping that some of her money some how finds it your way.