(08-07-2009 12:47 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 12:37 PM)Tripster Wrote:  LIKE I SAID "DENSE BOY", Whether In Power or NOT, Conservatives HAVE ALWAYS been taught to be Polite and Quiet and not Hurt the Liberals Feelings

Just when I think I've read it all.

Ever heard of Dick Cheney?

The party of the right-wing noise machine? Boss Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Anne Coulter, Fox Noise?

Did you watch the GOP convention, the Palin/McCain rallies?

The GOP is the party of Karl Rove, architect of the scorched-earth strategy of divide and conquer.

The rightwingers are used to getting their way, and for 8 years under Bush they did. Now they aren't anymore, and they don't like someone else being in control.... They are getting pissy, and think they have a right to dictate to the rest of us.

Well guess what: elections have consequences.

Seems like congress was under democratic control for part of Bush's presidency but don't let facts get in the way of your argument. Most conservatives don't really feel Bush was that conservative anyway.

Elections do have consequences and the one's trying to ram health care and cap and trade down our throats are going to learn that lesson again in 2010.

Your reference to Fox news and conservative talk show hosts is also laughable given msnbc and their line up of liberal mouth pieces.

(08-07-2009 01:20 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  Obama sits in a racist church for 20 years and claims he never heard those type remarks, BTW as he resigned from that church.... a little late Barry....

Obama nominates to the Supreme Court a nominee who bases her wisdom on her ethnicity.

To paraphrase Krugman maybe Obama is just an "angry black guy" ....

Well I know Obama's 'Wife' is an "ANGRY BLACK MAN" !!!!!

(yes !!!! I meant MAN)

muwahahahahahahhahahahahaaaaaaaa and sh't ....

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(08-07-2009 01:24 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Your reference to Fox news and conservative talk show hosts is also laughable given msnbc and their line up of liberal mouth pieces.

I dont think anyone claimed the left dosent have vocal, outspoken mouthpieces. The irony of the prior statement was the insinuation that somehow these poor, neglected conservatives have been trampled but that they've taken the high road and been "polite and quiet". THATS whats laughable.

It would really be funny to sit here and listen to the left making the same charges against the right that the right has been making against the left for the last 50 years or more.

Funny, that is, if our future weren't at stake.

(08-07-2009 01:31 PM)niuhuskie84 Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 01:24 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Your reference to Fox news and conservative talk show hosts is also laughable given msnbc and their line up of liberal mouth pieces.

I dont think anyone claimed the left dosent have vocal, outspoken mouthpieces. The irony of the prior statement was the insinuation that somehow these poor, neglected conservatives have been trampled but that they've taken the high road and been "polite and quiet". THATS whats laughable.

Compared to liberals they have been. The national media in this country has a double standard when it comes to speaking out. If the left does it then it's people voicing opinions, if the right does it then it's angry mobs being rude etc...

(08-07-2009 12:33 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  [

100% AGREE.... The biggest problem in the system is that consumers do NOT shop. The reason they don't shop is NOT because Americans are not good shoppers it is that their costs are paid by a 3rd party. People who are paid by benefits have NO incentive to hold costs in line. The legal sytem feeds into this w/ doctors ordering many services/tests just protect against possible lawsuits.

BTW, employer paid benefits / health insurance (not care) were a result of the government imposing wage controls on employers/employees. So business to lure & retain better employees added benefits to avoid government impose controls.....This surge started in the 40's.......... IMO, one of the fixes among many ....people who receive employer provided benefits s/b taxed on the USE of services.

Again I agree w/ OWL...the system needs fixing . What is being proposed is not cost effective it will put the country in a bigger trick bag and we will end up with poorer care. WE NEED BETTER,

I could shop for health insurance but the GOVERNMENT and the current tax code
make choosing something other than one of the 4 plans my employeer choose from cost MUCH MUCH MUCH more.

my employer pays part of my current premiums ( say 60%)
I pay the rest pre tax ( income and Social Sec)

If I choose another play
I pay 100% post tax ( 135% )

so if I find a plan that the total cost is 90% of my current plan ( total )

135% * 90% is much much much greater than 40%


So the government with its tax policy has created a micro monopoly for
most employees that have part of their ins paid.

(08-07-2009 01:31 PM)niuhuskie84 Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 01:24 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Your reference to Fox news and conservative talk show hosts is also laughable given msnbc and their line up of liberal mouth pieces.

I dont think anyone claimed the left dosent have vocal, outspoken mouthpieces. The irony of the prior statement was the insinuation that somehow these poor, neglected conservatives have been trampled but that they've taken the high road and been "polite and quiet". THATS whats laughable.

The left embraced the "Bush lied, people died" crowd. That level of discourse/immaturity was disgusting. I didn't see the repudiating the Cindy Sheehans, etc . Look at Al Franken's behavior and he's a Democratic Senator. Explain to me how "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot," regardless of its veracity, is something to be proud of. I hear the left leaning politicians talking about swasitkas at rallys and the "brown shirts." No major outcry in the media over any of this. Compare all that to the stupid comment that took down Trent Lott. And, I'm not a Trent Lott fan.

The hypocrisy is ridiculous.

(08-07-2009 02:28 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  The hypocrisy is ridiculous.

Both sides have always been hypocritical of the other. But I dont see how this is somehow breaking news.

(08-07-2009 02:41 PM)niuhuskie84 Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 02:28 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  The hypocrisy is ridiculous.

Both sides have always been hypocritical of the other. But I dont see how this is somehow breaking news.

But the left controls the institutions.....The media wants Big & Bigger government...... The political class (Repubs & Dems) want more power.....Heaven help the poor SOB who disagrees ...... he's a nut... a racist.... a nazi......

The government controls the largest Insurance providers ,SSI,Medicare..... they own the residential MORTGAGE MARKET..... they own the countrys largest auto company....... and guess what? THEY WANT MORE.....and not one of the institutions is a well managed, efficient and economically viable enterprise.

(08-07-2009 10:23 AM)niuhuskie84 Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 09:39 AM)Smaug Wrote:  I wonder if it has occurred to this pinhead that maybe, just maybe, mind you, some folks oppose the president's plan because it's a friggin' bad idea?

I have no problem with that; debate is good. Thats why these town hall meetings were organized. However, when you have paranoid wackos interrupting the middle of the meeting to shout about Obama being an illegal alien, then its pretty hard to get down to brass tacks, isnt it?

yeah...where is pink Cindy Sheehan and her crew when you need them.

(08-07-2009 11:38 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 11:29 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Well, for one thing he said "probably". Even if he didn't, he is absolutely correct. THose big mouths at the the town halls ARE mostly those that are "birthers". How can you even deny that? If you don't think they are you aren't living in the real world.

I don't understand why they would WANT to deny it. Most of them seem fully supportive of the "birther" theory. Wouldn't they say "Damn right these people are birthers!!!!"

Or, are they now starting to realize what an embarrasment the birthers actually are to the party, and are now trying to distance themselves from them?

But I think i see the difficulty... It's established that much of the foundation of the "birther" movement lies in a very racist element of society, so you can't very well say "yeah, we're for the birthers!!! But there is NO racial element to this at all!!!" with a straight face.

Well, they CAN say that, I suppose, and I'm sure they will, but it's total BS.

Not that spouting BS troubles these folks in the slightest.

Enough already with the birthers=racism.

(08-07-2009 01:03 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 12:57 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Are we ever going to hold people accountable for playing the race card?

Good question... let's start with Glenn Beck, who called the President of the United States a racist on national television.

He is a motherf*cking flaming racist. Geez, and that's not even breaking news.

(08-07-2009 11:26 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

I'll make you, Obama, Pelosi, Reid and everyone else a deal:

If you don't like people like this, then leave them alone. Don't take their taxes, don't take their time, don't take their children, and don't take any of their resources.

Leave them out of your plans for nationalized health care, let them find their own banks and buy their own cars.

Since they embarass you so much, then do the right thing and distance yourself from them. Laugh at them from your university classrooms, mock them on CNN, have your fill. BUT, hands off their money, time and persons.

Fair enough?

+++++11111 Damned right.

(08-07-2009 11:39 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Just watch MSNBC. They show new "protests" everyday. The commentary may be biased(in your opinion) but the videos don't lie.

So you are the guy who watches MSNBC. I always wondered who it was.

(08-07-2009 06:46 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 11:26 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

I'll make you, Obama, Pelosi, Reid and everyone else a deal:

If you don't like people like this, then leave them alone. Don't take their taxes, don't take their time, don't take their children, and don't take any of their resources.

Leave them out of your plans for nationalized health care, let them find their own banks and buy their own cars.

Since they embarass you so much, then do the right thing and distance yourself from them. Laugh at them from your university classrooms, mock them on CNN, have your fill. BUT, hands off their money, time and persons.

Fair enough?

+++++11111 Damned right.

Just in CASE any one did NOT See this the 1st Time ......

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(08-07-2009 11:29 AM)RobertN Wrote:  THose big mouths at the the town halls ARE mostly those that are "birthers". How can you even deny that? If you don't think they are you aren't living in the real world.

Careful with the generalizations.

The president's parentage doesn't interest me in the slightest. His healthcare plan is a trainwreck waiting to happen.

(08-07-2009 08:51 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 11:29 AM)RobertN Wrote:  THose big mouths at the the town halls ARE mostly those that are "birthers". How can you even deny that? If you don't think they are you aren't living in the real world.

Careful with the generalizations.

The president's parentage doesn't interest me in the slightest. His healthcare plan is a trainwreck waiting to happen.

+1

(08-07-2009 02:28 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 01:31 PM)niuhuskie84 Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 01:24 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Your reference to Fox news and conservative talk show hosts is also laughable given msnbc and their line up of liberal mouth pieces.

I dont think anyone claimed the left dosent have vocal, outspoken mouthpieces. The irony of the prior statement was the insinuation that somehow these poor, neglected conservatives have been trampled but that they've taken the high road and been "polite and quiet". THATS whats laughable.

The left embraced the "Bush lied, people died" crowd. That level of discourse/immaturity was disgusting. I didn't see the repudiating the Cindy Sheehans, etc . Look at Al Franken's behavior and he's a Democratic Senator. Explain to me how "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot," regardless of its veracity, is something to be proud of. I hear the left leaning politicians talking about swasitkas at rallys and the "brown shirts." No major outcry in the media over any of this. Compare all that to the stupid comment that took down Trent Lott. And, I'm not a Trent Lott fan.

The hypocrisy is ridiculous.

You left out the front page national security leaks on the front page of the NY Times, Memogate and Dan Rather's personal hatred for Bush Sr. I'm sure there are more but I'm too tired to think.

(08-07-2009 01:10 PM)Tripster Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 12:47 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 12:37 PM)Tripster Wrote:  LIKE I SAID "DENSE BOY", Whether In Power or NOT, Conservatives HAVE ALWAYS been taught to be Polite and Quiet and not Hurt the Liberals Feelings

Just when I think I've read it all.

Ever heard of Dick Cheney?

The party of the right-wing noise machine? Boss Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Anne Coulter, Fox Noise?

Did you watch the GOP convention, the Palin/McCain rallies?

The GOP is the party of Karl Rove, architect of the scorched-earth strategy of divide and conquer.

The rightwingers are used to getting their way, and for 8 years under Bush they did. Now they aren't anymore, and they don't like someone else being in control.... They are getting pissy, and think they have a right to dictate to the rest of us.

Well guess what: elections have consequences.

Rush Limbaugh got started as a small time Conservative Radio Show in 1987 .... wow such a long time ago.

Dick Cheney just really showed up in the 1980's as heavily steeped in the inner political circle ..... Ancient History

Sean Hannity hasn't even celebrated 10 Years in his Present Status .... too far back for me to remember.

Anne Coulter - - same time frame as Hannity .... Old man, Really Old.

AND let us discuss the Fox Network .....

1980's brings a lone new TV Network called FOX .... Johnny Carson owns about half of FOX but is basically a Silent Partner, but Constantly makes Cute Jokes about The FOX Network on the Tonight Show that were just the right kind to get people Interested Into Tuning Into the FOX Channel (a single lone Channel with no Side Feeds) AND IT WORKED !!!!!!

FOX tells people what is REAL and they don't hold anything back - - I watched FOX Evolve and I know from whence it came old son ....

If I had to sit thru more than an hour of the MSM and all the sugar-smack sticky gooey fooey Obamaic Cotton Candy, I would be heaving like a Drunken Sailor

WOW !!!!!! Absolutely FANTASTIC Politics for over 200 Years and even earlier and we are Dwelling on a 20'ish year span of time.

Well Hell Boy !!!!! You just answered you own question ..... Conservatives have only been attempting to break out of that Goodie Two Shoes Crap for about 20 Years of over 200 Years of Politics.

But since a lot of you are only about 20, and don't remember 8-Track Tapes and 78 Sized Records or Doctors Making House Calls, 20 Years IS Ancient History for you isn't it.

What a group you dudes are .... Obama-igog Demigods.

Must be a wonderful life in Ignorant Communist Bliss.

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