I'm sure El Paso would be a great location for the tournament, if it weren't so far away from all the other schools in the conference. Memphis is a more logical choice because of it's central location. That's the main argument.

(02-15-2010 12:14 AM)Scooby Dooby Dunk Wrote:  As much as I like Miners fans (for the most part...haha), I just don't see how the tournament
could be held there. But then again, maybe CUSA is content to have empty sessions other than
when the home team's playing. That certainly was the case here, by no fault of Memphis fans,
of course. It's just that no other school brought many fans. Memphis is centrally located. El Paso
is far from everyone else in the league. I can't imagine other schools being in favor of this bid.

I also agree with lenetzach that most Tiger fans would not make the trip, preferring instead to
attend NCAA games.

Scooby, I'm not argueing this point at all, in fact I agree with everything you've said above. In fact, we're both saying that even here, nonTiger games are played before a near empty arena. Doesn't that make it easier to acknowledge that from a "support" perspective; El Paso should be the 2nd choice for a conference tourney?

Again, I fully understand the financial hit that conference members and fans would take based on travel expenses and am only addressing home town support for the home team. peace

Memphis is closer to Dallas and Houston than El Paso is. Plus, the Haskins Center is inferior to FedExForum, the BOK Center, New Orleans Arena, Amway Arena, the Toyota Center, and the American Airlines Center. So not only does holding the tournament in El Paso create traveling inconveniences for 11 other schools, it is also limiting the maximum amount of tickets that can be sold to about 6,000 less than anywhere else.

gotta agree with Wolken on this one. I mean, this REALLY penalizes ALL non-UTEP teams and their fans. 600 miles - minimum!?!?!? Holy cow, that basically means EVERYONE has to fly to El Paso to see the tourney.

I've been to El Paso and it is a great place to visit and the Sun Bowl is a great experience. But man, asking 11 teams to bring their fans during the non-Holiday season to El Paso is a bit much.

One other thing: I STILL remember the C-USA tourney held in Louisville during Crum's last year. UL was eliminated really quickly and we had a semifinal game against Huggy and the Bearcats (less than 2 hours away from Freedom Hall). We were leading, then Huggins gets a technical in the second half and the REFS ABSOLUTELY HOSED US FOR THE REST OF THAT GAME (which we lost). Wanna guess whether the refs might have been even a little bit influenced by the need for a decent showing on CBS when they showed the C-USA title game?

And, by the way, for reference, it was only a couple of years after the Kenyon Martin debacle here in Memphis, which led to a St. Louis versus DePaul(maybe) C-USA title game on Saturday morning at the Pyramid on NATIONAL TV in front of MAYBE 800 fans. A total pr disaster for the conference.

Why mention the other 10 teams? Has any school brought more than 100 fans to any C-USA tourney while it was here? I am not sure if Tulane would take more than 20 if the tourney was held in Slidel.
We are pretty much the only travel team. This tourney is not based, nor should it be based on fans travelling to it. It should be based on what city will pony up the most bucks to have it. End of debate.

If you guys say the tournament sessions that didnt involve memphis were empty in memphis then why not let another city hold the tournament.
Ill give you a couple good reasons why El Paso should have the tournament
1. With most of Juarez living in El Paso now, there is over 1 million people here.
2. The best food in the USA
3. Culture
4. Hospitality (Sun Bowl teams will tell you time and time again we provide a great atmosphere.)
5. The most important reason is.... FT. Bliss, with a high number of soldiers located in El Paso from all over the nation, why not give it a shot. Im sure there are soldiers touching all parts of our conference located here at Ft. Bliss, and I am sure they would love to go support their hometowns!

(02-15-2010 02:56 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  If you guys say the tournament sessions that didnt involve memphis were empty in memphis then why not let another city hold the tournament.
Ill give you a couple good reasons why El Paso should have the tournament
1. With most of Juarez living in El Paso now, there is over 1 million people here.
2. The best food in the USA
3. Culture
4. Hospitality (Sun Bowl teams will tell you time and time again we provide a great atmosphere.)
5. The most important reason is.... FT. Bliss, with a high number of soldiers located in El Paso from all over the nation, why not give it a shot. Im sure there are soldiers touching all parts of our conference located here at Ft. Bliss, and I am sure they would love to go support their hometowns!

Ok, #1... are you really using Mexican illegals as an incentive?

(02-15-2010 03:09 AM)NTMB Wrote:  

(02-15-2010 02:56 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  If you guys say the tournament sessions that didnt involve memphis were empty in memphis then why not let another city hold the tournament.
Ill give you a couple good reasons why El Paso should have the tournament
1. With most of Juarez living in El Paso now, there is over 1 million people here.
2. The best food in the USA
3. Culture
4. Hospitality (Sun Bowl teams will tell you time and time again we provide a great atmosphere.)
5. The most important reason is.... FT. Bliss, with a high number of soldiers located in El Paso from all over the nation, why not give it a shot. Im sure there are soldiers touching all parts of our conference located here at Ft. Bliss, and I am sure they would love to go support their hometowns!

Ok, #1... are you really using Mexican illegals as an incentive?

You gotta be kidding! At what level did your education stop? Your sig says something about ignorance.

(02-15-2010 03:19 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(02-15-2010 03:09 AM)NTMB Wrote:  

(02-15-2010 02:56 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  If you guys say the tournament sessions that didnt involve memphis were empty in memphis then why not let another city hold the tournament.
Ill give you a couple good reasons why El Paso should have the tournament
1. With most of Juarez living in El Paso now, there is over 1 million people here.
2. The best food in the USA
3. Culture
4. Hospitality (Sun Bowl teams will tell you time and time again we provide a great atmosphere.)
5. The most important reason is.... FT. Bliss, with a high number of soldiers located in El Paso from all over the nation, why not give it a shot. Im sure there are soldiers touching all parts of our conference located here at Ft. Bliss, and I am sure they would love to go support their hometowns!

Ok, #1... are you really using Mexican illegals as an incentive?

You gotta be kidding! At what level did your education stop? Your sig says something about ignorance.

Ciudad Juárez is in Mexico, no? Si.

If "most of Juarez" is "living in El Paso," it stands to reason we aren't talking about the native citizens of El Paso, but people who claim Juarez as home. If this is the case, it sounds to me like we're talking about Mexicans of non-US citizenship. ergo... illegals living in El Paso.

See, there is logic at work here. It may be flawed in my original premise concerning the identity of the people referred to in the phrase "Juarez living in El Paso," but my logic works fine. So does my sarcasm.

It is not ignorant to recognize that there are quite a few illegal immigrants crossing the Texas border annually. But calling someone ignorant for mentioning it, is quite hypocritical... dumb@ss.

And if the following is any sign of what is being imported, I sure as hell won't be darkening the sands of El Paso any time soon...

El Linko

You Chihuahuans sure are a touchy bunch.

Quote:During his meeting with leaders, Calderón said a military strategy alone can't end the violence plaguing Juárez, now Mexico's murder capital. He said his administration will focus more on generating jobs and investing in education and drug treatment programs to end the violence and restore law and order. He pledged $230 million for schools and civic improvements in the city.

But he said that the thousands of troops deployed in Juárez would remain in place.

(02-15-2010 04:45 AM)NTMB Wrote:  

(02-15-2010 03:19 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(02-15-2010 03:09 AM)NTMB Wrote:  

(02-15-2010 02:56 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  If you guys say the tournament sessions that didnt involve memphis were empty in memphis then why not let another city hold the tournament.
Ill give you a couple good reasons why El Paso should have the tournament
1. With most of Juarez living in El Paso now, there is over 1 million people here.
2. The best food in the USA
3. Culture
4. Hospitality (Sun Bowl teams will tell you time and time again we provide a great atmosphere.)
5. The most important reason is.... FT. Bliss, with a high number of soldiers located in El Paso from all over the nation, why not give it a shot. Im sure there are soldiers touching all parts of our conference located here at Ft. Bliss, and I am sure they would love to go support their hometowns!

Ok, #1... are you really using Mexican illegals as an incentive?

You gotta be kidding! At what level did your education stop? Your sig says something about ignorance.

Ciudad Juárez is in Mexico, no? Si.

If "most of Juarez" is "living in El Paso," it stands to reason we aren't talking about the native citizens of El Paso, but people who claim Juarez as home. If this is the case, it sounds to me like we're talking about Mexicans of non-US citizenship. ergo... illegals living in El Paso.

See, there is logic at work here. It may be flawed in my original premise concerning the identity of the people referred to in the phrase "Juarez living in El Paso," but my logic works fine. So does my sarcasm.

It is not ignorant to recognize that there are quite a few illegal immigrants crossing the Texas border annually. But calling someone ignorant for mentioning it, is quite hypocritical... dumb@ss.

And if the following is any sign of what is being imported, I sure as hell won't be darkening the sands of El Paso any time soon...

El Linko

You Chihuahuans sure are a touchy bunch.

Quote:During his meeting with leaders, Calderón said a military strategy alone can't end the violence plaguing Juárez, now Mexico's murder capital. He said his administration will focus more on generating jobs and investing in education and drug treatment programs to end the violence and restore law and order. He pledged $230 million for schools and civic improvements in the city.

But he said that the thousands of troops deployed in Juárez would remain in place.

Thank you,
do you know what an illegal is?
do you know about dual citizenship?
do you not know that talking about something you really do not know anything about or have an understanding of is quite uneducated.... ergo a dumb @ss?
do you want me to stop, because there is a lot more I can point out?
if you cant spell or research a topic properly then I suggest you not comment on it! Its chihuahuense, not chihuahuans, but I wouldnt expect someone with your level of education to know that, actually I am impressed you were able to google chihuahua.
and it only took you 2 hours and 30 minutes to research all that info and come up with that erroneous reply.
So I again ask... At what level did your education stop?
I don't want to be a dick head, but I hate it when people talk as if they know something when they really have no clue.

Why are we all fighting? Let's share some hot, delicious Chico's Tacos together

El Paso is a great town. It would be nice to have the tournament there if the city was 700 miles farther east.

make a whole lot more sense to have the tourney in Orlando than in El Paso. Travel costs would be cheaper for everyone, with the distance less for most all schools in Confusa. And Orlando isn't lacking in things to do.

If they do award El Paso the tourny, I hope they don't televise any of the games except the ones UTEP is in because it will be an empty arena and extremely embarrassing.

Touchy Miners fans: I don't think anyone here is saying that El Paso is a bad place, or that Miners fans and UTEP
aren't worthy. In fact I made the point that it probably wouldn't be any different than when it's been in Memphis
with unimpressive support from the other schools. But now, CUSA is improving, and it's more likely that people
from other schools would follow their teams. Say, Marshall, Tulsa, or UAB for instance. Those schools in the past
have at least brought a few hundred fans to Memphis, and UTEP as well. Asking any other schools in CUSA to
bring fans to El Paso, however, is unrealistic. Not because they don't like El Paso, or the arena, or whatever, but
simply because of location. But hey, if the tourney is held there, I'll be proud for you. I actually do think the tourney
should rotate to different cities each year... It's just unfortunate you're so far away!

(02-14-2010 11:48 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-14-2010 11:39 PM)newtiger Wrote:  lets do it in dallas at cowboys stadium

I vote for this. Hard to top that venue.

YEAH, WHAT THEY SAID!!!!!!!!

UTEP brought all of 15 fans when the tournament was here.

even Marty Robbins fell in love with a Mexican girl from El Paso...and that was in 1959. was Feleena legal?

more importantly, was she a basketball fan? would she show up for the CUSA tourny?

i doubt it. bring it back home to Memphis, where it belongs.

(02-15-2010 08:25 AM)missjtiger Wrote:  If they do award El Paso the tourny, I hope they don't televise any of the games except the ones UTEP is in because it will be an empty arena and extremely embarrassing.

while that is true it is also true of the non-Tiger games when the tourny is here.

nobody in this conference travels well except for Memphis, so i can see where the distance may not necessarily be a factor.

what would concern me is hotel space, adequate practice, etc. i don't know anything specifically about it except many people have said El Paso lacks in those areas.

however, the bottom line is the bottom line. if the city of el paso ponies up big bucks to the conference, they should get a look (and pray UTEP makes it to the finals).

(02-15-2010 08:54 AM)UMTigerfan Wrote:  

(02-15-2010 08:25 AM)missjtiger Wrote:  If they do award El Paso the tourny, I hope they don't televise any of the games except the ones UTEP is in because it will be an empty arena and extremely embarrassing.

while that is true it is also true of the non-Tiger games when the tourny is here.

nobody in this conference travels well except for Memphis, so i can see where the distance may not necessarily be a factor.

what would concern me is hotel space, adequate practice, etc. i don't know anything specifically about it except many people have said El Paso lacks in those areas.

however, the bottom line is the bottom line. if the city of el paso ponies up big bucks to the conference, they should get a look (and pray UTEP makes it to the finals).

I haven't missed a game yet when the tourny was here, and yes, although the crowd was sparse for the non-tiger games during the day, at least there were several hundred tiger fans to watch.....I'm betting in El Paso it would be much much less.