I see this morning that UTSA and Colorado State sign 4 year home and home deal. UTSA and UNT provide two large state universities for CUSA.

(05-25-2010 08:15 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  I want to say one other thing here. Tulsa U is well thought of; we are, after all, good enough to have Notre Dame schedule us.

But that is not the point I want to make here. Tulsa has Oklahoma Sooners scheduled 2-1 in football and will play in basketball rotating among the sites of Tulsa, OKC, and Norman.

What Tulsa U needs to do is swallow some pride and schedule OSU 2-1 and go for a better basketball deal. Basically, TU needs a repeat of its current contract for a 2-1 football series and 2-2 basketball series with TU to keep all monies from the BOK game.

I wouldn't play OU and OSU in the same year but play OU every 3rd year and play OSU in years 1 and 2.

Playing OU and OSU regularly is prestigous and keeps TU at the forefront publicity wise. Does Texas U and TAMU play Houston, SMU, or TCU regularly. No, they don't.

A conference is a foundation. Playing OU and OSU is also a foundation.

Glad to hear from you. But I disagree with the 2-1 contracts with OU/OSU or any "local" school. This is the reason we haven't had a BCS school in Chapman since OU a few years ago. It also allows these local BCS schools to bring THEIR officials to our venue along with their fans which puts us at a huge disadvantage in the win column. In effect, it isn't a home game for us, its a neutral game for them. That isn't fair. At least we could sell out a home game vs KU, KState, Baylor or Tech etc with our new seating capacity and have our fans be FOR us. We don't need OU/OSU anymore and we don't need our local fans truned into "their" fans in our venue IMO.

Thanks for your input.

(05-11-2010 11:09 AM)rabidTU Wrote:  Step 3 - The remaining eastern MWC teams (NM, TCU, AF, CSU and Wyoming) talk the Big 12 rejects and Houston and UTEP into forming a league or restructuring an existing conference. That is 12 teams who have a chance at BCS AQ status and money. Then UCF, Memphis, ECU, USM or Marshall are headed farther east.

Step 4 - What we have left is what Bill Self referred to as a "crap league" of SMU, TU, UAB, Rice and Tulane. That becomes ugly very fast and is a program killer. Hope that doesn't happen.

Say you have three groups of teams:
Group One = Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, and Texas Tech.

Group Two = Air Force, Colorado State, New Mexico, TCU, and Wyoming.

Group Three = C-USA's Western Division.

And now say that Group One must choose whether it would rather be affiliated with Group Two or Group Three in a conference.

I would say with high confidence that Group One would much rather be linked up with Group Three instead of Group Two, ESPECIALLY if Air Force can be brought in as Team #12.

I think TCU would probably be the choice over Air Force in that scenario. That of course would be the perfect scenario for Tulsa.....but also a lot of wishful thinking. It's hard to imagine Tulsa coming out of this smelling like a rose if a major shake up occurs.

(05-26-2010 10:08 AM)jfisher Wrote:  I think TCU would probably be the choice over Air Force in that scenario.

Why? Because TCU is better in football right now?

If you were in charge of selling football tickets at Iowa State or whatever, who would you rather see on the schedule every 2 or 3 years? "Air Force" or "TCU"? Which do you think is easier to gin up interest among alumni and local media?

TCU would get the majority vote of that group because, natural rivalries, easy for fans to travel, fits the footprint of other conference schools and better in all sports in most years. No contest really.

Obviously, jfisher and I don't see things eye to eye on the Air Force/TCU question. Which is fine.

For the most part, I've stopped commenting on the whole "Expansion" issue because the whole story has gotten so confused and convoluted and unlikely (Vanderbilt to the Big Ten? Seriously?) that additional discussion just seems irrelevant and I'd rather wait and see what actually happens.

I willingly admit that TCU has built up a very solid football program in the last decade or so. Good for them. I still say that Air Force brings a lot more to the table in terms of fan-interest, media-interest, and academics, than TCU. But we're trying to project 4- or 5- moves ahead in a very complex game involving multiple players and shifting loyalties. Nobody really knows what's going to happen for sure.

(05-11-2010 11:09 AM)rabidTU Wrote:  Step 1 - KU, KSU, ISU, TT and Baylor are left out as CU, Neb, MU, OU OSU, UT and A@M find new homes in the Pac, Big 10 and SEC.

OU & OSU aren't going anywhere. Who would take them? The Pac 10? No. The Big 10? No. The SEC? Maybe OU by themselves, but if they are handcuffed to OSU by the State politicians.... I see OU being left behind.

Agreed the Pac-10 and the Big-10 would not accept Oklahoma or Oklahoma State.

The SEC may or may not. But I don't think they would just slam the door shut out of dislike for Okie State.

(05-26-2010 01:12 PM)West Coast Johnny Wrote:  

(05-11-2010 11:09 AM)rabidTU Wrote:  Step 1 - KU, KSU, ISU, TT and Baylor are left out as CU, Neb, MU, OU OSU, UT and A@M find new homes in the Pac, Big 10 and SEC.

OU & OSU aren't going anywhere. Who would take them? The Pac 10? No. The Big 10? No. The SEC? Maybe OU by themselves, but if they are handcuffed to OSU by the State politicians.... I see OU being left behind.

If the Governor of Texas wasn't a Baylor alum when the Big 12 was formed, TCU would probably be in the Big 12 right now, so politics can play apart in college athletics. OSU may be strong enough politically in Okla to make it a package deal with OU but you are right, that could hurt OU in terms of where they end up. If you have OU, you don't need OSU to control the TV sets in Okla. Native Georgian you are right, everyone is guessing what's going to happen. If the Big 10 only goes to 12, one team, to have a championship game, there will hardly be a ripple on the college scene. Then most likely the PAC 10 would go to 12 and have a championship game too but even then there wouldn't be any major changes. If both those changes occurred CUSA might, just might, lose one team so there is very little change to the college football landscape.

(05-11-2010 11:09 AM)rabidTU Wrote:  Step 1 - KU, KSU, ISU, TT and Baylor are left out as CU, Neb, MU, OU OSU, UT and A@M find new homes in the Pac, Big 10 and SEC.

Step 2 - The MWC breaks up and some merge with the WAC minus BYU, Utah or Boise.

Step 3 - The remaining eastern MWC teams (NM, TCU, AF, CSU and Wyoming) talk the Big 12 rejects and Houston and UTEP into forming a league or restructuring an existing conference. That is 12 teams who have a chance at BCS AQ status and money. Then UCF, Memphis, ECU, USM or Marshall are headed farther east.

Step 4 - What we have left is what Bill Self referred to as a "crap league" of SMU, TU, UAB, Rice and Tulane. That becomes ugly very fast and is a program killer. Hope that doesn't happen.
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