(08-20-2010 01:48 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(08-20-2010 01:44 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I'll tell you why WVU doesn't want to play Marshall. When the Mountaineers play the Herd and win, it's no big deal. The entire nation says, It was Marshall. WVU should beat them handily. We gain nothing. All the advantages are on Marshall's side. It's a no win situation for WVU...

Frankly, I'd rather use this game slot for another BCS conference team...

With that logic you shouldn't be playing MOST non-BCS schools.

There I FIFY. Marshall isn't TCU, Fresno, Boise, BYU, Utah (soon to be a BCS school anyway), ECU, Houston, Navy, Air Force or UCF where you might not always get the respect of you beat X, but you won't get the big deal you beat Y and likely won't get the you lost to Z as long as it was close.

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Not really. ECU is a good school for home and home, because the largest WVU alumni base south of Morgantown resides in North Carolina. That gives them a chance to get to a Mountaineer game close to home, or see the game on local TV, if they don't go to the game...

There are other schools that present similar advantages, ones that Marshall fans don't care to understand. But Marshall gives us nothing. The game will be televised in Huntington on the Mountaineer Sports Network, whether the game is in Huntington or Morgantown. WVU's local broadcast area includes the entire State of West Virginia, and a bit of the surrounding states along the border. So WVU alumni will see the game no matter what...

There's no advantage for WVU in holding games in Huntington. The only advantage is for the Herd. Why should Mountaineer fans care about giving Marshall any advantages?
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I love playing ECU. It's a good rivalry. They've done 2 things MU hasn't done, Gave us a good game, and beat us. I wish we could play a home and home with ECU every year.

Oliver Luck is looking to extend that series. It is a good series for WVU, and it's NC alumni base...

(08-20-2010 02:10 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Oliver Luck is looking to extend that series. It is a good series for WVU, and it's NC alumni base...

Id like to get a series going with UNC. Last time we played them in the Bowl down there, it was great.

(08-20-2010 02:06 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(08-20-2010 01:52 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  So for WVU you HAVE TO play all of your AWAY GAMES at stadiums as large or larger than WVU's stadium and receive HALF of the proceeds for the state to not lose any money.

Good luck with that.

Not really. ECU is a good school for home and home, because the largest WVU alumni base south of Morgantown resides in North Carolina. That gives them a chance to get to a Mountaineer game close to home, or see the game on local TV, if they don't go to the game...

There are other schools that present similar advantages, ones that Marshall fans don't care to understand. But Marshall gives us nothing. The game will be televised in Huntington on the Mountaineer Sports Network, whether the game is in Huntington or Morgantown. WVU's local broadcast area includes the entire State of West Virginia, and a bit of the surrounding states along the border. So WVU alumni will see the game no matter what...

There's no advantage for WVU in holding games in Huntington. The only advantage is for the Herd. Why should Mountaineer fans care about giving Marshall any advantages?

It's in the State of WV's best interest to give Marshall advantages. Ones you WVU fans don't care to understand. As a tax payer (you do live in WV don't you) you should want Marshall to grow, expand, and get into a BCS position.

Why? Because your tax dollars are coming to Marshall whether we are small or large. Your return on investment demands it. So yes, you should care about giving Marshall an advantage.

The State of West Virginia gets a far better return on its investment in Morgantown...

And now I'm done with this argument. You can argue until your blue in the face and it won't budge my opinion one iota...

(08-20-2010 01:32 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The entire State of West Virginia loses money when WVU plays at Marshall. I guess the monetary figures I gave you passed 70,000 feet over your head...

When WVU plays Marshall in Morgantown they are paying them about 5 times less than what they have to pay a UNLV to come to town. WVU is not losing money and the state is not losing money. Your argument is a ridiculous one. As I said but it obviously passed over your head by a mile, by your silly arguments every time WVU leaves the state -5 times a year last I checked, they are costing the state money. Happens to the tune of hundreds of thousands to millions every year. Funny it only matters when its Marshall though. Yeah, great argument.

(08-20-2010 02:08 PM)thecomet89 Wrote:  [quote='bitcruncher' pid='5650914' dateline='1282331185']
Not really. ECU is a good school for home and home, because the largest WVU alumni base south of Morgantown resides in North Carolina. That gives them a chance to get to a Mountaineer game close to home, or see the game on local TV, if they don't go to the game...

There are other schools that present similar advantages, ones that Marshall fans don't care to understand. But Marshall gives us nothing. The game will be televised in Huntington on the Mountaineer Sports Network, whether the game is in Huntington or Morgantown. WVU's local broadcast area includes the entire State of West Virginia, and a bit of the surrounding states along the border. So WVU alumni will see the game no matter what...

There's no advantage for WVU in holding games in Huntington. The only advantage is for the Herd. Why should Mountaineer fans care about giving Marshall any advantages?
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I love playing ECU. It's a good rivalry. They've done 2 things MU hasn't done, Gave us a good game, and beat us. I wish we could play a home and home with ECU every year.

If WVU really wanted to please the alumni in North Carolina then there are about 4 BCS programs there and two in South Carolina they could schedule. Stewart is personal friends with Grobe another West Virginia native at Wake--no doubt they could get a BCS level home and home going to please "alumni" in North Carolina, not to mention any of the other BCS schools. The only reasons Pastilong signed a long term deal with ECU was because it was easy and he wanted to screw up the "coal bowl". Last time I checked the game is on national television against Marshall, the same as it was last time they played in Huntington. As I have previously posted ESPN wanted this game every year but couldn't get a deal worked out with the parties. WVU nixed the game being on nationally as ESPN tried to do when this new series started up. What does ECU get you? last time espn360

(08-20-2010 04:41 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  When WVU plays Marshall in Morgantown they are paying them about 5 times less than what they have to pay a UNLV to come to town. WVU is not losing money and the state is not losing money. Your argument is a ridiculous one. As I said but it obviously passed over your head by a mile, by your silly arguments every time WVU leaves the state -5 times a year last I checked, they are costing the state money. Happens to the tune of hundreds of thousands to millions every year. Funny it only matters when its Marshall though. Yeah, great argument.

Oliver Luck feels the same way that I do. He wants 2-1 to continue the Marshall deal, and he was a Rhodes Scholar candidate. I figure he's a hell of a lot smarter than your dumb @ss...

No reason for WVU to play Marshall on a home and home basis. None.

No reason for WVU and Marshall not to play a home-home series except baseless excuses.

(08-20-2010 05:13 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(08-20-2010 04:41 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  When WVU plays Marshall in Morgantown they are paying them about 5 times less than what they have to pay a UNLV to come to town. WVU is not losing money and the state is not losing money. Your argument is a ridiculous one. As I said but it obviously passed over your head by a mile, by your silly arguments every time WVU leaves the state -5 times a year last I checked, they are costing the state money. Happens to the tune of hundreds of thousands to millions every year. Funny it only matters when its Marshall though. Yeah, great argument.

Oliver Luck feels the same way that I do. He wants 2-1 to continue the Marshall deal, and he was a Rhodes Scholar candidate. I figure he's a hell of a lot smarter than your dumb @ss...

Showing your (lack of) intelligence again huh bit? Can't construct a rational argument so you resort to personal attacks and vulgarities again huh? OOh your so scary.

(08-20-2010 09:40 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-20-2010 09:10 AM)buckaineer Wrote:  The state doesn't lose any money when this game is played--certainly beats paying out of state teams of no particular interest or importance nearly 5 times what MU is paid for a game. Don't know if they will work it out but they might. If the state wants it done it will be done.

Ding!!

All payments/revenues are kept IN the State of WV...and that is a GOOD thing.

As long as WVU has FIVE non-conf dates to fill...and Marshall has 4...it makes sense for this game to be played.

I'm glad this year's game is on National TV...as its a great showcase for the state.

NOTE: Prior to this latest WVU/Marshall series starting up in 2006, here are some teams WVU brought to campus from 2000-2005 and the payments to those schools went OUT-OF-STATE:

Idaho
Ohio
Kent State
Div I-AA Tenn Chattanooga
Div I-AA James Madison
Div I-AA Wofford

Since 2006, WVU still brought in these out-of-state teams for games which included:

Div I-AA Eastern Washington
Western Mich
Div I-AA Villanova
Div I-AA Liberty

There is PLENTY of room on WVU's (and Marshall's) schedule to keep this series going.


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Those are actually NOT correct because playing Marshall will NOT replace the 1AA teams that WV might sign for a home only match up

As a WVU fan, alum, & citizen of WV......I'd like to see us play Marshall. I believe that the 2 for 1 deal is better for us until they can win a few games in the series. Once they start winning a few (and if you play a team every year, eventually they will win a game), there should not be a problem with scheduling a home & home series. You have to admit, 2 for 1 is better then what Marshall has with WVU now.

(08-19-2010 10:16 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5477716

excerpt:

Longtime WVU athletic director Ed Pastilong had said a home-and-home series with Marshall wasn't feasible, and he wanted a 2-for-1 agreement. Luck apparently hasn't backed down from that.

"West Virginia has indicated they want to go 2 for 1," Hamrick said. "So we'll just have to see how that plays out and we're discussing all that and talking about that.

"The discussions have been good. They've been professional, very cordial."

Luck will say only that the pair have talked.

there is absolutely no way this has a damn thing to do with money. i personally think we should play marshall every freaking year. when i was at wvu in the mid 80's, we didnt play marshall because they were 1-AA; fair enough. but now, marshall is FBS, and we should play. period. marshall is much better than the crap we play maybe with the exception of ecu. so what if marshall beats us? hell, we are now in a bcs conference. if they beat us, that means they are better than us. screw that same old b.s. arguement we have nothing to gain and everything to lose. tell me, what exactly will wvu lose. hell, its not like we've won the national championship. in college football memory is short term. if mu beats us, which they will if we keep on playing, so freaking what. they won, and hopefully they will continue to win every game on their schedule. additionally, when we beat mu, like we have each year, then i immediately become a mu fan. i want them to go 12-1 or 13-1. hell people, its a damn game. further, the national perception of the big east is not going to change if marshall beats wvu. please...

WVU fans opposed to renewing the Marshall series, you have to admit that your rational for not renewing a long term home and home series is almost verbatim the same arguments that PSU have about playing Pitt an annual series on equal footing. It doesn't matter to me what WVU does regarding scheduling Marshall; however, I find it exceedingly odd that WVU is more than willing to play long term series with ECU as equals while they think of Marshall as a POS team. Honestly, either both are worthy of your respect or neither are worthy of your respect. There is zero reason to why WVU treats these schools so differently considering they are both in the same division of the same conference. If WVU was truly committed to wanting to play one game a year in the state of NC, there are 4 other BCS schools that would be available to play a series of 2 game series on a rotating basis. If you expand the area a little more, then you could also add in VT (if they'll play you again), Clemson and South Carolina. I'm sorry, but you guys should be having major questions as to why ECU your school is considering ECU as an equal that you are more than willing to get into bed with.

Wow.....ok try to follow along

Quote:WVU fans opposed to renewing the Marshall series, you have to admit that your rational for not renewing a long term home and home series is almost verbatim the same arguments that PSU have about playing Pitt an annual series on equal footing

-- First off...WVU and Marshall have only played a total of nine times in the histories of their football programs. There is no and never has been a " long term" home and home. If you trying to take the tradition angle then WVU has played ECU much more frequently and of course its not even close in terms of games played to an actual traditional non conference foe like Maryland

Quote: I find it exceedingly odd that WVU is more than willing to play long term series with ECU as equals while they think of Marshall as a POS team. Honestly, either both are worthy of your respect or neither are worthy of your respect. There is zero reason to why WVU treats these schools so differently considering they are both in the same division of the same conference. If WVU was truly committed to wanting to play one game a year in the state of NC, there are 4 other BCS schools that would be available to play a series of 2 game series on a rotating basis. If you expand the area a little more, then you could also add in VT (if they'll play you again), Clemson and South Carolina. I'm sorry, but you guys should be having major questions as to why ECU your school is considering ECU as an equal that you are more than willing to get into bed with.

Now obviously I haven't been in any AD meetings, but from everything I have read WVU has tried to schedule games with other teams in North Carolina plus UVA, Va Tech and Naval Academy. I remember reading maybe six or seven years ago WVU desperatly tried to play a football game against Duke but was not able to. Right now East Carolina is the only one willing to play.

Again, Va Tech has given ECU a one for one and given Marshall a two for one so there is regional precedent for teating the schools differently. Its not just WVU.

Also, like it or not, WVU and ECU have been old allies. Everytime expansion has come up WVU has pushed for ECU to be in. I can't speak for this administration, but from the outside looking I don't think the outgoing athletic director trusted Marshall because of the broken agreement in the late 1990s. At the very least it got relations off to a rough start.

Now, I've read through several of these threads, and the one question that no one has been able to answer is how does playing Marshall help the West Virginia football program? I understand how it helps Marshall. Marshall football can't get state wide coverage without WVU. Marshall can't sell out its staduim without WVU. Marshall needs more fans, in the only way to do that is try to convert WVU fans and the best way to do that is to play and beat WVU. I understand all that, but what does the game give WVU? Attendance hasn't been noticably higher then for other games. The game isn't in demand by the tv networks, and certainly WVU has never had problems getting on ESPN/ABC. Huntington is not a recruiting hotbed of talent, even by WV standards. WVU alums/fans in the Kanawha Valley can drive to Morgantown.

The best argument you guys can give me about the benefits for the WVU football program is the "its good for the state", and if WVU has to lose money on the series then that's regrettable but necessary. This isn't charity. If the state government does try to force a game, perhaps the athletic director should demand that the state legislature compensate WVU for the lost revenue or perhaps pay for the construction of the second tier of luxary boxes that have been on the drawing board. If the Governor wants the game so bad, the state can be the ones that lose money over it

Truth be told, I don't mind the game as long as the contract is construced in way to ensure WVU gets its seven home games a year and maybe an 8th home game every now and then (which will mean a 2-1). I would strongly suspect that the state government will NOT get involved this time with Manchin more then likely being in DC and a new lame duck governor in place with a only a couple years to reeelection.

Jackson

(08-28-2010 06:25 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  Wow.....ok try to follow along

Quote:WVU fans opposed to renewing the Marshall series, you have to admit that your rational for not renewing a long term home and home series is almost verbatim the same arguments that PSU have about playing Pitt an annual series on equal footing

-- First off...WVU and Marshall have only played a total of nine times in the histories of their football programs. There is no and never has been a " long term" home and home. If you trying to take the tradition angle then WVU has played ECU much more frequently and of course its not even close in terms of games played to an actual traditional non conference foe like Maryland

What does the number of times the game has been played have to do with anything? MU wanted to play WVU from the time they moved up until now--it took state government involvement to get the game played just within the last several seasons.

Quote: I find it exceedingly odd that WVU is more than willing to play long term series with ECU as equals while they think of Marshall as a POS team. Honestly, either both are worthy of your respect or neither are worthy of your respect. There is zero reason to why WVU treats these schools so differently considering they are both in the same division of the same conference. If WVU was truly committed to wanting to play one game a year in the state of NC, there are 4 other BCS schools that would be available to play a series of 2 game series on a rotating basis. If you expand the area a little more, then you could also add in VT (if they'll play you again), Clemson and South Carolina. I'm sorry, but you guys should be having major questions as to why ECU your school is considering ECU as an equal that you are more than willing to get into bed with.

Now obviously I haven't been in any AD meetings, but from everything I have read WVU has tried to schedule games with other teams in North Carolina plus UVA, Va Tech and Naval Academy. I remember reading maybe six or seven years ago WVU desperatly tried to play a football game against Duke but was not able to. Right now East Carolina is the only one willing to play.

I haven't seen anything to suggest WVU has approached all of these schools and it is pretty unbelievable that not one of the ACC schools in the area would schedule a 1-1 with WVU. WVU stadium is bigger than all but a few in the area. Jim Grobe at Wake is friends with Stewart and even recommended the offensive coordinator. WVU not too long ago had games with the naval academy so that isn't a strong argument either.

Again, Va Tech has given ECU a one for one and given Marshall a two for one so there is regional precedent for teating the schools differently. Its not just WVU.

What VT does with ECU has nothing to do with what WVU does. VT and UVa do play--even did when UVA was ACC and VT was more or less mid major before the Big East.

Also, like it or not, WVU and ECU have been old allies. Everytime expansion has come up WVU has pushed for ECU to be in. I can't speak for this administration, but from the outside looking I don't think the outgoing athletic director trusted Marshall because of the broken agreement in the late 1990s. At the very least it got relations off to a rough start.

WVU hasn't pushed for ECU to be in. There is no evidence to support this at all. Some fans liking them is not the same as the administration pushing for their inclusion.

Now, I've read through several of these threads, and the one question that no one has been able to answer is how does playing Marshall help the West Virginia football program? I understand how it helps Marshall. Marshall football can't get state wide coverage without WVU. Marshall can't sell out its staduim without WVU. Marshall needs more fans, in the only way to do that is try to convert WVU fans and the best way to do that is to play and beat WVU. I understand all that, but what does the game give WVU? Attendance hasn't been noticably higher then for other games.

Up until last year the MU game had been one of the higher attended games in the more recent series. The first modern game over 65,000 people attended the game. By your words, even last year with the "lowest" home attendance it wasn't far off from the rest of the teams and there were extenuating circumstances such as the WVU student section not attending and MU fans making a statement to their administration about their bad football coach who was fired.
The game isn't in demand by the tv networks, and certainly WVU has never had problems getting on ESPN/ABC. Huntington is not a recruiting hotbed of talent, even by WV standards. WVU alums/fans in the Kanawha Valley can drive to Morgantown.

The tv networks tried to get this game on yearly and ESPN even attempted to have it put on playing on a neutral field. They couldn't get the parties to agree as both wanted home games. ESPN tried to telecast the initial game at WVU in the new series and WVU refused to allow them rights to telecast it. When at MU it has been on national tv each time and no doubt would continue to be if it is continued. ECU on the other hand garners ESPN 360 coverage of late. The WVU recruiting coordinator also said North Carolina is not a good recruiting area for non ACC schools but somehow that is a good series?

The best argument you guys can give me about the benefits for the WVU football program is the "its good for the state", and if WVU has to lose money on the series then that's regrettable but necessary. This isn't charity. If the state government does try to force a game, perhaps the athletic director should demand that the state legislature compensate WVU for the lost revenue or perhaps pay for the construction of the second tier of luxary boxes that have been on the drawing board. If the Governor wants the game so bad, the state can be the ones that lose money over it

WVU DOESN't lose money on the series. WVU pays more for home games with 1-AA schools $100,000 more and up. For FBS teams? WVU is paying schools like UNLV four times the amount they are paying Marshall for a home game. when they travel to Huntington they are getting a guaranteed rate and 5,000 tickets to profit from-more than other schools give out generally. Also travel to Huntington is much less expensive for WVU than it is for most other opponents. TV is also involved-don't know how the contracts work but WVU likely receives something for an appearance even as the visitor. As far as the "charity" b.s. the state of WV sends milions of dollars of state taxpayer dollars to WVU each year as they do to MU at a lower rate. The government of WV has deemed this is an important game for both schools and want the game played to benefit both schools. It isn't about what WVU wants, it is about what the state deems is in the best interest of the state unless WVU doesn't want money for the rest of its school and programs from the state. To pretend WVU has never had any state money come into its programs even athletic programs from the state is just baloney.

Truth be told, I don't mind the game as long as the contract is construced in way to ensure WVU gets its seven home games a year and maybe an 8th home game every now and then (which will mean a 2-1). I would strongly suspect that the state government will NOT get involved this time with Manchin more then likely being in DC and a new lame duck governor in place with a only a couple years to reeelection.

If WVU is playing a school like ECU 1-1 then MU is no different. I've watched this silly argument for years and it just keeps progressing. First it was they aren't 1-A, they moved up. Then it was stadium size and they expanded. Then it was WVU doesn't play at MAC schools, they moved to CUSA (and rendered moot when EP signed a ridiculous agreement with ECU obviously to block the MU game). There was the "we need the space to schedule BCS schools" then WVU preceded to fill out the schedule with 1-AA, MAC and other CUSA schools rather than BCS programs. A game was played and some on the WVU side concocted a story about MU backing out of an agreement that according to records and state newspapers never existed in the first place. The governor solved that excuse by giving WVU essentially a 5-2.

They are the only two 1-A schools in the state, no reason they shouldn't play. It harms WVU in no way. The state which funds both universities extensively likes it and wants it to date.

Jackson

Well Buck, looks like were going to have to start this dance again...

Quote:What does the number of times the game has been played have to do with anything? MU wanted to play WVU from the time they moved up until now--it took state government involvement to get the game played just within the last several seasons.

Post was addressed to the Pitt poster who called the series long standing. Just pointing out that is not and never has been so the PSU/Pitt comparsion does not apply, at least in my view

Quote:I haven't seen anything to suggest WVU has approached all of these schools and it is pretty unbelievable that not one of the ACC schools in the area would schedule a 1-1 with WVU. WVU stadium is bigger than all but a few in the area. Jim Grobe at Wake is friends with Stewart and even recommended the offensive coordinator. WVU not too long ago had games with the naval academy so that isn't a strong argument either.

-- I can't comment on Wake's non conference scheduling philospy. I do know that Coach Rod was at least profesionally close with the old coach at Navy and current coach at Ga Tech and that didn't get us a series with the Academy either. The last time I heard this discussed, WVU would have prefered having a game @ Navy one yr then @ Maryalnd the next yr or basically to have a game in the DC area every year.

Quote:What VT does with ECU has nothing to do with what WVU does. VT and UVa do play--even did when UVA was ACC and VT was more or less mid major before the Big East.

Quote:If WVU is playing a school like ECU 1-1 then MU is no different

Its important because you and many people on here see no difference between Marshall and ECU and that WVU was/is being unfair. I was trying to point out Va Tech saw a difference between the two and as agreed to a much longer more even series with ECU. Personally, I see WVU and Va Tech has historically very similar type programs so the precedent set by one should be taken into account. I doubt one can accuse VA Tech of being unfair towards Marshall, so they must see ECU has more valuable non conference game

Quote:Up until last year the MU game had been one of the higher attended games in the more recent series. The first modern game over 65,000 people attended the game. By your words, even last year with the "lowest" home attendance it wasn't far off from the rest of the teams and there were extenuating circumstances such as the WVU student section not attending and MU fans making a statement to their administration about their bad football coach who was fired

-- A game which was also Marshall first as a D1 program so of course it would draw more Herd fans. The 65k number isn't relevent anymore because the staduim only seats 60k now. I would much rather play a one and done with UNLV and draw 53k then play a home and home with Marshall and draw 58k because you get the extra home game the next year.

Quote:WVU hasn't pushed for ECU to be in. There is no evidence to support this at all. Some fans liking them is not the same as the administration pushing for their inclusion.

Wow, have you ever heard Pastilong or RR talk about that issue? WVU wanted ECU over USF. IF I remember right RR even said that on his weekly raido show?

Quote:The tv networks tried to get this game on yearly and ESPN even attempted to have it put on playing on a neutral field. They couldn't get the parties to agree as both wanted home games. ESPN tried to telecast the initial game at WVU in the new series and WVU refused to allow them rights to telecast it. When at MU it has been on national tv each time and no doubt would continue to be if it is continued. ECU on the other hand garners ESPN 360 coverage of late. The WVU recruiting coordinator also said North Carolina is not a good recruiting area for non ACC schools but somehow that is a good series?

Again...not seeing a difference. The last couple games @ Greenville were on ESPN...and actually ESPN at a normal saturday time. The ECU@WVU games were on regional tv just like the Marshall games. Have never heard a peep about the tv issue that you keep mentioning but on the surface that strikes as breaking the Big East football tv contract with ESPN if true

Aside from the NC alumuni who can watch the game...don't forget that Greenville is very close to the Tidewater VA area were WVU does get a lot of kids.

Quote:WVU DOESN't lose money on the series. WVU pays more for home games with 1-AA schools $100,000 more and up. For FBS teams? WVU is paying schools like UNLV four times the amount they are paying Marshall for a home game. when they travel to Huntington they are getting a guaranteed rate and 5,000 tickets to profit from-more than other schools give out generally. Also travel to Huntington is much less expensive for WVU than it is for most other opponents. TV is also involved-don't know how the contracts work but WVU likely receives something for an appearance even as the visitor. As far as the "charity" b.s. the state of WV sends milions of dollars of state taxpayer dollars to WVU each year as they do to MU at a lower rate. The government of WV has deemed this is an important game for both schools and want the game played to benefit both schools. It isn't about what WVU wants, it is about what the state deems is in the best interest of the state unless WVU doesn't want money for the rest of its school and programs from the state. To pretend WVU has never had any state money come into its programs even athletic programs from the state is just baloney.

The game does not lose money for WVU now. It may in the future depending on how the new contract reads. Certainly a singular home and home is doable or a long term 2-1. However many fans would like to see a perpetual home and home and other those conditions then the lost home games would lead to a loss of revenue.

Again, the state government contributes to WVU academically but NOT to the football program. Frankly, I agree with that stance. Its not the tax payers job to make sure Noel Devine's scholi is payed for. However, if you take that route then you should lose the ability to make these kind of demands. If the state government is going to cost the WVU athletic deparment two million dollars every other year in revenue lost from extra home games in order to play Marshall for a home and home then its not out of the question to seek compensation or the financial support from the state budget that fmany other state flagship schools get for their sports programs.

Quote:They are the only two 1-A schools in the state, no reason they shouldn't play. It harms WVU in no way. The state which funds both universities extensively likes it and wants it to date.

I never understood the instate argument. Why should WVU give extra home games up ( and millions of dollars) just because Marshall wants a home and home? I don't see it. Again, you seem to be describing somesort of charity case were WVU should give up the home games and cash out of the goodness of thier hearts.

YOu have written a lot about this subject the last few weeks but I'm still waiting to here what's in it for our footbal program. You said above that it doesn't harm WVU (well...except for the lost millions of dollars a home and home would cost, right) How does it help WVU? Shouldn't your non league games help you by giving you exposure in recruiting area or giving games for alums around the country to come and see?

Funny thing about this is....you guys see the ECU series and wonder why can't WVU give Marshall a home and home. I see the UNLV and Bowling Green one and dones and wonder why were even going to Huntington at all?
Jackson

(08-28-2010 10:29 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  Funny thing about this is....you guys see the ECU series and wonder why can't WVU give Marshall a home and home. I see the UNLV and Bowling Green one and dones and wonder why were even going to Huntington at all?
Jackson

Yup.