(08-24-2010 09:38 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I don't see why Georgetown or Villanova couldn't play a game or 2 on The BEast Network each year. All they'd need to do is schedule a game or 2 each year with one of the current BEast football schools. They'd could get a share of the proceeds from those games, which would be televised on the network. But as far as televising Patriot League conference games, forget that one...

Sure...any takers? Didn't think so.

The Patriot League doesn't have any a TV package because two of its schools (Lafayette, Lehigh) negotiated its own deals, broadcast its own games, and won't join a league package. Kind of like what awaits the Big 12 when Texas decides it wants its own network.

WVU played Villanova a couple years ago. If Georgetown wants a chance to be some future year's cannon fodder, have your AD call Oliver Luck...

(08-24-2010 09:40 AM)Hoquista Wrote:  

(08-24-2010 08:42 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I am not questioning the 80 mil. But that doesnt get 15 mil per fb team. Unless of course the BB schools get 0, and the new all sport members also get 0. 80 mil divided by 5 gets you 16. So congrats to the old BE schools, sorry newbies.

The difference would have to come from ABC/ESPN and CBS doubling the amount of money from the current TV contract while also receiving less content (assuming a BE network is created) since I am assuming that the other revenue outside of TV won't climb that much (ie bowl games and ncaa tourney credits) compared to TV.

Anyway, that would put the total value of TV rights in the area of $130 million ($50 million from ABC/ESPN/CBS) and $80 million from the TV network.

Keep in mind that the ACC is getting about $150-$160 million (IIRC) for their TV rights.

Don't know if the article was using network contracts along with a BEN or not.

I've seen speculation that the Big East could get at least triple what it earns now based on ratings, performance and markets--even more than the $50 million thrown out. No reason based on actualy results the network contract(s) should be less than a league like the ACC per team--should be more based on what has transpired since the raid. Hopefully football will have a very strong season this year as well since the negotiations will start soon thereafter.

(08-24-2010 12:27 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(08-24-2010 09:38 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I don't see why Georgetown or Villanova couldn't play a game or 2 on The BEast Network each year. All they'd need to do is schedule a game or 2 each year with one of the current BEast football schools. They'd could get a share of the proceeds from those games, which would be televised on the network. But as far as televising Patriot League conference games, forget that one...

Sure...any takers? Didn't think so.

The Patriot League doesn't have any a TV package because two of its schools (Lafayette, Lehigh) negotiated its own deals, broadcast its own games, and won't join a league package. Kind of like what awaits the Big 12 when Texas decides it wants its own network.

Has Georgetown ever shown any interest in playing current BE schools in football? Also, while Villanova has been quite good from time to time including currently, even rating well in polls used in BCS calculations, GU can't claim the same. Existing BE teams need to make sure they play a schedule with OOC teams not too far down the totem pole (although I won't try and explain coastal carolina? chalk that one up to the HC) because it can hurt badly when/if you get to rankings and BCS consideration.

(08-24-2010 08:45 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Whatever you question, email Navigate Marketing, stop the stupid speculations and ridiculous statements, and ask THEM...

I have no questions. I take them at their word 80mil. But I did stay at a holiday inn last knight, and I can do simple math. even with an espn deal, you dont get close to 15 mil per team.

(08-24-2010 02:12 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(08-24-2010 08:45 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Whatever you question, email Navigate Marketing, stop the stupid speculations and ridiculous statements, and ask THEM...

I have no questions. I take them at their word 80mil. But I did stay at a holiday inn last knight, and I can do simple math. even with an espn deal, you dont get close to 15 mil per team.

How do you know what an ESPN/ABC, CBS deal will do for the Big East?

(08-24-2010 02:11 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  (although I won't try and explain coastal carolina? chalk that one up to the HC)

That was so WVU alums in NC had another opportunity to watch the Mountaineers on TV...

(08-24-2010 02:12 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(08-24-2010 08:45 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Whatever you question, email Navigate Marketing, stop the stupid speculations and ridiculous statements, and ask THEM...

I have no questions. I take them at their word 80mil. But I did stay at a holiday inn last knight, and I can do simple math. even with an espn deal, you dont get close to 15 mil per team.

You are one of the people that didnt think that the BE would get the deal that it got last go round. But the BE got a deal that put it at an team average of a couple of million less than the acc teams were getting at the time. At the time that the acc got its deal, they had the largest average payout of any conference, even though that fact didnt last very long. So if the BE was able to get to a payout that was that close to the acc payouts, even though the BE had just been severely damaged by losing 3 members, what makes you think that the BE wont get close to that amount or surpass it in the next round of negotiations?
In 2005, the BE was an unknown league and noone, including, especially you had no idea that the BE would perform so well. Why are you so sure once again that the BE wont get its average revenue up there with the other conferences?

This is a good sign for when our TV contracts get renegotiated.

(08-24-2010 10:26 AM)swash Wrote:  

(08-23-2010 11:01 PM)Orange Eagles Wrote:  15+ Mil for each football school

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/101349094.html

Quote from article...

"Nelson pointed out that we're talking about revenue here, not profit. But given where college sports is headed, it's not out of the realm of possibility that the Big East Network is likely to happen in a few years."

"We think Big East schools that play football and basketball can generate around $15.2 million a year in revenue, while the schools that only play basketball can generate around $7.5 million in revenue," Nelson said.

He indicated that the schools could GENERATE $15.2 million each in REVENUE...not that they would GET $15.2 million in PROFIT. To us business types, that is a BIG difference. But its a smart move for the Big East...it would be a very nice card to hold when negotiations begin with ESPN/Fox/CBS et al in a few years.

Revenue would turn into a profit. It gives you much more money to play with. For example, Cincinnati made a 1 million dollar profit. Throw the Big East Network revenue and you're talking about a 16 million dollar profit. That is HUGE because that is money coming to you without operating expenses (such as, getting 1 million dollars from a team or a bowl game but having to pay for travel). I mean, unbelievably huge, and it's something we would control. And it would be worth it to keep the hybrid as long as we added two to four (preferrably 4) All-Sports schools to expand football.

(08-23-2010 11:33 PM)brista21 Wrote:  If that is in anyway accurate on the per school numbers which I doubt unless they're taking into account the traditional media rights deals for the big games, bowl revenue and NCAA revenue which is possible. If that's the case then we should see what those numbers look like with various configurations including the 4 usual non-BCS suspects, the usual ACC suspects (our 3 former colleagues, FSU, UMD), the Big 12 North schools and of course Penn State. It could be realistic to bring Miami, BC and/or Maryland (back) in to the fold especially BC.

Exactly brista. It could entice a school or two away from those conferences. Not only would it improve football but the basketball schools would get almost 8 million dollars in revenue apiece so they would be willing to allow the football schools to expand because it would help all parties involved. People need to remember, revenue can turn into profit if spent right. For example, Cincinnati's revenue would jump to almost 60 million dollars, giving us a profit of 16 million to play with. That is HUGE when you're trying to keep coaches, build facilities, clean up dept and have money to play with. But you're right brista, bowl revenue, big games, NCAA revenue and other events are factored into this. Because the Big Ten Network factors all of these things in when adding up their revenue per year. People need to realize also that revenue is a relative term. The Big Ten is distributing 22 million dollars per year per program, the SEC 17. Just being able to generate 15 million dollars in revenue would be HUGE and would be a great leap towards closing the gap between us and the other "elite" conferences.

By the way, awesome find Orange!

(08-24-2010 08:46 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  By the way, awesome find Orange!

Yes indeed. Thanks for bringing this article to our attention.

(08-24-2010 08:54 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-24-2010 08:46 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  By the way, awesome find Orange!

Yes indeed. Thanks for bringing this article to our attention.

Thanks! This writer, though focusing on Milwaukee, has a lot of insight on sports business and I follow him on Twitter. I was surprised to see the article about the Big East.

This is the kind of information that needs to keep coming out to help drive up our leverage when negotiations begin.

(08-24-2010 08:38 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  Revenue would turn into a profit.

Not always...as virtually every failed business in the history of the world, at one time or another, brought in "revenue"...but that is never a guarantee for profit.

(08-24-2010 04:21 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-24-2010 02:12 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(08-24-2010 08:45 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Whatever you question, email Navigate Marketing, stop the stupid speculations and ridiculous statements, and ask THEM...

I have no questions. I take them at their word 80mil. But I did stay at a holiday inn last knight, and I can do simple math. even with an espn deal, you dont get close to 15 mil per team.

You are one of the people that didnt think that the BE would get the deal that it got last go round. But the BE got a deal that put it at an team average of a couple of million less than the acc teams were getting at the time. At the time that the acc got its deal, they had the largest average payout of any conference, even though that fact didnt last very long. So if the BE was able to get to a payout that was that close to the acc payouts, even though the BE had just been severely damaged by losing 3 members, what makes you think that the BE wont get close to that amount or surpass it in the next round of negotiations?
In 2005, the BE was an unknown league and noone, including, especially you had no idea that the BE would perform so well. Why are you so sure once again that the BE wont get its average revenue up there with the other conferences?

I was one of the ones saying the BE would keep it's bid and be just fine. I have said this time the BE will get a bigger deal. I do doubt the 15 mil #. esp if network only generates 80 mil. that means you have to get aprox another 80 mil from espn or what ever network, while offering them less product. It could happen, time will tell, but I am a skeptic.

(08-25-2010 03:47 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-24-2010 08:38 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  Revenue would turn into a profit.

Not always...as virtually every failed business in the history of the world, at one time or another, brought in "revenue"...but that is never a guarantee for profit.

That's true. I should have added "if used properly".

(08-24-2010 10:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-24-2010 09:40 AM)Hoquista Wrote:  The difference would have to come from ABC/ESPN and CBS doubling the amount of money from the current TV contract while also receiving less content ..

.. and that sounds like wishful thinking.

Certainly, with the success the Big 10 has had with its network, it behooves us to be *seriously* looking in to the BE Network concept as an alternative to our current television arrangements (which frankly suck). But, we need to look before we leap ...

Agreed but just for comparison, the Big 10 did get an increase in their ABC/ESPN deals even when they started the BTN.

As you know, the biggest problem for the BE is to know whether there is a large market that will pay for a cable channel to watch the games that ESPN/ABC/CBS don't broadcast. Can the BE monitize these games AND get significant value in return?

(08-26-2010 06:21 AM)Hoquista Wrote:  

(08-24-2010 10:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-24-2010 09:40 AM)Hoquista Wrote:  The difference would have to come from ABC/ESPN and CBS doubling the amount of money from the current TV contract while also receiving less content ..

.. and that sounds like wishful thinking.

Certainly, with the success the Big 10 has had with its network, it behooves us to be *seriously* looking in to the BE Network concept as an alternative to our current television arrangements (which frankly suck). But, we need to look before we leap ...

Agreed but just for comparison, the Big 10 did get an increase in their ABC/ESPN deals even when they started the BTN.

Sure, but they are the Big 10, and we ... aren't. I just think we need to be a bit more cautious, do some good market research, vet our existing TV partners, etc. rather than just rush in to it.