(09-08-2010 12:28 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(09-08-2010 11:07 AM)techfan4 Wrote:  

(09-08-2010 10:57 AM)Rebel Wrote:  Even a liberal is right every once and a while.

Good one!

But for real.. Jacksonville State was a worthy opponent, but Ole Miss is better than that. They got a 20 point lead and slacked off. Doesn't mean that FCS schools can't battle sometimes, but 95% of the time they don't beat the BCS teams. Tech destroyed JSU the past two years in their first two games. I don't think Tech and Ole Miss are that far separated in talent. And hell, JSU had Perriloux last year.

I've been told that JSU has a lot of SEC rejects who were bad seeds or couldn't make the grade. My buddy said they almost beat his team last year (the Florida State Bowdens).

A buddy of mine that I went to high school with starts there. He's like 5'8" and 160 lbs soaking wet. He's a cornerback, obviously..but still. He's no SEC reject..he was pumped for the JSU offer. Some are rejects or VMI or GMC transfers, but that's probably less than 10.

(09-08-2010 12:42 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Who deserves BCS $$$ and inclusion more, Duke, NCSU, Maryland, UNC, Clemson, Boston College, Virginia, or Boise?

Definitely Duke and Virginia.

I think UNC is pretty high on that list, especially with the prestigious, pristine, and compliant academic and athletic cultures surrounding their University.


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(09-08-2010 12:29 PM)Rebel Wrote:  ...but yeah, there is no excuse. It's not like it was a tough game the entire time like UM-Appy State. Ole Miss owned that game until the 4th quarter. I don't know what the hell they were thinking.

I'd say they were thinking the game was over a bit early...

(09-07-2010 11:41 PM)techfan4 Wrote:  When this season is over, I'd bet that Boise's SOS will be about the same. Maybe a little better, because they will have played the national champion.

How are they going to play themselves?

(09-08-2010 08:22 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I think it's credible. There are some FCS teams that are better than FBS teams. Winless Western Kentucky would do quite poorly in the SoCon.

WKU won the 1-AA National Championship in 2002. You think in 8 years they've fallen off that far by adding more scholarship players? (From a close knowledge of the program, I know they're likely not as good as that season, but I'd be shocked if they did "quite poorly".)

Quote:It won't take but one game against San Jose State or Idaho to kill that S.O.S. Every week we play the Sagarin becomes more accurate.

Like Alabama, Wisconsin, and Utah's will suffer after their game with SJSU? Or Nebraska's after they play Idaho?

I know it's a formula, with "no bias". But they're playing the same teams that these top teams are padding their OOC with. All while Boise is struggling to get someone of worth to play them.

(09-08-2010 08:18 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Disclaimer: I support a 16-team playoff first.

I think if the Pac-16 or ACC-16 happens, they won't have to worry about it as they'll be snatched up as the dominoes fall. You can thank the former SEC commish for the BCS. Smart move on his part though. The SEC would be the biggest loser in a world of 6 or so 16-team super conferences where everybody has their own TV channel.

I don't think this is true. At least one of the 16 team super conference projections that were all the rage this summer didn't include Boise State and I wouldn't be at all surprised if that were true. Did Colorado really deserve to go into the Pac-10 instead of Boise State?

They're a good to great team that brings very few TV sets to the table. Add them to your conference and your chance of winning it goes down. Add them to your conference and the amount they make the revenue pie bigger doesn't match their slice of the pie, so you lose money. Since all the conferences care about is money (I really don't think there can be any arguing this point anymore), what's the incentive to add Boise State?

(09-08-2010 12:28 PM)Rebel Wrote:  I've been told that JSU has a lot of SEC rejects who were bad seeds or couldn't make the grade. My buddy said they almost beat his team last year (the Florida State Bowdens).

Same deal with SC State who we played. They have some legit NFL players on their team. They've got a WR with for real 4.3 speed. Their QB is massive but still decently mobile. Their RB isn't too bad either. Their average DL was 30 ibs heavier than the Georgia Tech OL they went up against.

(09-08-2010 03:20 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  WKU won the 1-AA National Championship in 2002. You think in 8 years they've fallen off that far by adding more scholarship players? (From a close knowledge of the program, I know they're likely not as good as that season, but I'd be shocked if they did "quite poorly".)

They're not picking up FBS transfers who played backup or recruiting against Texas State. Now transfers have to sit out a year. Now they're recruiting against Louisville and UK and Tennessee....

Quote:Like Alabama, Wisconsin, and Utah's will suffer after their game with SJSU? Or Nebraska's after they play Idaho?

I know it's a formula, with "no bias". But they're playing the same teams that these top teams are padding their OOC with. All while Boise is struggling to get someone of worth to play them.

You proved my point by saying (insert BCS team here) was PADDING their OOC with (insert WAC team here). Difficulty in playing in the SEC/ACC/Big10/Big12 vs difficulty playing in the WAC is of a magnitude similar to playing in the SoCon vs playing NAIA.

(09-08-2010 08:26 AM)techfan4 Wrote:  

(09-07-2010 11:46 PM)jh Wrote:  

(09-06-2010 10:02 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Boise needs to play in a big boy conference to take it to the next level ... there's only so much you can do playing the likes of Idaho and San Jose State every week. To be the best you have to play the best ... and more than once a year.

Just out of curiosity, how do you propose Boise State do that? What can they do, that they haven't already done, to make them worthy of a seat at a BCS conference? It's obvious that developing a top tier football team isn't enough. Niether Boise nor Idaho are suddenly going to get big enough to generate enough TV revenue to justify their inclusion, which is all that conferences seem to care about now (and probably was all they ever did). They tried to upgrade their conference by moving to the MWC (which would have deserved a seat at the table), but the Pac-10 poached one of the top teams and another left to make more money as an independent. Seriously, what else are they supposed to do?

Division IA college football is probably the most cynical and unfair sporting league in existence. The AQ schools have given themselves every advantage imaginable, even schools which have never done a single thing to justify their inclusion. To then hear them whining when a non-AQ school kicks the door down and demands admittance is laughable at best.

I agree that we need a playoff. I also agree there is no way that Boise can prove themselves.

They won't be able to prove themselves until they play ranked teams back to back weeks, or play 4 ranked teams in a season. Until they have three days to prepare for a ranked team like the big boys do, I can't view them as the top team in the nation. This is a major part of "big boy" football. I wish Tech could go super vanilla and prepare for UNC for two weeks, but they can't. VaTech put in extra time on stopping GT's offense this offseason (Foster even said they did). I guarantee Boise didn't spend a week this offseason preparing for Idaho or whoever they play next week. I'd bet that Boise started formulating their game plan 3 weeks ago for VaTech.

Put them in a playoff against three conference champions in a span of three weeks and there is NO chance they survive.

The thing is, GT could have that. All they have to do is go independent and they get to make their own schedule.

All Boise St. wants is the opportunity to play quality opponents, but who is going to schedule them? There is no upside for the "Big Boys" and only downside (ask VT and Oregon).

(09-08-2010 09:00 PM)blah Wrote:  The thing is, GT could have that. All they have to do is go independent and they get to make their own schedule.

All Boise St. wants is the opportunity to play quality opponents, but who is going to schedule them? There is no upside for the "Big Boys" and only downside (ask VT and Oregon).

Tried that in the 60's coming off the Bobby Dodd era and National Championship #3. Bankrupt in a decade. Homer Rice came to rescue the day and join the ACC. If you're an independent and you DON'T have your own TV network ... a few bad seasons (e.g. no massive bowl payout) and you're in the tank.

Doesn't work as an indy without your own TV network. And I fully expect BYU to fail with their network as there are alot fewer mormon TVs than catholic TVs.

(09-08-2010 09:07 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-08-2010 09:00 PM)blah Wrote:  The thing is, GT could have that. All they have to do is go independent and they get to make their own schedule.

All Boise St. wants is the opportunity to play quality opponents, but who is going to schedule them? There is no upside for the "Big Boys" and only downside (ask VT and Oregon).

Tried that in the 60's coming off the Bobby Dodd era and National Championship #3. Bankrupt in a decade. Homer Rice came to rescue the day and join the ACC. If you're an independent and you DON'T have your own TV network ... a few bad seasons (e.g. no massive bowl payout) and you're in the tank.

Doesn't work as an indy without your own TV network. And I fully expect BYU to fail with their network as there are alot fewer mormon TVs than catholic TVs.

I'm with you, but techfan was bemoaning the fact that Boise gets two weeks to prepare for all good opponents.

I think your point highlights what I have been saying...."it is better to risk being mediocre in a BCS conference than to risk not being the top dog in a small or independent status." I also think it highlights the pressure that Boise is under. They cannot afford to make a mistake. Even winning by a small margin could risk them getting to a good bowl and getting the money.

(09-08-2010 08:47 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-08-2010 12:28 PM)Rebel Wrote:  I've been told that JSU has a lot of SEC rejects who were bad seeds or couldn't make the grade. My buddy said they almost beat his team last year (the Florida State Bowdens).

Same deal with SC State who we played. They have some legit NFL players on their team. They've got a WR with for real 4.3 speed. Their QB is massive but still decently mobile. Their RB isn't too bad either. Their average DL was 30 ibs heavier than the Georgia Tech OL they went up against.

Dude...Don't you/Didn't you go to SC State? Yet you refer to GT as "we"?

Hey -- I'm far better at not using "we" than most. But I read it used/abused so often it slips in from time to time.

I was accepted to GT, offered just under $10K/yr in scholarships, then promptly told all funds have to go to Hope Scholars first and the piggy bank was empty. Soooo GT was about $30,000 (read: A Lexus) every year. And so I went to Chikunland on pretty much a full ride. Got tired of their inability to give a damn about Engineering and IT (a class centered entirely around ******* breadboards? In CS? SERIOUSLY?!) and transferred to USC Upstate, which to my shock has the most highly accredited CS program in South Carolina. Sadly, however, the diploma is identical to the one they hand out in Columbia. I wasn't even allowed to put a Spartan on my class ring ... had to get a chicken. This despite the fact that USCU is Division I-A Atlantic Sun in basketball.

(09-08-2010 09:57 PM)blah Wrote:  

(09-08-2010 09:07 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-08-2010 09:00 PM)blah Wrote:  The thing is, GT could have that. All they have to do is go independent and they get to make their own schedule.

All Boise St. wants is the opportunity to play quality opponents, but who is going to schedule them? There is no upside for the "Big Boys" and only downside (ask VT and Oregon).

Tried that in the 60's coming off the Bobby Dodd era and National Championship #3. Bankrupt in a decade. Homer Rice came to rescue the day and join the ACC. If you're an independent and you DON'T have your own TV network ... a few bad seasons (e.g. no massive bowl payout) and you're in the tank.

Doesn't work as an indy without your own TV network. And I fully expect BYU to fail with their network as there are alot fewer mormon TVs than catholic TVs.

I'm with you, but techfan was bemoaning the fact that Boise gets two weeks to prepare for all good opponents.

People will make excuses for anything. Even the exact opposite. The Ohio States of the football world ***** because they have too much time to prepare for a national championship game and that it's unfair that an SEC team has an additional game due to the SEC CG.

(09-09-2010 01:44 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Hey -- I'm far better at not using "we" than most. But I read it used/abused so often it slips in from time to time.

I was accepted to GT, offered just under $10K/yr in scholarships, then promptly told all funds have to go to Hope Scholars first and the piggy bank was empty. Soooo GT was about $30,000 (read: A Lexus) every year. And so I went to Chikunland on pretty much a full ride. Got tired of their inability to give a damn about Engineering and IT (a class centered entirely around ******* breadboards? In CS? SERIOUSLY?!) and transferred to USC Upstate, which to my shock has the most highly accredited CS program in South Carolina. Sadly, however, the diploma is identical to the one they hand out in Columbia. I wasn't even allowed to put a Spartan on my class ring ... had to get a chicken. This despite the fact that USCU is Division I-A Atlantic Sun in basketball.

Oh, not SC State. Gotcha....anywho I'm just giving you a hard time. I'm all about going to the cheapest and best fit school possible. I went back to school as a husband and father. Went to ECU because it was within a commuting distance and had the degrees that I wanted. It worked out great for me, and I love my school for it.

What the heck is "Division I-A Atlantic Sun"? We're just "Division I," like every other D-I conference, from the ACC to the SoCon. If you want to get specific, we have some members who play FOOTBALL at the FCS Non-scholarship level (old I-AA non-scholly) like Jacksonville, and others are non-football (the old I-AAA) schools like Mercer.

Don't understand why you still support Georgia Tech when they screwed you over either -- Hope Scholarship money comes from the Georgia Lottery. If GT promised you scholarships, that should come from the Tech fund, not the Hope Scholarship fund. To claim they ran out of money sounds pretty disingenuous to me.

(09-09-2010 01:33 PM)SouthGAEagle Wrote:  What the heck is "Division I-A Atlantic Sun"? We're just "Division I," like every other D-I conference, from the ACC to the SoCon. If you want to get specific, we have some members who play FOOTBALL at the FCS Non-scholarship level (old I-AA non-scholly) like Jacksonville, and others are non-football (the old I-AAA) schools like Mercer.

Don't understand why you still support Georgia Tech when they screwed you over either -- Hope Scholarship money comes from the Georgia Lottery. If GT promised you scholarships, that should come from the Tech fund, not the Hope Scholarship fund. To claim they ran out of money sounds pretty disingenuous to me.

Only the President's scholarship (AFAIK as of when I applied) comes from their internal funds -- and that is *EXTREMELY* competitive.

(09-08-2010 08:52 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-08-2010 03:20 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  WKU won the 1-AA National Championship in 2002. You think in 8 years they've fallen off that far by adding more scholarship players? (From a close knowledge of the program, I know they're likely not as good as that season, but I'd be shocked if they did "quite poorly".)

They're not picking up FBS transfers who played backup or recruiting against Texas State. Now transfers have to sit out a year. Now they're recruiting against Louisville and UK and Tennessee....

They weren't picking up those transfers then either. They're getting better players now, than they were before. Few, if any, choose to go to a FCS over FBS. Even a MAC team.

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Quote:Like Alabama, Wisconsin, and Utah's will suffer after their game with SJSU? Or Nebraska's after they play Idaho?

I know it's a formula, with "no bias". But they're playing the same teams that these top teams are padding their OOC with. All while Boise is struggling to get someone of worth to play them.

You proved my point by saying (insert BCS team here) was PADDING their OOC with (insert WAC team here). Difficulty in playing in the SEC/ACC/Big10/Big12 vs difficulty playing in the WAC is of a magnitude similar to playing in the SoCon vs playing NAIA.

They can't do anything about their conference schedule. They schedule tough OOC teams, while the teams regarded as the best in the nation are some of the most likely to play those FCS and bottom 10 teams.

If they are undefeated this season, that will be 2 in a row. What else could they do to deserve a chance at the MNC? Win every game for 3 seasons? 4? If Indiana wins all of their games they'll go. But if Boise does, again, they shouldn't?

If you BCS'ers want to keep BSU, TCU, or any other good program out of the big bowls, it is easy!!
PLAY THEM IN SEASON!!!!!!
Have one or two of your "big boys" go out to Boise, Fort Worth, Houston, Salt lake, Huntington, Greenville, Orlando, Dallas,...wherever and PLAY THEM!!!! IF you win, they have no right to go to the "big boy" bowls.

Until you do that, we will continue to keep taking little bites out of you until you level the playing field.

Play us on fair terms or STFU!!!!!

(09-09-2010 10:01 PM)TomorrowHerd Wrote:  If you BCS'ers want to keep BSU, TCU, or any other good program out of the big bowls, it is easy!!
PLAY THEM IN SEASON!!!!!!
Have one or two of your "big boys" go out to Boise, Fort Worth, Houston, Salt lake, Huntington, Greenville, Orlando, Dallas,...wherever and PLAY THEM!!!! IF you win, they have no right to go to the "big boy" bowls.

Until you do that, we will continue to keep taking little bites out of you until you level the playing field.

Play us on fair terms or STFU!!!!!

+1....

Let me type the response that is coming....
"But we already play such a hard conference schedule that we have to play Div. I-AA schools for our non-conference games."

(09-09-2010 01:44 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Hey -- I'm far better at not using "we" than most. But I read it used/abused so often it slips in from time to time.

not sure what this means, but I feel like the giants have tortured me so much that i deserve to say we