(12-20-2010 11:16 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  As for the schools in Texas, I'm still of the opinion that SMU would be a far better candidate than Houston at this time. It would give us a ready made rivalry between 2 DFW schools, which would help solidify a BEast presence in DFW, and The BEast could highlight this game annually, in cooperation with Jerry Jones, who I'm sure would love to have another marquee event in his stadium every year, for maximum exposure. I can't see any kind of spectacle The BEast could create that even compares to something like this...

It will take a while to get there, but if SMU can elevate it's game and make it a real rivalry, I'd love to crush the ponies in front of 100k at Jerryworld. Another option is to have it during the state fair like UT-OU Red River Shootout and play in front of 90-100k seats at the Cotton Bowl which is a nice venue now.

Either setting would make for a nice spectacle down in Texas. IMO SMU could come back fairly quickly - with BCS affiliation and the right decisions on their end...

(12-20-2010 02:33 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  ECU is not in any play for the Big East. Not a slam...there zero smoke about ECU. Some smoke starting rise about Houston, though.

We Pirate fans believe in the "silence is golden" concept. Now we'll get in a whizzing contest with the best of them when they start putting down our beloved university.

(12-20-2010 02:33 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  ECU is not in any play for the Big East. Not a slam...there zero smoke about ECU. Some smoke starting rise about Houston, though.

I bet ECU has a better chance of a BE invite than Houston.

(12-20-2010 12:58 PM)frogforever Wrote:  Houston's academic reputation is ......not great. It's sub-Texas Tech. Houston is basically the UNT of Houston. It's an easy to get into local mostly-commuter school for people who want to go to college and have the college experience but aren't so desperate that they'll go to Sam Houston, Stephen F. Austin, UTSA, etc. It's accessable public education for those fit for college on the low end. Serves mostly minority inner city students.

Wow. Stereotype much? UH has spent 9 figures the last few years building new dorms, new classrooms and a world class student rec center. Do some students still commute? Sure. But the campus is changing rapidly. We are building to our goal of 9000 beds on campus.

U. of Houston is the 3rd largest university in Texas. Houston has several nationally ranked undergraduate programs as well as a 2000 student Honors College. UH also has some awesome graduate programs.

Further, Houston's a diverse campus. Much like Rutgers. 35% White, 20% Asian, 20% Hispanic, 15% African American.

I notice that out of TCU's 7600 undergrads, only 380 of them are African American. Question: how many of those 380 are NOT on athletic scholarship?

(12-20-2010 04:16 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Further, Houston's a diverse campus. Much like Rutgers. 35% White, 20% Asian, 20% Hispanic, 15% African American.

I notice that out of TCU's 7600 undergrads, only 380 of them are African American. Question: how many of those 380 are NOT on athletic scholarship?

What's the point of this statement? I said UofH was an entry level school that serves a lot of inner city (read: low income) and minority students. You tell me I'm stereotyping and then you prove exactly what I said!

9000 dorm beds in the 3rd largest university in the state, is not a lot. Commuter school. Nothing wrong with this. You should be promoting that as an asset because of the tons of alumni not having an inferiority complex over it. I want U of H in BE. Just be realistic. All schools have positives and negatives.

(12-20-2010 02:33 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  ECU is not in any play for the Big East. Not a slam...there zero smoke about ECU. Some smoke starting rise about Houston, though.

That is just your speculation.

(12-20-2010 04:25 PM)frogforever Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 04:16 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Further, Houston's a diverse campus. Much like Rutgers. 35% White, 20% Asian, 20% Hispanic, 15% African American.

I notice that out of TCU's 7600 undergrads, only 380 of them are African American. Question: how many of those 380 are NOT on athletic scholarship?

What's the point of this statement? I said UofH was an entry level school that serves a lot of inner city (read: low income) and minority students. You tell me I'm stereotyping and then you prove exactly what I said!

9000 dorm beds in the 3rd largest university in the state, is not a lot. Commuter school. Nothing wrong with this. You should be promoting that as an asset because of the tons of alumni not having an inferiority complex over it. I want U of H in BE. Just be realistic. All schools have positives and negatives.

9000 extra to go with the 6,000 we already had. That is 15,000 total. Were not so commuter anymore but thats what everyone still thinks. Just like the cougar high comments. 15,000 dorm rooms is more than most universities.

I don't think anyone knows what the BE will or will not do, Including officials of the BE.

(12-20-2010 04:35 PM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 02:33 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  ECU is not in any play for the Big East. Not a slam...there zero smoke about ECU. Some smoke starting rise about Houston, though.

That is just your speculation.

How about this? USF has thrown a bucket of cold water on the UCF to the BE fire.

(12-20-2010 04:42 PM)Brick City Pirate Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 04:35 PM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 02:33 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  ECU is not in any play for the Big East. Not a slam...there zero smoke about ECU. Some smoke starting rise about Houston, though.

That is just your speculation.

How about this? USF has thrown a bucket of cold water on the UCF to the BE fire.

Not zero smoke. Isolated reports in NC and some in Tampa and Louisville show ECU as a strong SPORTS candidate, but not a stronger overall candidate than UCF, Houston, or Villanova. USF has been tackling UCF ever since the war ended three years ago.

(12-20-2010 04:52 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 04:42 PM)Brick City Pirate Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 04:35 PM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 02:33 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  ECU is not in any play for the Big East. Not a slam...there zero smoke about ECU. Some smoke starting rise about Houston, though.

That is just your speculation.

How about this? USF has thrown a bucket of cold water on the UCF to the BE fire.

Not zero smoke. Isolated reports in NC and some in Tampa and Louisville show ECU as a strong SPORTS candidate, but not a stronger overall candidate than UCF, Houston, or Villanova. USF has been tackling UCF ever since the war ended three years ago.

Show me concrete proof, not speculation.

I don't see how ECU couldn't be in the conversation due to their football success, attendance, and being in the general BE area, but they aren't BCS cred-level good and their offer no current or potential media market. Bigger upside elsewhere it seems.

(12-20-2010 03:52 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 02:33 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  ECU is not in any play for the Big East. Not a slam...there zero smoke about ECU. Some smoke starting rise about Houston, though.

I bet ECU has a better chance of a BE invite than Houston.

Thanks for the support.

(12-20-2010 04:25 PM)frogforever Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 04:16 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Further, Houston's a diverse campus. Much like Rutgers. 35% White, 20% Asian, 20% Hispanic, 15% African American.

I notice that out of TCU's 7600 undergrads, only 380 of them are African American. Question: how many of those 380 are NOT on athletic scholarship?

What's the point of this statement? I said UofH was an entry level school that serves a lot of inner city (read: low income) and minority students. You tell me I'm stereotyping and then you prove exactly what I said!

9000 dorm beds in the 3rd largest university in the state, is not a lot. Commuter school. Nothing wrong with this. You should be promoting that as an asset because of the tons of alumni not having an inferiority complex over it. I want U of H in BE. Just be realistic. All schools have positives and negatives.

You are implying that the school is made up of completely minorities (which is false), and moreover that these minorities are low income and come from the inner city (which is also false). So implying that minorities are not only poor but academically inferior isn't bigoted? Whatever. I have no time for your elitism and backward world view.

Nobody knows what will happen but for some folks who are so sure their team will be added you better hope its true.

This thread has deteriorated very quickly.

(12-20-2010 05:15 PM)chrisharper80 Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 04:25 PM)frogforever Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 04:16 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Further, Houston's a diverse campus. Much like Rutgers. 35% White, 20% Asian, 20% Hispanic, 15% African American.

I notice that out of TCU's 7600 undergrads, only 380 of them are African American. Question: how many of those 380 are NOT on athletic scholarship?

What's the point of this statement? I said UofH was an entry level school that serves a lot of inner city (read: low income) and minority students. You tell me I'm stereotyping and then you prove exactly what I said!

9000 dorm beds in the 3rd largest university in the state, is not a lot. Commuter school. Nothing wrong with this. You should be promoting that as an asset because of the tons of alumni not having an inferiority complex over it. I want U of H in BE. Just be realistic. All schools have positives and negatives.

You are implying that the school is made up of completely minorities (which is false), and moreover that these minorities are low income and come from the inner city (which is also false). So implying that minorities are not only poor but academically inferior isn't bigoted? Whatever. I have no time for your elitism and backward world view.

Come on. I said in my original post describing UofH that it is mostly minorities. Looking at your numbers in your own post, and using the typical definition of everything-not-white-is-minority, the school is 65% minority. How was my statement wrong again?

U of H is the local affordable large state university in the middle of Houston. It is quite disproportionately minority as you have shown. Unless the school is specifically discriminating against whites, there is a reason. Minorities tend to disproportionately be lower-income, which is a great tragedy of our times, yet undeniable. Thus, the student body is disproportionately lower-income. This is to be expected for the local large accessable state school in the middle of a huge city. Stop being defensive.

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Those of you that keep mentioning USF "blocking" UCF. USF can't and doesn't have any clout to "block" anyone. They can favor aye or nay and that's it. TCU doesn't have any votes or clout to keep out anyone, either. If the BE wanted Houston, TCU wouldn't have any say whether the Big East wanted Houston or not....or be able to vote until 2012. The votes also don't have to be unanimous, either. Basically the "ayes" have it.
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You're wrong. If one school isn't happy thebothers will listen. And trust me Houston, TCU and South Florida have far more power then you realize so some of you guys who think that TCU and USF dont have major pull are either in denial or clueless about the Big East.

(12-20-2010 05:39 PM)frogforever Wrote:  Come on. I said in my original post describing UofH that it is mostly minorities. Looking at your numbers in your own post, and using the typical definition of everything-not-white-is-minority, the school is 65% minority. How was my statement wrong again?

U of H is the local affordable large state university in the middle of Houston. It is quite disproportionately minority as you have shown. Unless the school is specifically discriminating against whites, there is a reason. Minorities tend to disproportionately be lower-income, which is a great tragedy of our times, yet undeniable. Thus, the student body is disproportionately lower-income. This is to be expected for the local large accessable state school in the middle of a huge city. Stop being defensive.

I don't have a problem with your math skills. I have a problem with the fact that you point out that Houston has a lot of minorities AND you imply that this is a negative aspect. Whatever. Congratulations on your great season and on your Big East invite. I won't go any farther down this road.