(02-14-2011 01:21 PM)ctipton Wrote:  

(02-14-2011 01:01 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  

(02-14-2011 12:57 PM)HoopsJunky Wrote:  

(02-14-2011 11:41 AM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:  So it's year 7, and time for a change. Won't we face losing recruits and player transfers same as if a change was made this year? Only it will be year 7, and we will be facing 2 more years to rebuild. My math skills tell me it will then be year 9.

The basketball program will not survive several more years of low attendance. By year 9, UC will have lost a couple of generations of young Bearcat fans and probably a lot of us to boot.

I agree with your point.

The one difference with this year is UC will be signing 6-7 players.
If they pull the trigger after the season they will lose a number of the commits and it will be too late to start over.

Keep him 1 more season and if things aren't better pull the trigger next year.

In the meantime I hope Mike Thomas has a search firm putting out feelers to see what coaches would be interested.

This I know -- MT will NOT be the person locating a possible next coach.

You got some 'splainin' to do Lucy.....

He just couldn't wait till Tuesday, could he?

I'm guessing either Thomas gets overruled by the big $$$ next go-around, or he won't be around to (whether he finds another job or is "no longer needed")

What big money? UC BB hardly has enough little money donors to keep from pulling the plug on sports while keeping the lights on.

...big being a relative term

So that would mean Thomas would be out?

(02-14-2011 03:09 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  ...big being a relative term

So that would mean Thomas would be out?

There has been rumors on multiple occasions that he was interviewing for other schools... maybe he has gotten an offer to move on.

Yep.

Actually, I have no problem with Thomas making a choice. He's done pretty well to date in that regard, IMO. However, I hope if it comes to it that President Williams gets involved to some degree so that money doesn't become the driving force in the decision making process (I really like the guy).

(02-14-2011 03:09 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  ...big being a relative term

So that would mean Thomas would be out?

And that would begin the first step to improving all of UC athletics and reducing the debt.

Kind of weird if an announcement is made tomorrow. During the St. John's game I sat right in front of MT's box which was loaded with folks around 30 yrs old plus Mr & Mrs MT. Next to it was the President's box with some high dollar alums. There was absolutely zero interaction between the two groups even though the seats out front of the box were full.

OK gents. Give up the details. Pleeeaaaassssseeeee........

If Thomas does leave, that would make a very interesting scenario as far as basketball is concerned. If a real search were to be conducted there could be a couple months with no one at the helm in the Dept.

(02-14-2011 03:44 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  If Thomas does leave, that would make a very interesting scenario as far as basketball is concerned. If a real search were to be conducted there could be a couple months with no one at the helm in the Dept.

That would mean a coaching search would be headed up by Oscar... sorry, I want nothing to do with that. If MT is gone this year then I'd prefer they wait on any decisions on Cronin for another year and let the new AD have a full year to search out a replacement.

Agreed. No way a new guy could come in and make a change before he had a chance to hire his own AD staff.

Although it would be just like UC to be looking for a coach and an AD at the same time.

(02-14-2011 03:58 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Agreed. No way a new guy could come in and make a change before he had a chance to hire his own AD staff.

Although it would be just like UC to be looking for a coach and an AD at the same time.

And for Oscar to stick his nose into the AD's business and cause problems.

MT can stick around and still have no say in coaching hires. MT's boss has lost confidence in him. Williams will make the next decision.

(02-14-2011 04:29 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  MT can stick around and still have no say in coaching hires. MT's boss has lost confidence in him. Williams will make the next decision.

Ugh... and what qualifies Williams to hire the next coach? This can't be good.

I know a few here believe that Williams has an anti-sports sort of attitude, but that could not be farther from the truth.

If you have not read his book, do so. It really shows what a huge part sports had in his life. Great read even if he had nothing to do with UC.

(02-14-2011 04:36 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-14-2011 04:29 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  MT can stick around and still have no say in coaching hires. MT's boss has lost confidence in him. Williams will make the next decision.

Ugh... and what qualifies Williams to hire the next coach? This can't be good.

He would have the same recommendations from a search firm that an AD would have.

Ultimately the president and BOT makes the final decision anyway.

(02-14-2011 04:39 PM)subflea Wrote:  He would have the same recommendations from a search firm that an AD would have.

Ultimately the president and BOT makes the final decision anyway.

Call me skeptical after our previous president's disasterous decisions...

This president cares much more about athletics and the role they play than the previous one.

sub, you are correct. He indeed cares very much.

(02-14-2011 04:44 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  sub, you are correct. He indeed cares very much.

I'm not saying he doesn't care... I'm saying that I wouldn't feel comfortable hiring the next coach, and I live and die UC football and basketball. I would feel much more comfortable with someone who depends on the performance of these teams making the decision than someone who, at the end of the day, is not effected in any way whether the team wins.

(02-14-2011 04:44 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  sub, you are correct. He indeed cares very much.

I would agree also. When he was first hired I was privileged to spend time with him during an entire basketball game last year. He definitely understands the role athletics play in university growth and fundraising.