(03-31-2011 02:02 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  I still have a hard time seeing a scenario where Houston gets in and UCF gets left out. The only scenario where that works is if the league 1) plans to stop at 10, 2) Nova declines and 3) UH is selected next. That is a lot of variables.

You firgure with the 10 team or 12 team variable still out there, here are you outcomes based on known available teams and assuming besides Nova, UH and UCF are the next options. Only one of the five possibilities leaves UCF out with UH in.

1) Nova accepts, BE done with expansion.
2) Nova accepts, BE also adds UCF and UH.
3a and 3b) Nova declines, BE adds UCF or UH and stops expansion at 10.
4) Nova declines, BE adds UCF, UH and one more is added from ECU, Temple, ect.

I tend to think Nova is going to accept, if so, then the question becomes what will the league do after that regarding further expansion. We probably will not know that answer on 4/12. I tend to think more arm twisting would have to be done to get the BB schools on board to agree to teams #11 and #12 if that is even the plan.

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(03-31-2011 12:30 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  This conference is looking more like CUSA.

I thought cincy used to be in CUSA...

(03-31-2011 02:23 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(03-31-2011 12:30 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  This conference is looking more like CUSA.

I thought cincy used to be in CUSA...

And Louisville...and Marquette...and USF...and TCU...may I go on?

(03-31-2011 01:05 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  However, with the addition of TCU you would have 9 - 8 and if Nova came over you would have 10-7. At that point, could the BB schools block a vote to expand or split for that matter? Not sure how expansion or split votes are set in the constitution....simple majority, does it need a 3/5's or 3/4's majority....I don't know.

If you're looking to vote people out, be up front and say so.

(03-31-2011 02:02 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  I tend to think Nova is going to accept, if so, then the question becomes what will the league do after that regarding further expansion. We probably will not know that answer on 4/12. I tend to think more arm twisting would have to be done to get the BB schools on board to agree to teams #11 and #12 if that is even the plan.

I don't see how the no-football BE schools could think it was in their own best interests to have a 12/19 league instead of 9/17 or 10/17.

If a supporter of one of the no-football BE schools would like to explain why their school would prefer a 12-football-team Big East, I'd be interested to hear it.

(03-31-2011 01:46 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  Will USF and Genshaft be the end all be all to Houston over UCF, no. Is she rooting for and speaking for Houston instead of UCF, probably. To think that in a discussion, Genshaft isn't trying to make Houston look better than UCF is just as delusional as assuming that USF can dictate who is invited. I do think though that it is quite probable that Genshaft started pimping Houston over UCF as soon as TCU was added. Do I think it will be enough to keep UCF out, no. If the Big East presidents are swayed that easily, then they have bigger issues.

But I do strongly believe that Genshaft is pushing for Houston because pushing against UCF could potentially cause political backlash in the state of Florida. Hopefully we are all right and it won't have much weight. I don't mind Houston getting in over UCF as long as they are more qualified and the presidents chose them as the more qualified candidate and not because they have buddies at a few member schools, some arguably with a personal agenda.

And while I won't argue with any of the above, I think that some posters are missing the long-range view.

Since August, we basically have known the 4 candidates to get either to 9, 10, or 12 were (alpha) - Central Florida, Houston, TCU, and Villanova.

Two offers went out - TCU accepted, Nova is still deciding.

If Nova declines, either the league stays at 9/17 or perhaps adds one more to go 10/18.

We don't even know if Nova declines that there will definitely be another invite. But if there is, has it occurred to anyone that perhaps the BE might choose UH over UCF precisely because TCU won't have voting privileges yet to try and persuade anyone against Houston - to prevent them from doing to the Cougars what you believe Genshaft is doing to the Knights?

And if UH subsequently does get in under this scenario, won't all the arguments you think are currently being used by Genshaft to block UCF now be moot considering the fact that it could be argued UH is as much competition for TCU as UCF is for USF?

Relax. The road to expansion is fluid with many potholes and roadblocks along the way. If it's meant to be, it will be.

Cheers,
Neil

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First I want to apologize for allowing this thread to get to six pages long, but I didn't see it until just now. We have been at Reliant all day with Final Four activities. There is no truth to this rumor at all. Please know that you would have heard things through more appropriate channels if there were.
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Evidently it was just a rumor according to someone in the Houston Sports information department.

Rumor squashed by Houston SID. Nothing to see here folks.

(03-31-2011 02:52 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  And if UH subsequently does get in under this scenario, won't all the arguments you think are currently being used by Genshaft to block UCF now be moot considering the fact that it could be argued UH is as much competition for TCU as UCF is for USF?

That is a good point. However, can anyone more familiar with the dynamics of "Texas" provide a clue about how TCU might feel about Houston being added as a BE member?

All I know about Texas is that there is a confusing mess of rivalries and out and out hate. How does TCU feel about Houston? Is it even a rivalry or potential rivalry?

I think we casual fan board observers have a pretty good idea of what USF and UCF view each other.

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Evidently it was just a rumor according to someone in the Houston Sports information department.

I think that is pretty remarkable that someone from their Univeristy actual took the time to squash a rumor, and that they actually read the fan boards. I'm impressed.

Or the UH SID doesnt want this info public yet. If the rumors turn out to be true, I wish UH well, and hope they represent CUSA well. Either way, hopefully this expansion talk is over soon. The BEast has milked it to the maximum extent possible.

(03-31-2011 03:41 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  The BEast has milked it to the maximum extent possible.

I think just about everybody would agree on THAT!

(03-31-2011 03:30 PM)Cardsshark Wrote:  

(03-31-2011 02:52 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  And if UH subsequently does get in under this scenario, won't all the arguments you think are currently being used by Genshaft to block UCF now be moot considering the fact that it could be argued UH is as much competition for TCU as UCF is for USF?

That is a good point. However, can anyone more familiar with the dynamics of "Texas" provide a clue about how TCU might feel about Houston being added as a BE member?

All I know about Texas is that there is a confusing mess of rivalries and out and out hate. How does TCU feel about Houston? Is it even a rivalry or potential rivalry?

I think we casual fan board observers have a pretty good idea of what USF and UCF view each other.

Houston and TCU was never that big of a rivalry in the old SWC. A big part of that is that by the time UH joined, they were a strong independent while TCU's program was in severe decline so they rarely lost to TCU in the first few years but later, as their program also declined toward the end of SWC play, they game became much more competitive for TCU. Still, IIRC, they were something like 14-7 against TCU, they won more often than they lost against the Frogs.

As far as today, I'm sure the match up would be a good one but I also think TCU would like to have the advantage of being the only Texas school in the BE just like USF wants to be the only Florida school in the BE because it gives you an advantage over the FBS schools not in an AQ league they recruit against, in this case, SMU, UH, Rice, UNT & UTEP.

So in that regard, if it happens it happens, but like USF , they aren't going to go out on a limb to help a competitor into their nest.

UH not going to the Big East after all. Check, please!

Let me reiterate that there was no rumor on the cougar board that claimed we were getting a Big East invite.
The guy on Coogfans only said that the naming rights were going to be announced on Monday. He speculated about a possible BE invite in the future.
No cougar fan came on this board claiming anything.
It was a North Texas fan of all people who posted the misleading title of this thread.
All other speculation came from non-UH people on this board

(03-31-2011 03:30 PM)Cardsshark Wrote:  

(03-31-2011 02:52 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  And if UH subsequently does get in under this scenario, won't all the arguments you think are currently being used by Genshaft to block UCF now be moot considering the fact that it could be argued UH is as much competition for TCU as UCF is for USF?

That is a good point. However, can anyone more familiar with the dynamics of "Texas" provide a clue about how TCU might feel about Houston being added as a BE member?

All I know about Texas is that there is a confusing mess of rivalries and out and out hate. How does TCU feel about Houston? Is it even a rivalry or potential rivalry?

I think we casual fan board observers have a pretty good idea of what USF and UCF view each other.

Texas is big so TCU and UH can co-exist with each other without stepping on each others toes in recruiting for the most part. TCU recruits mostly DFW-N Tx while UH recruits mostly Houston/E Tx. UH and TCU admin gets along well too.

(03-31-2011 04:52 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  Let me reiterate that there was no rumor on the cougar board that claimed we were getting a Big East invite.
The guy on Coogfans only said that the naming rights were going to be announced on Monday. He speculated about a possible BE invite in the future.
No cougar fan came on this board claiming anything.
It was a North Texas fan of all people who posted the misleading title of this thread.
All other speculation came from non-UH people on this board

Fair enough.

(03-31-2011 04:52 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  Let me reiterate that there was no rumor on the cougar board that claimed we were getting a Big East invite.
The guy on Coogfans only said that the naming rights were going to be announced on Monday. He speculated about a possible BE invite in the future. No cougar fan came on this board claiming anything.
It was a North Texas fan of all people who posted the misleading title of this thread.
All other speculation came from non-UH people on this board

CCcoog begs to differ with your opinion.

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(03-31-2011 05:00 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  [quote='Borncoog74' pid='6406962' dateline='1301608339']
Let me reiterate that there was no rumor on the cougar board that claimed we were getting a Big East invite.
The guy on Coogfans only said that the naming rights were going to be announced on Monday. He speculated about a possible BE invite in the future. No cougar fan came on this board claiming anything.
It was a North Texas fan of all people who posted the misleading title of this thread.
All other speculation came from non-UH people on this board

CCcoog begs to differ with your opinion.

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Well I stand corrected.
I just kinda feel like everybody on that board knows that nothing can happen until Nova makes a decision.
I stand by what I said that no UH people are on this board claiming anything along those lines even when Ccoog was claiming it.

(03-31-2011 03:30 PM)Cardsshark Wrote:  

(03-31-2011 02:52 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  And if UH subsequently does get in under this scenario, won't all the arguments you think are currently being used by Genshaft to block UCF now be moot considering the fact that it could be argued UH is as much competition for TCU as UCF is for USF?

That is a good point. However, can anyone more familiar with the dynamics of "Texas" provide a clue about how TCU might feel about Houston being added as a BE member?

All I know about Texas is that there is a confusing mess of rivalries and out and out hate. How does TCU feel about Houston? Is it even a rivalry or potential rivalry?

I think we casual fan board observers have a pretty good idea of what USF and UCF view each other.

What do you mean?
WE JUST LOVE EACH OTHER!!!

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