Bad news for UCF, no doubt about it.

Sir Galahad, I do not have to set you up to look uninformed. You do that very well all by yourself. I will not start trading personal insults with you. I will remind you that you are a guest on a Big East site. Have a nice day.

(04-30-2011 10:56 AM)Sir Galahad Wrote:  So because it is in the NY Times or ESPN blog it must be true? Where is the actual proof?

Like it or not, the NY Times is the most prestigious news organization in the world. Sure, they've made mistakes before, but unless this is show to be one of them, the story will resonate, particularly among the elites at the universities that will decide if UCF gets a Big East membership bid.

Both USF and UCF have been publicly embarrassed by NY Times articles in the past few days. Difference is, we're already in ...

(04-30-2011 10:56 AM)Sir Galahad Wrote:  As for me going back to my "MO." I guess it is okay for the USF mod and others to use derogatory comments about Knight Light and myself, but hey just like this situation here, apply rules where you would like.

It's a Big East board Einstein. If you don't like it, there's a whole big message board world out there.

(04-30-2011 10:52 AM)OwlsExaminer Wrote:  

(04-30-2011 09:59 AM)CatsClaw Wrote:  The pressure is on you (UCF) to prove that these allegations are false because UCF is the one that is trying to get into a BCS conference.

The problem with that is there is no substantive evidence that UCF has to explain away.

The story has a tone about it that resembles the Mel Gibson movie Conspiracy Theory.

Twitter buds?? Really? I have a twitter and don't know most of the people that I follow, or who follow me.

Who cares about the Twitter bud, don't use selective reading, read the first part of the sentence where they refuse to comment on his connections to Caldwell. It's not a conspiracy theory when the mother HERSELF says that there are shady things going on.

Quote:Ware’s mother, Lisa Mack, when told of Caldwell’s background and affiliations, was angry at the entire recruitment process, and in particular the coaches at Central Florida.

“I’m pretty much just disgusted,” she said. “Who dreams of something that’s supposed to be about the kids and the achievements he’s received to this point to receive a scholarship? It has been made something dirty. I feel violated.”

So is his mother also in on the conspiracy theory? My point is, UCF should come right out and defend this and stop it before it blossoms into a major problem, if someone accuses you of illegal activity are you going to just sit there and take it or are you going to defend yourself?

(04-30-2011 10:59 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:   Sir Galahad, I do not have to set you up to look uninformed. You do that very well all by yourself. I will not start trading personal insults with you. I will remind you that you are a quest on a Big East site. Have a nice day.

Wilkie you're a drama queen and what the heck is a quest on a Big East Site.

(04-30-2011 11:08 AM)SomeKnight Wrote:  

(04-30-2011 10:59 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:   Sir Galahad, I do not have to set you up to look uninformed. You do that very well all by yourself. I will not start trading personal insults with you. I will remind you that you are a quest on a Big East site. Have a nice day.

Wilkie you're a drama queen and what the heck is a quest on a Big East Site.

I may be wrong but I think he meant to say guest...

(04-30-2011 10:56 AM)Sir Galahad Wrote:  

(04-30-2011 10:50 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Sir Robin, before further denigrating Wilkie's "ability to perceive" I suggest you review Bit's post #29 in this thread. It took "all of six posts" before you're back to your same MO.

As for me going back to my "MO." I guess it is okay for the USF mod and others to use derogatory comments about Knight Light and myself, but hey just like this situation here, apply rules where you would like.

Considering some of the vicious things that have been allowed to have been said about Cincinnati, South Florida and Louisville and the Big East fans and programs in general on the C-USA board you don't really have any grounds for complaining about things being said on this board. It's called the home court advantage.

Thank you. That would be a guest as are you.

I was thinking Wilkie was talking about Brave Sir Robin, as being a knight on his quest angle.

If he was attacking a windmill, I might believe the quest part, beej...

That would have worked, but I just screwed up.

(04-30-2011 11:16 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  That would have worked, but I just screwed up.

sh1t happens

(04-30-2011 10:51 AM)Sir Galahad Wrote:  

(04-30-2011 10:37 AM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(04-30-2011 10:16 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(04-30-2011 09:58 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  A whole bunch of horse-sh*t about nothing. Even taking the article at face-value, UCF didn't do anything wrong. Bender/Caldwell don't work or receive any benefit from UCF. And honestly, the article is a bunch of mere accusations and heresay. There is no evidence presented. Until I see some evidence, I'm not going to believe poor journalism like this. The bad part about this, is that UCF's reputation gets slandered even if we've done absolutely nothing wrong.

The fact that caldwell's son went to same school as Roompsa and jordan and they are all at UCF raises the question on how did caldwell got there.
Your AD and Basketball coach signing up to follow caldwell's twitter raises more question about on whether he has ties to your athletic department.

now this might lead to nothing, but certaintly it has been picked up by many news outlets and sure to raise attention to UCF from NCAA and that is never a good sign for any school. Nothing good can ever come from bad news like this and increasing the odds of an NCAA investigation.

These sections in the article are not good at all. When given a chance to admit that they did nothing wrong this:

Quote:Central Florida officials have largely been silent on Caldwell and the potential N.C.A.A. violations, declining to address specific questions on Caldwell’s connection to university officials and his role in recruiting. Jones and Central Florida’s athletic director, Keith Tribble, both of whom have listed Caldwell as a person they follow on Twitter, declined multiple calls and text messages seeking comment.

Not good at all, and they could have easily have said it is not true, at least say it was not to their knowledge, unless they were concerned that the NCAA was sniffing around. And when someone finally does respond this is the quote:

Quote:“N.C.A.A. rules identify permissible recruiters,” Joe Hornstein, Central Florida’s associate director for athletics, said in a statement. “If there is information that indicates that other individuals are involved in recruiting activities, we will take corrective action.”

Not good.

Because there is no NCAA violations. the story here will end up being two close friends of the Louisville basketball program wrote a hit piece on UCF and why. The good thing for UCF is Orlando's own hit piece writer is looking into just that.

Dude I've got news for you, all it takes is a spark to ignite a flame. The current Connecticut situation with the NCAA, and the situation with us and the NCAA in the late 90s were actually minor things that ballooned into major problems. It's easy to say that there are no NCAA violations, the NCAA hasn't looked into it yet. And a lot of times the NCAA doesn't find out about things until people report it or they see articles like this. Two close friends of the Louisville basketball program writing hit pieces on UCF? At multiple national media outlets? And do you think Orlando's hit piece writer is going to be unbiased? If there is nothing to this then UCF should come right out and say as much, don't sit about and potentially get slandered while the most important time in their program's history is looming. And you certainly don't send an associate out to say "Oh the NCAA has their rules about what makes a legal recruiter, if we broke the rules we'll fix it" because that is basically what has been said here and you're basically indicting yourself.

Are feelings really being hurt based on an article that doesn't prove anything yet. Geez.

Still reserving judgment until something more substantial comes out-and I think it will. Settle down.

Exactly animus. We have warned UCF fans before about things, about some issues with Big East expansion (which UCF admitted later and essentially blamed USF for) and now this. I'm not saying that they're guilty either, but I just think it looks bad when you're not going all out to defend yourself, especially with conference expansion looming and you're trying to get into the same conference that one of the people you're blaming for one issue and the other that you're arguing with over another issue currently resides in.

(04-30-2011 11:11 AM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(04-30-2011 10:56 AM)Sir Galahad Wrote:  

(04-30-2011 10:50 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Sir Robin, before further denigrating Wilkie's "ability to perceive" I suggest you review Bit's post #29 in this thread. It took "all of six posts" before you're back to your same MO.

As for me going back to my "MO." I guess it is okay for the USF mod and others to use derogatory comments about Knight Light and myself, but hey just like this situation here, apply rules where you would like.

Considering some of the vicious things that have been allowed to have been said about Cincinnati, South Florida and Louisville and the Big East fans and programs in general on the C-USA board you don't really have any grounds for complaining about things being said on this board. It's called the home court advantage.

And what I write on the CUSA board had noting to do with what is here. Just like Cardinal Jim on the Rivals board or USFFan on the big east only board.

I never said what you write had anything to do with it. What I am saying is if you say things to and about people on the C-USA board without ramifications don't get upset when you're on the other side of the fence on another board (in this case the Big East board). It happens on every message board, whether it's right or wrong is for others to decide.

(04-30-2011 11:30 AM)Sir Galahad Wrote:  

(04-30-2011 11:11 AM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(04-30-2011 10:56 AM)Sir Galahad Wrote:  

(04-30-2011 10:50 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Sir Robin, before further denigrating Wilkie's "ability to perceive" I suggest you review Bit's post #29 in this thread. It took "all of six posts" before you're back to your same MO.

As for me going back to my "MO." I guess it is okay for the USF mod and others to use derogatory comments about Knight Light and myself, but hey just like this situation here, apply rules where you would like.

Considering some of the vicious things that have been allowed to have been said about Cincinnati, South Florida and Louisville and the Big East fans and programs in general on the C-USA board you don't really have any grounds for complaining about things being said on this board. It's called the home court advantage.

And what I write on the CUSA board had noting to do with what is here. Just like Cardinal Jim on the Rivals board or USFFan on the big east only board.

So simmer down dude. Say whatever you want on CUSA Board. I could care less. But here at times like this UCF is going to be attack whether its deserved or not. Face it, UCF has a huge black eye right now. So accept that fact. People are going to talk about this issue.

Other UCF fans have had more patience w/ Big East fans, maybe you should too.

Exactly. Trust me, I've walked into a hornet's nest before on other boards, C-USA's included. It happens when you go into the "opponent's" home gym.