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Ohio House approves bill to allow weapons in bars
Ohio House approves bill to allow weapons in bars
4:22 PM, May. 11, 2011

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COLUMBUS — State legislators removed a ban on carrying weapons into restaurants, bars, sports stadiums or other public places that serve alcohol today.

By a vote of 56 to 39, the Ohio House said the state’s 210,000 residents with permits to carry concealed weapons don’t have to leave their guns in their cars or at home while socializing. State law already bans permit holders from drinking alcohol or using drugs while carrying weapons. Also, any establishment is allowed to post signs banning people from carrying guns on premises.

If signed into law by Gov. John Kasich, who says he supports it in concept, Ohio would become the 43rd state to allow patrons to carry weapons into places that serve alcohol.

House Bill 45, sponsored by state Rep Danny R. Bubp, a Republican from West Union, also loosens restrictions on carrying guns in cars that have resulted in permit holders being charged with crimes.

Bubp, a retired colonel in the U.S. Marine Corps, who served in Iraq in 2007-08, said legal gun owners should not have to leave their weapons in cars or at home if their go out to eat or to a sports event or concert where alcohol is served. Bubp said he grew up with guns on his Brown County farm, but said the first gun he was introduced in the Marine Corps was a .45-caliber pistol.

"House Bill 45. It just has a great ring to it,'' he said.

On April 13, the Ohio Senate passed a nearly identical bill, by a vote on 25 to 7.

A separate House bill, sponsored by state Rep. Ron Maag, R-Lebanon, allows people with minor drug convictions to carry weapons. It passed by a vote of 58 to 38.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110.../305110045
 
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I am surprised to see that 42 other states already allow this. I've seen a LOT of stupidity in bars. Guns and alcohol...that scares me. But maybe I'm missing something here.
 
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(05-11-2011 04:50 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  I am surprised to see that 42 other states already allow this. I've seen a LOT of stupidity in bars. Guns and alcohol...that scares me. But maybe I'm missing something here.

It applies to much more than just bars, the way the Ohio law is worded it's any place that has a liquor license for consumption on property. So for guys like me, who have a carry permit (I don't drink by the way) means that if you were going to just about every non-fast food place to eat, you were banned from carrying a weapon in there. Hell even some grocery stores have class D permits, like Jungle Jim's, etc.
 
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Yep. Can't drink and carry anyways. This doesn't impact many people. Unlike, Kenyon, I go to bars for the IPA's, Kettle One and single malts.

And the establishment is free to make its own policy and post it.
 
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They need to re-allow smoking in the mom & pop bars.

I don't smoke, and I'm not crazy about second hand smoke. But most people who go to these place like to smoke.

There is a bar in West Chester that lets people smoke after 10 pm.
 
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I have COPD (I am told by specialists that it is caused by all the second hand smoke) and I love the law in effect now. I have no problem going into bars with my friends and the majority of the bar patrons where I go do not have a complaint with going outside to light up.

Sorry for the de-railment of my own post.
 
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(05-11-2011 05:10 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Yep. Can't drink and carry anyways. This doesn't impact many people. Unlike, Kenyon, I go to bars for the IPA's, Kettle One and single malts.

And the establishment is free to make its own policy and post it.

So the law says you can carry a gun into a bar but you cannot drink while carrying?
 
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The concealed carry law has always said no drinking and carrying. The "law" still says no concealed carry in any place that has a permit to serve on the premesis. This is just a bill (I'm just a bill. and I'm sitting here on capital hill...).

This bill just restates the obvious as far as drinking goes. When its signed into law, if the establishment doesn't post a sign, you can go to a bar while carrying, you just need to order one of those good sassparillas instead.

Like I said, this won't affect many people. More pomp than circumstance.
 
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Editorial: Guns in Ohio bars? Let's not drink to that
9:24 PM, May. 13, 2011

When Ohio's concealed-carry law was enacted in 2004, opponents warned it would lead to Wild West shootouts on the streets. They were wrong. The legislation licensing qualified Ohioans to carry concealed firearms, forged through years of tough debate, struck a sometimes awkward yet reasonable balance between liberty and safety.

But now, Ohio lawmakers, with signals of support from Gov. John Kasich, are poised to upset that balance with a measure to allow concealed weapons in any establishment, whether a sports stadium, five-star restaurant or corner saloon, that serves alcohol - spiking an already volatile substance with added potential danger.

This is a bad idea, even if four other states (Tennessee, Arizona, Georgia and Virginia) already allow guns in bars. Lawmakers in the Ohio House, which approved the measure 56-40 on Wednesday, and in the Senate, which passed its own version of the bill 25-7 last month, should reconsider - and get plenty of second opinions from voters.

We urge readers to let their lawmakers know how they feel about HB45 and SB17. Contact lists for House and Senate members, as well as district maps, are online at http://www.legislature.state.oh.us

Concealed-carry hasn't been a partisan issue in Ohio, but more an urban-vs.-rural issue. Its original champion back in 1995 was then-Sen. Joe Vukovich, D-Poland. The final version passed in 2004 by 69-24 in the House, 25-8 in the Senate, making Ohio the 46th state to allow some form of concealed-carry.

The law restored basic rights and corrected injustices, such as an absurd 1859 statute that left Ohioans with a legitimate, work-related need to carry a gun only one way to prove it - get arrested, go to court and be found not guilty.

The bar bill corrects no real problems - just the inconvenience to permit holders who want to enter a bar or restaurant (but not to drink) - but creates the potential for new ones. It's no surprise the Ohio Restaurant Association opposes it, as do law enforcement groups.

Fortunately, state law prohibits permit holders from drinking alcohol or using drugs while carrying a weapon. But it's not unreasonable to imagine a situation in which a patron under the influence in a crowded bar gains possession of someone else's legally carried gun.

At the very least, lawmakers should change their bill to look more like Kentucky's law, which bans guns in places that predominantly sell alcohol but permits them in food-serving areas of restaurants.

The one saving grace under the current bill is that the owner of any liquor-serving establishment can choose to ban guns - but it's not a stretch to assume that some of the establishments with the most potential for trouble might be the ones least likely to ban guns.

The push to allow guns virtually everywhere is going on elsewhere.

Last year, Indiana's "parking lot law" made it illegal for employers to prohibit guns from their property if they are locked inside an employee's vehicle. Last month, it followed up with a law forbidding employers to ask their employees whether or not they own, possess or use guns.

Now, we believe in citizens' Second Amendment right, and recognize that legal experts and courts are increasingly taking the view that it is an individual right.

But this is getting a little creepy. As now-Ohio Chief Justice Maureen O'Connor wrote in a 2003 decision, "The police, the state, the legislature have the right to regulate the right to bear arms. It's not an unfettered right."

Despite the wide vote margins in both the House and Senate, support may be soft among lawmakers for parts of this legislation, notably extending carry rights into places that serve liquor but little or no food.

So there's an opportunity for Ohioans to weigh in before the final bill. We think they should tell lawmakers that guns and alcohol really don't mix - and that this bill needs to be, let's just say, recalibrated.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110...RONTPAGE|p
 
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Yeah, I saw that editorial and am not big on legalizing concealed carry within establishments whose primary purpose is to serve alcohol. Makes me squirm.

Friend of mine lives in the Mansion Hill area of Newport and was out weeding his yard last night. Some black dude comes up to him and pistol whips him across the chest with an automatic and tells him to "Get out of here niggur," which makes no sense given he's white. Friend thought it was a joke being pulled by the neighbors and just looked at the guy and said, "What do you want?" The attacker's friends started laughing, which may have thwarted the deal, whatever it was.

Not relevant really to the discussion, except maybe a call to be armed when weeding your yard.
 
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The editorial is a bunch of crap. Most other states with CCW laws allow permit holders to carry in places that serve alcohol, Ohio is one of the few states that doesn't. This isn't groundbreaking legislation, just simply allowing what most other states already do, including Kentucky and Indiana.
 
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Guns? Good idea. Alcohol? Good idea. Guns and alcohol...bad idea.
 
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What part of it's already illegal to mix the two is hard to grasp?
 
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Honestly. Does anyone who apposes this law believe guns are not routinely carried into bars by those who then drink alcohol? The very bars you may frequent.

Of course, those are the very people who obtain and possess guns illegally.
 
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(05-18-2011 09:33 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  What part of it's already illegal to mix the two is hard to grasp?

Actually, the change in law is quite clear.

Before it was illegal to carry a gun into a bar. Now it is legal.

Again, everything is black and white to you, so why bother to discuss, Perpetually Angry Conservative Man. Too bad we can't.
 
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(05-18-2011 02:39 PM)beck Wrote:  Guns? Good idea. Alcohol? Good idea. Guns and alcohol...bad idea.

You could easily substitute the word 'vehicles' for guns, yet we don't require everyone to arrive at a bar in a cab.
 
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(05-19-2011 01:02 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(05-18-2011 09:33 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  What part of it's already illegal to mix the two is hard to grasp?

Actually, the change in law is quite clear.

Before it was illegal to carry a gun into a bar. Now it is legal.

Again, everything is black and white to you, so why bother to discuss, Perpetually Angry Conservative Man. Too bad we can't.

Angry conservative? Try laughing at the lockstep libtards, registered democrat with Libertarian stickers on his car. Here's a tip. Don't wear the knees out on your jeans for any political party.

And before you call BS, let's meet for a coffee at the Hamilton County Board of Elections to verify my status and voting history. You pick the day. Loser buys the coffee.

But I digress.

You are probably one of the reflexive party wonks that conveniently ignored all the hard data when Ohio was talking about joining the other 46 states that had concealed carry laws because it was going to turn the city into ye' Olde West, huh?

People who carry illegally are already carrying guns into bars and restaraunts - even your favorite haunts. People who follow the law and have their CCW permit won't if they are going to drink.

And yes, Kenyon is right. This is not a novel idea Ohio just came up with:
 
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