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(05-16-2011 10:58 AM)ruffles Wrote:  
(05-16-2011 10:42 AM)BearcatOtto Wrote:  Understand that in-week schedules are dictated by travel distance. UC actually has a pretty decent amount of schools to pick from within a 2-3 hour bus trip. But just because you have those schools close does not mean schedules always will match.

We have Louisville in the league. We play X and Miami multiple games. Wright State (good program) and Dayton are on the schedule every year. We play Indiana and Kentucky consistently. We played Toledo this year.

Very few teams, if any ( I'm too lazy to look up schedules), will travel far for weekend OOC games. Everybody's budget is limited. You have two trips per year most years. This year we played in The First Pitch Invitational in Clemson and the Big East/Big Ten Challenge. Both scheduled early in the year to get away from bad weather in Cincinnati.

UC currently has 11 players playing Pro ball. Every one of them were recruited and coached by Cleary. Apparently he has an eye for talent and can coach them enough to get drafted. Youkilis is at Boston. Tony Campana and Josh Harrison are both in AAA and batting over .300. Spina has moved up to AA this year and leads his team in home runs. And there are more. Visit GoBearcats.com for more info.

You can state that you are not sold on Cleary but you would be wrong.

One other stat...UC baseball players carry a colective GPA of over 3.0...(probably higher but I cannot find the exact stat). Coach Cleary graduates his student athletes and prepares them for life after college.


Yes in-week games are dictated by travel. No Indiana this year. Otterbein? Morehead St every year? Younstown St for 3, Cleveland St for 3 and Western Michigan for 4 were weekend series not week day games. Your analysis is way off. Bottom line is with the schedule they played this year they SHOULD have a winning record. The question should be how much over .500 they should be.

Is the primary function of a college coach to get players drafted. Kind of funny to have college coaches listing that as an accomplishment like they had alot to do with developing that talent.

Otto - are you too close to the situation to be able to be objective? You get pretty defensive quickly saying someone is wrong. As I said - I AM NOT sold on Cleary and after as long as he has been at UC if you aren't sold on him that says alot.

By the way - Okie St just came to Ohio St for 2 week day games and a Florida team did the same the week before. I guess some teams can get teams to travel during the week.

Drafted is not the primary objective but it certainly helps with name recognition and recruiting.

When we are talking about football and basketball recruiting, how many times have a read that people think a kid should go to a certain school because it offers him the best oportunity to achieve the next level. Why does that not apply for baseball as well?
 
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(05-16-2011 10:58 AM)ruffles Wrote:  
(05-16-2011 10:42 AM)BearcatOtto Wrote:  Understand that in-week schedules are dictated by travel distance. UC actually has a pretty decent amount of schools to pick from within a 2-3 hour bus trip. But just because you have those schools close does not mean schedules always will match.

We have Louisville in the league. We play X and Miami multiple games. Wright State (good program) and Dayton are on the schedule every year. We play Indiana and Kentucky consistently. We played Toledo this year.

Very few teams, if any ( I'm too lazy to look up schedules), will travel far for weekend OOC games. Everybody's budget is limited. You have two trips per year most years. This year we played in The First Pitch Invitational in Clemson and the Big East/Big Ten Challenge. Both scheduled early in the year to get away from bad weather in Cincinnati.

UC currently has 11 players playing Pro ball. Every one of them were recruited and coached by Cleary. Apparently he has an eye for talent and can coach them enough to get drafted. Youkilis is at Boston. Tony Campana and Josh Harrison are both in AAA and batting over .300. Spina has moved up to AA this year and leads his team in home runs. And there are more. Visit GoBearcats.com for more info.

You can state that you are not sold on Cleary but you would be wrong.

One other stat...UC baseball players carry a colective GPA of over 3.0...(probably higher but I cannot find the exact stat). Coach Cleary graduates his student athletes and prepares them for life after college.


Yes in-week games are dictated by travel. No Indiana this year. Otterbein? Morehead St every year? Younstown St for 3, Cleveland St for 3 and Western Michigan for 4 were weekend series not week day games. Your analysis is way off. Bottom line is with the schedule they played this year they SHOULD have a winning record. The question should be how much over .500 they should be.

Is the primary function of a college coach to get players drafted. Kind of funny to have college coaches listing that as an accomplishment like they had alot to do with developing that talent.

Otto - are you too close to the situation to be able to be objective? You get pretty defensive quickly saying someone is wrong. As I said - I AM NOT sold on Cleary and after as long as he has been at UC if you aren't sold on him that says alot.

By the way - Okie St just came to Ohio St for 2 week day games and a Florida team did the same the week before. I guess some teams can get teams to travel during the week.

Drafted is not the primary objective but it certainly helps with name recognition and recruiting.

When we are talking about football and basketball recruiting, how many times have a read that people think a kid should go to a certain school because it offers him the best oportunity to achieve the next level. Why does that not apply for baseball as well?

I think that is absolutely a part of recruiting. Every kid that is being recruited to play D-1 baseball has a goal to play pro ball. However, that can't be the biggest achievement a coach has as really how many times does a college coach really have much to do with developing the talent of the drafted kid? They guys have the attributes that pro scouts are looking for when they arrive on campus. However, in their bios they take the credit for it. Campana didn't give Campana the ability to run. He hit immediately when transferring to UC. Spina? Same swing when he left campus as when he transferred in. There has to be more than just getting guys drafted. One of those things is wins/losses against strong competition. I say strong because it is too easy to load up your OOC schedule with wins to just go on wins/losses. How does a coach develop the non-pro prospect player? Most of your roster is made up of these guys. Cleary has had some guys drafted and now progressing to the major leagues. You can give him credit but you will also have to ask the question with all that talent why hasn't the Bearcats one more?
 
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Spina's swing was not the same when he left UC, the coaching staff made changes to it while he was at UC. If you look at his 2008 numbers you can even see when it happened. He struggled that year, hitting in the mid .200 range and only hitting 2 home runs. Then around early April of that season things completely turned around and he went on to hit 21 total home runs and hit .377. That turn around was due to changes the staff made in his swing.
 
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Youkilis was not recruited heavily. He was not very good in high school. He worked hard with the coaches to improve.

All Campana had when he came to UC was speed. He worked with the coaches to learn to hit and bunt.

Chris Peters was a skinny kid with no bat when he came to UC. Now he hits over .300 and has been solid in the field.

Do these players improve on their own? If so, why compete at this level? Why not just get better in summer leagues? Why not enjoy the campus life without the off season workouts?

As for the schedule, it seems you think that you can just call and OSU, or Michigan, or Texas, or Florida and get them to schedule us in Cincinnati. It ain't going to happen. We could be ranked in the top 10 and it wouldn't happen. We get TCU next year in the league which should help our profile if we can beat them.

Until our budget situation gets stronger, our program will not be able to compete on a level playing field. That is not the coaches fault. You work with what you have.
 
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Youkilis was not recruited heavily. He was not very good in high school. He worked hard with the coaches to improve.

All Campana had when he came to UC was speed. He worked with the coaches to learn to hit and bunt.

Chris Peters was a skinny kid with no bat when he came to UC. Now he hits over .300 and has been solid in the field.

Do these players improve on their own? If so, why compete at this level? Why not just get better in summer leagues? Why not enjoy the campus life without the off season workouts?

As for the schedule, it seems you think that you can just call and OSU, or Michigan, or Texas, or Florida and get them to schedule us in Cincinnati. It ain't going to happen. We could be ranked in the top 10 and it wouldn't happen. We get TCU next year in the league which should help our profile if we can beat them.

Until our budget situation gets stronger, our program will not be able to compete on a level playing field. That is not the coaches fault. You work with what you have.
 
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TCU will join the league in the 2013 season. They do not join until the fall of 2012. We still have one more year without them.
 
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(05-17-2011 09:31 AM)BearcatOtto Wrote:  Youkilis was not recruited heavily. He was not very good in high school. He worked hard with the coaches to improve.

All Campana had when he came to UC was speed. He worked with the coaches to learn to hit and bunt.

Chris Peters was a skinny kid with no bat when he came to UC. Now he hits over .300 and has been solid in the field.

Do these players improve on their own? If so, why compete at this level? Why not just get better in summer leagues? Why not enjoy the campus life without the off season workouts?

As for the schedule, it seems you think that you can just call and OSU, or Michigan, or Texas, or Florida and get them to schedule us in Cincinnati. It ain't going to happen. We could be ranked in the top 10 and it wouldn't happen. We get TCU next year in the league which should help our profile if we can beat them.

Until our budget situation gets stronger, our program will not be able to compete on a level playing field. That is not the coaches fault. You work with what you have.

So I guess you are saying we are going to have to be content with .500 seasons and watching a few guys progress thru the minor leagues? I don't see the budget changing anytime soon do you? So lower the expectations. Why did we put that baseball facility on campus?
 
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What I'm saying is that we will not be able to recruit outside of Ohio and we are basically playing shorthanded.

Until we can get the best recruits, no matter where they live, it will be an issue.

When you shrink the size of your recruiting pool you limit your ability to get the best fits.

Concerning the record...there are currently only 5 teams in our league with a better than .500 overall record. UConn is running away with the league this year, but we are only three games out of second place. If only two games went the other way, we would be sitting alone in second place and everybody would be happy.

You don't go undefeated in baseball...You don't win 90% of you games in baseball. A solid winning percentage is much lower than those figures. If you would have been to more games over the years, you would see the progress made since the opening of Marge Schott Stadium. My guess is that you have not been to one game and baseing your negative response by record alone.

Again, take out his first two years and the two years with no home games and Coach Cleary's overall winning percentage is better than many.

One more point, try recruiting when you have no home field and you have no locker room, and your campus facilities are antiquated. All this was true for a two year period and it cannot help but set your program back. Our facilities now allowing us to recruit better players. When, and if, we have a level recruiting field, you will see better players on board.
 
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What I'm saying is that we will not be able to recruit outside of Ohio and we are basically playing shorthanded.

Until we can get the best recruits, no matter where they live, it will be an issue.

When you shrink the size of your recruiting pool you limit your ability to get the best fits.

Concerning the record...there are currently only 5 teams in our league with a better than .500 overall record. UConn is running away with the league this year, but we are only three games out of second place. If only two games went the other way, we would be sitting alone in second place and everybody would be happy.

You don't go undefeated in baseball...You don't win 90% of you games in baseball. A solid winning percentage is much lower than those figures. If you would have been to more games over the years, you would see the progress made since the opening of Marge Schott Stadium. My guess is that you have not been to one game and baseing your negative response by record alone.

Again, take out his first two years and the two years with no home games and Coach Cleary's overall winning percentage is better than many.

One more point, try recruiting when you have no home field and you have no locker room, and your campus facilities are antiquated. All this was true for a two year period and it cannot help but set your program back. Our facilities now allowing us to recruit better players. When, and if, we have a level recruiting field, you will see better players on board.
 
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Too many excuses. And yes, I go to games.
 
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(05-17-2011 01:31 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Too many excuses. And yes, I go to games.

Ha to Rathbo facts=excuses. Im with Subflea and Otto on this one. I think it would be a bad decision to get rid of Cleary. I expect UC to have a top 3 finish in the conference next year.
 
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Not directed at you Rath.

Ruffles question why we have baseball.

I suggested that he doesn't go to games. He clearly has no idea of the progress made over the last few years in the quality of our program and recruits.
 
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Not directed at you Rath.

Ruffles question why we have baseball.

I suggested that he doesn't go to games. He clearly has no idea of the progress made over the last few years in the quality of our program and recruits.
 
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(05-17-2011 01:57 PM)chicago bearcat Wrote:  
(05-17-2011 01:31 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Too many excuses. And yes, I go to games.

Ha to Rathbo facts=excuses. Im with Subflea and Otto on this one. I think it would be a bad decision to get rid of Cleary. I expect UC to have a top 3 finish in the conference next year.

How many games have you seen in Cleary's 14 years?
 
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(05-17-2011 02:50 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
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(05-17-2011 01:31 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Too many excuses. And yes, I go to games.

Ha to Rathbo facts=excuses. Im with Subflea and Otto on this one. I think it would be a bad decision to get rid of Cleary. I expect UC to have a top 3 finish in the conference next year.

How many games have you seen in Cleary's 14 years?

Tony, I hate to say this, but you are doing a helluva Trumpy imitation.
 
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(05-17-2011 01:26 PM)BearcatOtto Wrote:  What I'm saying is that we will not be able to recruit outside of Ohio and we are basically playing shorthanded.

Until we can get the best recruits, no matter where they live, it will be an issue.

When you shrink the size of your recruiting pool you limit your ability to get the best fits.

Concerning the record...there are currently only 5 teams in our league with a better than .500 overall record. UConn is running away with the league this year, but we are only three games out of second place. If only two games went the other way, we would be sitting alone in second place and everybody would be happy.

You don't go undefeated in baseball...You don't win 90% of you games in baseball. A solid winning percentage is much lower than those figures. If you would have been to more games over the years, you would see the progress made since the opening of Marge Schott Stadium. My guess is that you have not been to one game and baseing your negative response by record alone.

Again, take out his first two years and the two years with no home games and Coach Cleary's overall winning percentage is better than many.

One more point, try recruiting when you have no home field and you have no locker room, and your campus facilities are antiquated. All this was true for a two year period and it cannot help but set your program back. Our facilities now allowing us to recruit better players. When, and if, we have a level recruiting field, you will see better players on board.

Otto - stop living in the past. The baseball facility has been there for many years. Facilites is not an issue and has nothing to do with players currently on the team. Now if you would like to discuss not developing kids you recruit from high school and have to go to the junior colleges every two or three years to fill holes in your roster then we are talking.

Do I go to games - well I have been a season ticket holder for the past 4 years. What do you think?

Again - win and losses with a very ordinary OOC schedule should be better than what UC is getting from this coach. WIth the facilites and recruiting bed that UC is located in UC should be looking to be a Louisville and/or Kent State type program that is there year in and year out. Yes I know Louisville is having a down year for them but take a good look at the OOC schedule they play with their facilities.
 
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(05-17-2011 02:55 PM)ctipton Wrote:  
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(05-17-2011 01:31 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Too many excuses. And yes, I go to games.

Ha to Rathbo facts=excuses. Im with Subflea and Otto on this one. I think it would be a bad decision to get rid of Cleary. I expect UC to have a top 3 finish in the conference next year.

How many games have you seen in Cleary's 14 years?

Tony, I hate to say this, but you are doing a helluva Trumpy imitation.

So you going to chime in on this topic with no knowledge? Or have you been going to these games too?

Of all of UC sports, if you don't go to these games, its hard to form an opinion one way or the other.
 
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(05-17-2011 02:40 PM)BearcatOtto Wrote:  Not directed at you Rath.

Ruffles question why we have baseball.

I suggested that he doesn't go to games. He clearly has no idea of the progress made over the last few years in the quality of our program and recruits.

I questioned why you would build the facilites we have and not want a top notch baseball program. I suggest you read more carefully.
 
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