(05-15-2011 04:10 PM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:  

(05-15-2011 02:01 PM)b Wrote:  

(05-15-2011 11:45 AM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:  The answer to the question is, no.

I wish I could answer yes, but too many things have to go right for that to happen.

If you were told to rank an unknown ncaa tourney team from a bcs conference that returns it's top four scorers and leaders in most stat cat. I'm sure most would have them ranked pretty high.

now you put the name UC on it and now you waver. Why?

fact is, we will play a weak pre conference schedule which should have us ranked in the neighborhood of the top 10. If we compete in the BE, we will be right there.

there are some doubts about the program we may need to further explore it seems.

Because, at this point in the year, I know UC well enough to understand most of our strengths & weaknesses. Cashmere's health? Will Yancy play like a top 5 PF/C? Will we replace Thomas with anl equal or better person? Will we have at least 2 players who will average .375 or better at 3 point range?

Now, I'll take an 80% Cashmere, but will a non 100% Cashmere get us to top 10?

If I wanted to analyze other teams that are usually in the top 10-15, I might have a statement to make about them also.

I believe the original talking point changed when Rath said this isn't even a top 20 team.

I love how UC's program has gotten to a point where we're yelling at each other about whether or not UC will start next season ranked and not about whether or not Mick should even be coaching the team.

Glad to have UC basketball back!

(05-15-2011 03:18 PM)b Wrote:  

(05-15-2011 02:38 PM)subflea Wrote:  The schedule, while weak will have some early tests that may keep the team from getting too high in the rankings as they get through typical early season struggles of fitting new pieces into place. Oklahoma will be better than last year.

are we the only team fitting new pieces in place? OU? we kicked their a$$ last year, they lose their top scorer, have a new coach, and not much as far as recruiting. Why are we afraid of them? Sure, we could lose as we could to anyone. but i'm sure we'll be the favorites going in

Quote:and we will play on the road against an SEC team, possibly Kentucky.

possibly a bad sec team as well. do you know which sec teams are in the running and who are not? my gut says it won't be uk. but we'll see.
It seems you are working hard lower our expectations. why?

Duke will have 3 players go in the first round and play a brutal non conf schedule. I bet their fans are embracing it.

Kansas lose 4 starters and I bet their fans expect nothing less then a strong season.

I don't get why the rules are so different for uc then they are for every other program.

I actually agree with most of what you are saying, but Duke has Coach K and Kansas has Bill Self. I think Mick is a pretty good coach, but he doesn't bring what those coaches bring to a program quite yet.

(05-15-2011 02:24 PM)b Wrote:  Two things,

1)we don't have to replace bishop and thomas overnight.

2) Some of you seem to think that UC is the only school that is losing players.

As for #1, true, and I did say that in my original post.

#2, very well put I had actually thought about that after my post. If we're discussing replacing key people, very few teams (if any at all) have top-10 credentials. Hell, UK always has to replace a slew of guys.

I don't know how far this team can go, but it's refreshing to see some analysts out there claim significant potential. It gets me excited.

Every team replaces key people and sometimes they even replace those key people with Freshman.

But usually they don't lose two key people ("starters") and have to replace both positions with Freshman or RS Freshman. Well except for Kentucky, I suppose.

I agree with b and lots of others that the "core" of our team that is returning is very solid. Hell when was the last time we had a starting PG coming back for his third playing year?

I am not saying we can't be a very good team, I think we can, but we are going to have to adjust greatly to accommodate guys who have never played a D1 game and yet are going to be 100% essential to back filling starter roles.

Here is Zagsblog's take FWIW. Don't necessarily agree with where he has all the teams but it shows who is leaving, who is staying, and who is coming in.

Quote:Syracuse, Louisville Lead Big East Preseason RankingsBy Adam Zagoria on May 13, 2011, 12:19PM

Now that we know who’s in and who’s out of the NBA Draft, it’s time to take a look at the Big East preseason rankings for the 2011-12 season.

1. SYRACUSE (27-8, 12-6 Big East)

Key Losses: Sr. F Rick Jackson (13.1 ppg, 10.3 rpg)

Key Returnees: Jr. F Kris Joseph (14.3 ppg, 5.2 rpg), Jr. G Scoop Jardine (12.5 ppg, 5.9 apg), So. G Brandon Triche (11.1 ppg, 2.9 apg), Fr. G Dion Waiters (6.6 ppg), Fr. C Fab Melo (2.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg)

Key Additions: C Rakeem Christmas, SG Michael Carter-Williams, SG Trevor Cooney

The Skinny: The Orange bring back a ton of experience in Joseph, Jardine and Triche, while the young big men — Melo, C.J. Fair and Baye Moussa Keita all have a year of experience in the vaunted 2-3 zone under their belt. Watch out for Carter-Williams, assistant coach Mike Hopkins’ prized recruit who led the Peach Jam in scoring last summer.


2. LOUISVILLE (25-10, 12-6)

Key Losses: Sr. G Preston Knowles (14.6 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 3.1 apg), Jr. F Terrence Jennings (9.6 ppg, 5.2 rpg)

Key Returnees: Jr. G Kyle Kuric (10.8 ppg, 3.9 rpg), So. G Peyton Siva (9.9 ppg, 5.2 apg), Jr. G Chris Smith (9.4 rpg, 4.6 rpg), So. F Rakeem Buckles (6.8 ppg, 6.1 rpg), So. G Mike Marra (6.4 ppg, 2.1 rpg), Fr. C Gorgui Dieng (5.7 ppg, 1.9 bpg)

Key Additions: SG Wayne Blackshear, PF Chane Behanan, C Zack Price, SF Angel Nunez, SF Ryan Taylor

The Skinny: The Cardinals made a surprise run to the Big East tournament final, and return virtually their entire team minus Knowles and Jennings, who opted to declare for the NBA Draft a year early. Head coach Rick Pitino brings in ESPN’s No. 9 recruiting class, including four-stars Blackshear, Behanan and Price. Blackshear and Behanan were already talking trash with the Kentucky signees at the McDonald’s All-American Game.


3. PITTSBURGH (28-6, 15-3)

Key Losses: Sr. G Brad Wanamaker (11.7 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 5.1 apg), Sr. F Gilbert Brown (11.3 ppg, 4.4 rpg), Sr. C Gary McGhee (6.9 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 1.3 bpg)

Key Returnees: Jr. G Ashton Gibbs (16.8 ppg), Jr. F Nasir Robinson (9.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg), So. G Travon Woodall (6.4 ppg, 3.4 apg), So. F Dante Taylor (5.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg), Fr. F J.J. Moore (3.7 ppg), So. F Talib Zanna (3.7 ppg, 3.4 rpg)

Key Additions: RS Fr. G Cameron Wright, RS Fr. G Isaiah Epps, C Khem Birch, C Malcolm Gilbert, SG Durand Johnson, SG John Johnson

The Skinny: Gibbs made the right decision in pulling out of the NBA Draft and figures to challenge for Big East Player of the Year honors. Yes, the Panthers will miss Wanamaker’s steady hand in the backcourt, but Woodall and the 6-4 Wright should help compensate for his loss. Brown and McGhee are both gone from the frontcourt, but Pitt brings in the 6-9 Birch, a McDonald’s All-American, and the 6-11 shot-blocking Gilbert to complement an experienced group that includes Robinson, Taylor and Zanna. Look for Moore, a natural scorer out of Brentwood, N.Y., to step up his offensive production as well.


4. CINCINNATI (26-9, 11-7)

Key Losses: Sr. F Rashad Bishop (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg), Sr. G Larry Davis (4.5 ppg). Sr. F Ibrahima Thomas (5.7 ppg, 5.3 rpg)

Key Returnees: Jr. F Yancy Gates (11.9 ppg, 6.9 rpg), Jr. G Dion Dixon (11.6 ppg, 2.9 prg), Fr. G Sean Kilpatrick (9.7 ppg, 3.2 rpg), So. G Cashmere Wright (8.9 ppg, 3.9 apg)

Key Additions: SF Shaquille Thomas, SF Jermaine Sanders, PG Ge’Lawn Guyn, SG Jeremiah Davis, PF Octavius Ellis, PF Cheikh Mbodj

The Skinny: The Bearcats reached the third round of the NCAA Tournament before losing to eventual champion UConn, and Mick Cronin’s club returns an experienced core in Gates, Dixon, Kilpatrick and Wright. The New York/New Jersey pipeline continues with athletic wing scorers Thomas and Sanders, the New York Post’s Manhattan Player of the Year.


5. UCONN (32-9, 9-9)

Key Losses: Jr. G Kemba Walker (23.5 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 4.5 apg), So. F Jamal Coombs-McDaniel (5.6 ppg, 2.6 rpg), Sr. C Charles Okwandu (2.9 ppg, 2.8 rpg)

Key Returnees: Fr. G/F Jeremy Lamb (11.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg), So. F/C Alex Oriakhi (9.6 ppg, 8.7 rpg), Fr. G Shabazz Napier (7.8 ppg, 3.0 apg), Fr. F Roscoe Smith (6.3 ppg, 5.2 rpg)

Key Additions: PG Ryan Boatright

The Skinny: Kemba-mania is headed to the NBA, yet the defending national champs return an athletic young core in Lamb, Napier, Smith and Oriakhi, who won 11 straight postseason games, including an unprecedented five straight in the Big East tournament. Lamb, Smith and Oriakhi must be the go-to guys in Walker’s absence, and role players like freshmen Niels Giffey and Tyler Olander will have to step up and produce more in the brutal Big East.


6. MARQUETTE (22-15, 9-9)

Key Losses: Sr. G/F Jimmy Butler (15.7 ppg, 6.1 rpg), Sr. G Dwight Buycks (8.8 ppg, 3.4 apg), Sr. F Joe Fulce

Key Returnees: Jr. G Darius Johnson-Odom (15.8 ppg, 3.0 rpg), Jr. F Jae Crowder (11.8 ppg, 6.8 rpg), So. C Chris Otule (5.1 ppg, 3.6 rpg), Fr. G Vander Blue (5.1 ppg), So. G Junior Cadougan (4.0 ppg, 3.2 apg)

Key Additions: RS So. F Jamil Wilson, SF Juan Anderson, PG Derrick Wilson, SG Todd Mayo

The Skinny: The Golden Eagles were one of just two Big East teams to advance to the Sweet 16, where they were hammered by North Carolina, 81-63, in Newark. With the return of Johnson-Odom and Crowder, Marquette features two of the most dangerous players in the Big East. Cadougan is becoming one of the more experienced floor generals in the league, and Oregon transfer Jamil Wilson, Derrick Wilson, Anderson and Mayo should add athletic depth.


7. WEST VIRGINIA (21-12, 11-7)

Key Losses: Sr. G Casey Mitchell (13.6 ppg, 2.8 rpg), Sr. F John Flowers (9.2 ppg, 6.2 rpg), Sr. G Joe Mazzulla (7.7 ppg, 4.2 apg)

Key Returnees: Jr. F Kevin Jones (13.1 ppg, 7.5 rpg), Jr. G Darryl Bryant (11.3 ppg, 3.0 apg), So. F Deniz Kilicli (6.6 ppg, 4.0 rpg)

Key Additions: PG Jabarie Hinds, SF Aaron Brown, PG Gary Browne, PF Tommie McCune, PF Keaton Miles, C Pat Forsythe, PF Dominic Rutledge

The Skinny: The 6-8 Jones out of Mount Vernon tested the NBA waters but returns for his senior season and should be among the league’s best players. Another Mount Vernon product, the jet-quick Hinds, enters to help spell Bryant at the point guard spot. Bob Huggins and company believe Rutledge, a 6-foot-8, 230-pound Newark, N.J. native, will step in and make an impact right away.


8. VILLANOVA (21-12, 9-9)

Key Losses: Sr. G Corey Fisher (15.6 ppg, 4.8 apg), Sr. G Corey Stokes (14.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg), Sr. F Antonio Pena (9.8 ppg, 7.1 rpg)

Key Returnees: So. G. Maalik Wayns (13.8 ppg, 4.5 apg), So. F/C. Mouph Yarou (8.4 ppg, 7.1 rpg), So. G Dominic Cheek (5.6 ppg, 3.4 rpg)

Key Additions: PG Tyrone Johnson, SG Achraf Yacoubou, C Markus Kennedy, SG Darrun Hilliard

The Skinny: Fisher, Stokes and Pena combined for more than 40 points a game last season for a Villanova team that lost six straight and eight of 10 to end the season. Wayns, Yarou, Cheek, Maurice Sutton and James Bell will now lead Jay Wright’s team into a new era. One big question mark surrounds freshman forward JayVaughn Pinkston of Brooklyn who expects to return to the team after last season’s legal difficulties. Johnson and Yacoubou should continue the trend of talented New York/New Jersey guards at ‘Nova.


9. GEORGETOWN (21-11, 10-8)

Key Losses: Sr. G Austin Freeman (17.6 ppg, 3.7 rpg), Sr. G Chris Wright (12.9 ppg, 5.3 apg)

Key Returnees: Jr. G Jason Clark (12.0 ppg, 4.1 rpg), So. F Hollis Thompson (8.6 ppg, 4.4 rpg), Fr. F Nate Lubick (4.0 ppg, 3.5 rpg)

Key Additions: SF Otto Porter, C Mikael Hopkins, SG Jabril Trawick, C Tyler Adams, PF Greg Whittington

The Skinny: Freeman and Wright (when healthy) were two of the most dynamic players in the Big East, yet Clark returns, as does Thompson after testing the NBA waters. They figure to join freshman guard Markel Starks and junior center Henry Sims in the starting lineup. The Hoyas also bring in four-star recruits Porter, Hopkins and Trawick in addition to the versatile Whittington, whom the staff is very high on.


10. NOTRE DAME (27-7, 14-4)

Key Losses: Sr. G Ben Hansbrough (18.4 ppg, 4.3 apg), Jr. F Carleton Scott (11.2 ppg, 7.4 rpg), Sr. F Tyrone Nash (9.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg),

Key Returnees: Sr. F Tim Abromaitis (15.4 ppg, 6.1 rpg), So. G Scott Martin (9.7 ppg, 4.8 rpg), Fr. G Eric Atkins (5.8 ppg, 3.2 rpg)

Key Additions: SF Pat Connaughton, PF Eric Katenda

The Skinny: Mike Brey opted to remain at Notre Dame instead of replacing Gary Williams at Maryland, yet his team loses the quartet of Hansbrough, Nash and Scott, who combined to average 39.1 points and 17.2 rebounds per game. Still, Brey is one of the best in the business and must now rely on Abromaitis, Martin, Atkins, and big man Jack Cooley, along with Connaughton, Katenda and guard Jerian Grant, none of whom have played a minute of college hoops.


11. SOUTH FLORIDA (10-23, 3-15)

Key Losses: Sr. F/C Jarrid Famous (8.7 ppg, 5.4 rpg)

Key Returnees: Jr. F/C Gus Gilchrist (13.4 ppg, 6.0 rpg), So. G Jawanza Poland (9.1 ppg, 2.6 rpg), Jr. G Hugh Robertson (8.3 ppg, 4.3 rpg)

Key Additions: SF Victor Rudd, C Jordan Omogbehin, PG Anthony Collins, C Andre Jackson, PG Blake Nash

The Skinny: This could be Stan Heath’s most talented team ever. The Bulls can field the tallest team in the Big East with the 7-3 Omogbehin, the 6-10 Jackson and the 6-10 Gilchrist, a future pro. The 6-7 Rudd is an impact transfer from Arizona State and Nash is a second-team JUCO All-American.


12. RUTGERS (15-17, 5-13)

Key Losses: Sr. F Jonathan Mitchell (14.4 ppg, 5.6 rpg), Sr. G James Beatty (8.8 ppg, 3.1 apg), Sr. G Mike Coburn (8.8 ppg, 4.0 apg)

Key Returnees: Fr. F Gilvydas Biruta (9.6 ppg, 5.6 ppg), So. F Dane Miller (9.2 ppg, 6.1 rpg), Fr. G Mike Poole (5.6 ppg, 3.3 rpg)

Key Additions: PG Myles Mack, PF Kadeem Jack, PG Jerome Seagears, PF Derrick Randall, C Greg Lewis, SF Malick Kone, PG Elijah Carter

The Skinny: Second-year coach Mike Rice brings in a Top 15 recruiting class led by former St. Anthony point guard Myles Mack, who led the Friars to an undefeated season and mythical national championship. The Knights also landed the 6-2 Carter, the Brewster (N.H.) Academy combo guard, in the late signing period to replace the losses of Tyree Graham (Achilles’ injury) and Mike Taylor (prep school). How quickly Mack and Seagears adapt to running the show at the Big East level will go a long way in determining this season’s results.


13. SETON HALL (13-18, 7-11)

Key Losses: Sr. G Jeremy Hazell (19.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg), Sr. F Jeff Robinson (12.1 ppg, 6.4 rpg)

Key Returnees: Jr. G Jordan Theodore (11.0 ppg, 4.4 apg), Jr. F Herb Pope (9.8 ppg, 7.9 rpg), Fr. F Fuquan Edwin (7.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg)

Key Additions: PG Aaron Cosby, C Kevin Johnson, PF Brandon Mobley, PG Freddie Wilson, PG Sean Grennan, SG Haralds Karlis

The Skinny: Kevin Willard’s team will enter the post-Hazell Era and must make up for his 20 points per game. Pope is a huge wildcard since he is coming off heart surgery in 2010 and a mediocre campaign as he recovered. If he can return to full health and provide a constant double-double threat down low, he could be a terror in the Big East. Cosby figures to provide some offense in the backcourt alongside Theodore, who had an up-and-down season. Questions surround the academic eligibility of the 6-10 Johnson, with sources close to the situation saying he must go JUCO first. The 6-9 Mobley could also be a factor in the frontcourt.


14. ST. JOHN’S (21-12, 12-6)

Key Losses: Sr. G Dwight Hardy (18.3 ppg), Sr. F Justin Brownlee (12.3 ppg, 5.2 rpg), Sr. F D.J. Kennedy (10.4 ppg, 5.6 rpg), Sr. G Paris Horne (7.9 ppg), Sr. F Justin Burrell (6.3 ppg, 4.9 rpg)

Key Returnees: Fr. F Dwyane Polee Jr. (4.4 ppg, 2.5 rpg)

Key Additions: SF Maurice Harkless, SF Sir’Dominic Pointer, SF JaKarr Sampson, SG D’Angelo Harrison, PF Norvel Pelle, SF Amir Garrett, PG Phil Greene, SG Nurideen Lindsey, PF God’s Gift Achiuwa

The Skinny: One year removed from their first NCAA Tournament bid since 2002, the Johnnies will be in full rebuilding mode with a recruiting class ranked No. 2 nationally. Polee and So. G Malik Stith are the only returning players and Steve Lavin and his staff will have to begin building for the future around players like Harkless, Harrison, Garrett, Pointer and Pelle. Look for Lindsey to come in and put up points right from the get-go. The former Philly schoolboy star was on his way to breaking Wilt Chamberlain’s Philly record before departing for JUCO.


15. PROVIDENCE (15.17, 4-14)

Key Losses: Sr. G. Marshon Brooks (24.6 ppg, 7.0 rpg)

Key Returnees: So. G Vincent Council (13.7 ppg, 5.9 rpg), Fr. G Gerard Coleman (10.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg)

Key Additions: SF LaDontae Henton, PG Kiwi Gardner

The Skinny: Ed Cooley takes over the Friars after coming over from Fairfield, where he was the two-time MAAC Coach of the Year. He probably wishes he still had Brooks to coach after Marshon led the league in scoring last season. Instead, he’ll build around Council, Coleman and young players like Duke Mondy, Kadeem Batts, Bilal Dixon and Ron Giplaye.


16. DEPAUL (7-24, 1-17)

Key Losses: None

Key Returnees: Fr. F Cleveland Melvin (14.3 ppg, 5.0 rpg), Fr. G Brandon Young (12.6 ppg, 3.7 apg), So. F Tony Freeland (9.6 ppg, 5.0 rpg)

Key Additions: PG Shane Larkin, SG Charles McKinney, SG Macari Brooks, C Derrell Robertson, PF Montray Clemons, SF Jamie Crockett

The Skinny: The Blue Demons have gone 2-52 in Big East regular season play since the start of the 2008-9 season. They have some nice pieces in Melvin and Young and will rely on Larkin offensively and Robertson defensively, but they remain the bottom-feeders in this monster league.

http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/13/syrac...more-52209

(05-13-2011 12:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  You have not been around enough years to know of the Chatter roller coaster of which I speak.

All hail the mighty Rath.

God 2.0 hath spoken.

Funny how I comment on Cash's knee and Yancy's attitude, and suddenly it's a rollercoaster ride. Hmmm. I guess when I talk about Kilpatrick's three point shooting, it'll be like riding Diamondback.

(05-14-2011 11:06 PM)b Wrote:  

(05-14-2011 06:17 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  There are going to be some growing pains on both ends of the court.

along with some plain ole growth from an experienced battle tested squad.

Quote:As unreasonably low as some were on the squad last year, I fear some are going to be out over the tips of the skis this year.

as I recall, YOU were the one bragging about how you predicted the least amount of wins for last years team. But, your agenda is pretty clear to me.

Quote:Thomas and Bishop did a ton to get that team where it ended up last season. Anyone who thinks losing those two is not going to sting in the first couple months was not watching.

Yeah, those Savannah state games are gonna be a b!tch without thomas and bishop holding down the fort.

Quote:Stay out of the stats sheet. Same type of thing that got some in trouble with slamming recruits like Jackson and Kilpatrick.

well this seems like as good a time as any to make my point. everything you say is set up to protect mick. People slammed mick last year for his recruiting and you talked those kids up. When the season started to go south, you started to talk about the talent and how it was not good enough.

And this is no different. If folks start expecting big things from this team and if they (the team) fall short, you don't want fingers pointed at the coach.
so now you are concocting this fiction that thomas and bishop are the biggest, most significant pieces of the puzzle. I'm sorry, they are not. There are teams who are losing players that will be drafted that are not big upping those guys as much as you are these two young men. not trying to bash them but come on.

Quote:But I remember someone said UC wasn't winning any games last year because of defense, so what the heck do I know?

I said it.
lets not kid ourselves, you win by outscoring your opponent. and if we can't shut a team out--which no one can, then you have to score. All these we recruits we have coming in, I bet not a single f#&k was given to their defensive skills.

Funny stuff.

Quote:The Cardinals made a surprise run to the Big East tournament final, and return virtually their entire team minus Knowles and Jennings,

Knowles and Jennings AKA - their two best players.

Is it just me or is this a gross overvaluation of UL.

I like some of the guys they have coming in - their returning players, not so much.

I rate UL a "SELL"

(05-19-2011 10:39 AM)Eastside_J Wrote:  

Quote:The Cardinals made a surprise run to the Big East tournament final, and return virtually their entire team minus Knowles and Jennings,

Knowles and Jennings AKA - their two best players.

Is it just me or is this a gross overvaluation of UL.

I like some of the guys they have coming in - their returning players, not so much.

I rate UL a "SELL"

I really like Siva and Kuric but I think Louisville is pretty overrated unless Chane and Blackshear can come in and be difference makers from day one.

It sucks looking at UC's rosters and seeing the only hole really being at the 4 spot and Chane could have been that guy...

(05-19-2011 10:39 AM)Eastside_J Wrote:  

Quote:The Cardinals made a surprise run to the Big East tournament final, and return virtually their entire team minus Knowles and Jennings,

Knowles and Jennings AKA - their two best players.

Is it just me or is this a gross overvaluation of UL.

I like some of the guys they have coming in - their returning players, not so much.

I rate UL a "SELL"

Knowles was their best scorer, but I think Siva was their best player. Dude made so much happen for them. I really like Louisville's team next year as a top 15 caliber team, maybe borderline top 10.

(05-19-2011 10:42 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(05-19-2011 10:39 AM)Eastside_J Wrote:  

Quote:The Cardinals made a surprise run to the Big East tournament final, and return virtually their entire team minus Knowles and Jennings,

Knowles and Jennings AKA - their two best players.

Is it just me or is this a gross overvaluation of UL.

I like some of the guys they have coming in - their returning players, not so much.

I rate UL a "SELL"

I really like Siva and Kuric but I think Louisville is pretty overrated unless Chane and Blackshear can come in and be difference makers from day one.

It sucks looking at UC's rosters and seeing the only hole really being at the 4 spot and Chane could have been that guy...

True although I don't see Chane being a major BE impact player at the 4 in year one.

I have to admit I saw him play once and it took me 15 minutes to figure out which player he was. There was another guy on his AAU team that was very similiar as far as size and build and it was hard to tell from their play who was the hyped high major guy and who was the also ran.

Not that my one game observation is indicative of how good he is, but I really thought I would be seeing a standout, dominant type player and I didn't see any of that.

If I had known nothing coming in to that game, I would have said there were really no readily apparent high major standout prospects on either team.

Again I am sure that he is far better than I saw that afternoon.

(05-19-2011 10:42 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  It sucks looking at UC's rosters and seeing the only hole really being at the 4 spot and Chane could have been that guy...

I guess i'm alone in thinking thomas is not an irreplaceable player. If JJ add some meat,I think he could fill in. I think he's more coachable than thomas.

(05-19-2011 02:31 PM)b Wrote:  

(05-19-2011 10:42 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  It sucks looking at UC's rosters and seeing the only hole really being at the 4 spot and Chane could have been that guy...

I guess i'm alone in thinking thomas is not an irreplaceable player. If JJ add some meat,I think he could fill in. I think he's more coachable than thomas.

Oh, I agree he is very replaceable it's just that I don't think UC was very good at that position to begin with.