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RE: Reds/Braves - Friday/Saturday/Sunday
Arroyo needs to be DL'ed until he's healthy.

Agree that Liriano is a risk and similar to Volquez with the walks. Not really interested. Plus I read that he's lost some velocity off his fastball.

With Bailey on the DL, Arroyo likely to go on the DL, and Volquez not up to snuff, that leaves Cueto, Wood and Leake as our only regular healthy starters. But Chad Reineke, who pitched well last year and this year so far in triple A, is coming up for a start. And Maloney and Lecure have started before. But this team still lacks a #1 starter.

I wish the Reds would look into acquiring Matt Kemp ($6.5M in '11 and arbitration next year). Stick him in LF. He is having one of his better seasons this year. I still like Beltran's nice comback season so far, plus he's a switchhitter.........but I don't think the Reds will take on his salary.
 
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(05-28-2011 08:58 PM)Vottomatic Wrote:  Arroyo needs to be DL'ed until he's healthy.

Agree that Liriano is a risk and similar to Volquez with the walks. Not really interested. Plus I read that he's lost some velocity off his fastball.

With Bailey on the DL, Arroyo likely to go on the DL, and Volquez not up to snuff, that leaves Cueto, Wood and Leake as our only regular healthy starters. But Chad Reineke, who pitched well last year and this year so far in triple A, is coming up for a start. And Maloney and Lecure have started before. But this team still lacks a #1 starter.

Ideally, and under normal circumstances, I think Arroyo is already on the DL. But the Reds may need him to keep trying to fight through it. Maloney has a cracked rib, remember? And LeCure is also out right now last I heard. We just reached down to AA for a guy to start who wasn't tearing it up at that level. Hopefully it's only temporary, but right now this team desperately needs healthy pitching and starters and can't really trade any pitching to get it with everybody hurt.

Quote:I wish the Reds would look into acquiring Matt Kemp ($6.5M in '11 and arbitration next year). Stick him in LF. He is having one of his better seasons this year. I still like Beltran's nice comback season so far, plus he's a switchhitter.........but I don't think the Reds will take on his salary.

Kemp is very good although there has been talk he isn't the best guy in the clubhouse fwiw. But again, what are the Reds going to trade to get him under the circumstances? I'm more inclined to see what Heisey/Lewis can do and see if maybe Gomes (4 hits today fwiw) can return to be part of the answer. If not, I don't see why the Reds won't give Alonso his shot. Or maybe even Sappelt if he comes back healthy and producing.

SS is the more logical target if we are looking to add a non-pitching impact player. Given our injuries (did you hear Cozart is also on the DL in AAA?), I give Janish/Renteria some time to see if they can come out of their slump. If they don't, and If Cozart still isn't ready and assuming some of the team is back healthy, I'd look to trade for a SS with Reyes obviously at the top of my list.
 
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Went to the game in Louisville tonight. Volquez looked sharp. Fastball was in the mid 90s and he was hitting his spots. He gave up a homerun in the 8th, but other than that mistake he looked good.

He went 7.2, 5 H, 2 BB, 5 K, and 2 ER
 
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(05-28-2011 11:54 PM)subflea Wrote:  Went to the game in Louisville tonight. Volquez looked sharp. Fastball was in the mid 90s and he was hitting his spots. He gave up a homerun in the 8th, but other than that mistake he looked good.

He went 7.2, 5 H, 2 BB, 5 K, and 2 ER

That's good to hear. I;m not sure how much longer they can leave him down there.
 
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(05-28-2011 09:28 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  Kemp is very good although there has been talk he isn't the best guy in the clubhouse fwiw. But again, what are the Reds going to trade to get him under the circumstances? I'm more inclined to see what Heisey/Lewis can do and see if maybe Gomes (4 hits today fwiw) can return to be part of the answer. If not, I don't see why the Reds won't give Alonso his shot. Or maybe even Sappelt if he comes back healthy and producing.

SS is the more logical target if we are looking to add a non-pitching impact player. Given our injuries (did you hear Cozart is also on the DL in AAA?), I give Janish/Renteria some time to see if they can come out of their slump. If they don't, and If Cozart still isn't ready and assuming some of the team is back healthy, I'd look to trade for a SS with Reyes obviously at the top of my list.

Reyes is considered a selfish player too. Comes with a bigger pricetag than Kemp. Both are leadoff type hitters, although Kemp has 10 or 12 homers I think.

Reyes is headed toward free agency making him have to put up good numbers. Kemp is headed to arbitration in '12. Both are going to give it their all.

I'm happy for Gomes, but one good game doesn't mean his struggles are over. And his fans seem to conveniently forget that in 9 seasons he's a career .244 hitter.

I like Heisey but the more I watch him, he is a dead fastball hitter and struggles badly with the offspeed and breaking stuff. Lewis has done well in his limited appearances. But I don't any of these three being that impact guy.

And Votto has zero protection in the lineup. Zero. Rolen ain't cutting it. Bruce was ugly last night.

This team lacks the clutch hit they got so often last year.
 
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(05-29-2011 07:24 AM)Vottomatic Wrote:  
(05-28-2011 09:28 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  Kemp is very good although there has been talk he isn't the best guy in the clubhouse fwiw. But again, what are the Reds going to trade to get him under the circumstances? I'm more inclined to see what Heisey/Lewis can do and see if maybe Gomes (4 hits today fwiw) can return to be part of the answer. If not, I don't see why the Reds won't give Alonso his shot. Or maybe even Sappelt if he comes back healthy and producing.

SS is the more logical target if we are looking to add a non-pitching impact player. Given our injuries (did you hear Cozart is also on the DL in AAA?), I give Janish/Renteria some time to see if they can come out of their slump. If they don't, and If Cozart still isn't ready and assuming some of the team is back healthy, I'd look to trade for a SS with Reyes obviously at the top of my list.

Reyes is considered a selfish player too. Comes with a bigger pricetag than Kemp. Both are leadoff type hitters, although Kemp has 10 or 12 homers I think.

Reyes is headed toward free agency making him have to put up good numbers. Kemp is headed to arbitration in '12. Both are going to give it their all.

I'm happy for Gomes, but one good game doesn't mean his struggles are over. And his fans seem to conveniently forget that in 9 seasons he's a career .244 hitter.

I like Heisey but the more I watch him, he is a dead fastball hitter and struggles badly with the offspeed and breaking stuff. Lewis has done well in his limited appearances. But I don't any of these three being that impact guy.

And Votto has zero protection in the lineup. Zero. Rolen ain't cutting it. Bruce was ugly last night.

This team lacks the clutch hit they got so often last year.

Votto has zero protection in the lineup?

Bruce is top 5 in the majors in both HR and RBI. The Reds have scored the most runs in all of baseball. If a trade is to be made I'd like to see them improve on the 3rd worst pitching staff in the NL.
 
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(05-29-2011 10:24 AM)Bearcat04 Wrote:  
(05-29-2011 07:24 AM)Vottomatic Wrote:  
(05-28-2011 09:28 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  Kemp is very good although there has been talk he isn't the best guy in the clubhouse fwiw. But again, what are the Reds going to trade to get him under the circumstances? I'm more inclined to see what Heisey/Lewis can do and see if maybe Gomes (4 hits today fwiw) can return to be part of the answer. If not, I don't see why the Reds won't give Alonso his shot. Or maybe even Sappelt if he comes back healthy and producing.

SS is the more logical target if we are looking to add a non-pitching impact player. Given our injuries (did you hear Cozart is also on the DL in AAA?), I give Janish/Renteria some time to see if they can come out of their slump. If they don't, and If Cozart still isn't ready and assuming some of the team is back healthy, I'd look to trade for a SS with Reyes obviously at the top of my list.

Reyes is considered a selfish player too. Comes with a bigger pricetag than Kemp. Both are leadoff type hitters, although Kemp has 10 or 12 homers I think.

Reyes is headed toward free agency making him have to put up good numbers. Kemp is headed to arbitration in '12. Both are going to give it their all.

I'm happy for Gomes, but one good game doesn't mean his struggles are over. And his fans seem to conveniently forget that in 9 seasons he's a career .244 hitter.

I like Heisey but the more I watch him, he is a dead fastball hitter and struggles badly with the offspeed and breaking stuff. Lewis has done well in his limited appearances. But I don't any of these three being that impact guy.

And Votto has zero protection in the lineup. Zero. Rolen ain't cutting it. Bruce was ugly last night.

This team lacks the clutch hit they got so often last year.

Votto has zero protection in the lineup?

Bruce is top 5 in the majors in both HR and RBI. The Reds have scored the most runs in all of baseball. If a trade is to be made I'd like to see them improve on the 3rd worst pitching staff in the NL.

He leads the NL in walks. He may have a good eye, but clearly opposing pitchers are pitching around him and not giving him anything to hit. Rolen isn't exactly delivering in the 4-hole and Bruce's average with RISP sucks. He was 1 for 19 before breaking out in the Phillies series, but has resorted back to his old self against Atlanta, doing nothing with RISP. This team lacks the big clutch hit, and Votto was good for it alot last year. But this year, he is not getting anything to hit. I heard a stat not too long ago that Elias tracks hittable pitches and Votto is like in the bottom 1% in terms of getting pitches to hit. So yes, he has no protection in the lineup. Compare to Pujols who has Holliday batting behind him. Within the last 2 weeks (I haven't checked this week), Holliday was leading the NL in batting average and is a feared hitter.
 
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Sam LeCure on DL following tweet

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ATLANTA -- One day after tweeting he was "wasting space" in the Reds' bullpen, right-hander Sam LeCure was placed on the disabled list on Sunday with a strained right forearm.

The Reds, still recovering from an 19-inning loss at Philadelphia on Wednesday, had their pitching depth stretched again in a 7-6 loss to the Braves in 12 innings on Saturday night.

Manager Dusty Baker used six relievers, but not LeCure.

LeCure posted on his (at)mrLeCure Twitter account: "I don't know what to say folks. I desperately want to pitch and I feel like I'm wasting space as I'm sure you all do. Im ready if they call".

Baker said Sunday that LeCure couldn't throw all his pitches and could not be called on.

"Number one, I don't read tweets," Baker said. "And number two, he's available but without all of his weapons, you know what I mean? What I mean by that, with that strained right forearm, he could only throw fastball, changeup. So that's not available to me."

Baker questioned why LeCure "felt the need to tweet it in the first place."

"I like his enthusiasm. I like him," Baker said. "But now is not the time for heroism yet. We've tried to warm him up a number of times."

The roster move with LeCure was made retroactive to May 23. LeCure's last appearance was on May 22 when he gave up one hit and one run in 3 1-3 innings at Cleveland.

Baker said LeCure's arm problem forced him out of the game at Cleveland.

"So we've been very patient trying to wait to see if this thing would subside," Baker said.

LeCure was 0-1 with a 3.18 ERA in 12 games, including four starts.

Right-hander Carlos Fisher, who threw 95 pitches in relief Wednesday night, took the loss on Saturday night when he couldn't record an out in the 12th, his second inning of work.

Baker said after the game Fisher was "weary." That caused some to wonder why LeCure, who was rested, was not used in the game. LeCure's tweet only added to the second-guessing.

Baker referred to LeCure's public comment as "one of the perils of tweeting."

The Reds called up left-hander Tom Cochran from Triple-A Louisville. Left-hander Matt Maloney, who was placed on the 15-day disabled list on Thursday with a broken rib suffered while sneezing, was transferred to the 60-day disabled list.

Cochran is the fourth Reds pitcher to be called up in the last four days, following Daryl Thompson, Mike Leake and Jeremy Horst.

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That is the story of the Reds this year. One out and Votto gets on with a single and goes to second on a long fly out by Rolen. 1B open so walk Bruce, pitch to Lewis. 3 outs. 03-nutkick
 
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Reds go 2-10 since beating the Cards and Cubs at home. Reds are .500 and the Cards are 10 games over .500.
During this period 5 losses are by 1 run.
 
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From an exciting 2010 Reds team to a very frustrating 2011 Reds team.

I don't see any answers soon. Starting pitching is in disarray except for Cueto and maybe Wood. Hitting puts up good overall stats, but no clutch hits when they need them.

Cards 10 games over .500. Reds at .500.
 
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On the road, Reds out at home
Finish rough trip 2-8 after 2-1 loss to Braves

11:58 PM, May. 29, 2011

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Paul Janish is called out at home plate after David Ross tags him in the eighth inning.

ATLANTA -- The Reds’ 10-game road trip came to a merciful end Sunday night with another merciless loss.

Johnny Cueto pitched one of his better games of the season. But Martin Prado’s two-run home run trumped Jay Bruce’s solo shot, and the Atlanta Braves defeated the Reds 2-1 before a crowd of 36,932 at Turner Field.

Reds manager Dusty Baker was livid after the game.

"It’s a shame, a damn shame," he said.

He was referring to an out call on the Paul Janish at home plate in the eighth inning.

Janish led off with a single. Cueto bunted him to second. An out later, Brandon Phillips singled to left. Prado’s throw easily beat Janish, but ESPN replays showed he got under catcher David Ross’ tag. Home plate umpire Dan Iassogna didn’t see that way. He called Janish out.

Janish and Baker argued to no avail.

"I had a great angle down at the end of the dugout," Baker said. "Clearly, clearly, it looked like he missed him. It looked like six inches to a foot. I could see it. That’s what I told Dan.

"It’s frustrating as hell. We fought and fought and battled. You know they’re not going to reverse it."

It’s the way things have been going to the Reds.

"It’s one of those things," Janish said. "I didn’t realize the ball beat me by so much. But I felt like he missed me."

The Reds went 2-8 on the road trip.

They are right back at today when they open three-game series with Milwaukee Brewers at 7:10 p.m. The Brewers overtook the Reds and moved into second place in the National League Central over the weekend.

The road trip was particularly frustrating for the Reds because they went 0-5 in one-run game.

"Nobody’s happy in this clubhouse," Cueto said. "Tomorrow’s a new day. We’ve got to keep fighting."

Cueto went eight innings and allowed the two runs on five hits. He walked two and struck out four.

"It’s a shame Johnny lost that game," Baker said. "He was pitching lights out."

Atlanta starter Jair Jurrjens, the National League a 1.56 ERA coming in, was a better. He allowed the one run on six hits. He walked two and struck out five.

Bruce gave the Reds a 1-0 lead in the second with his 15th home run of the year. It was only the third homer that Jurrgens has allowed in nine starts.

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Jay Bruce's 11th home run in month of May ties him with Toronto's Jose Bautista for the MLB lead this month.

Bruce went 0-for-6 Saturday night to snap a season-high nine-game hitting streak, but the home run gave him five homers and 14 RBI on the road trip. It just about wrapped up his bid for NL player of the month for May.

Cueto gave up a leadoff single to Jordan Schafer in the first inning. But he was eliminated on a double play. Cueto ran into a little trouble in the second. He hit Freddie Freeman with a pitch (although replays showed otherwise) and gave up a single to Dan Uggla. Cueto got the next two hitters.

That started a streak of nine in a row retired.

Former Reds shortstop Alex Gonzalez and Ross broke the string with back-to-back singles in the fifth. Jurrjens tried to bunt them over. He got the bunt down right in front of the plate. Catcher Ramon Hernandez snatched it and started a 2-5-4 double play.

Schafer had an eight-pitch at-bat to start the Atlanta sixth. It ended with a walk, which turned out to be huge. Prado hit a 2-0 pitch that just cleared the left field wall to make it 2-1.

"I was trying to throw a fastball outside," Cueto said. "It ran back over the middle."

It was only the second home run Cueto has allowed this season.

Joey Votto walked to lead off the ninth against closer Craig Kimbrel. Scott Rolen popped out. That brought up Bruce. He struck out this time. Fred Lewis singled. But Hernandez struck out to end game.

The hot Milwaukee Braves come to Cincinnati for a series starting Monday night.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110...d-trip-2-8
 
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Janish was clearly safe. Bad, bad call. But when things are going bad, it doesn't just rain, it pours. It seemed like the umps in Atlanta made alot of mistakes in that series.
 
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(05-30-2011 08:26 AM)Vottomatic Wrote:  Janish was clearly safe. Bad, bad call. But when things are going bad, it doesn't just rain, it pours. It seemed like the umps in Atlanta made alot of mistakes in that series.

I would say he was PROBABLY safe, but not clearly. There wasn't a good replay angle to say for sure. Regardless, they never should have sent him. The ball beat him by 2 full seconds. Ump is going to call you out in that situation 9 times out of 10 even if you do slide under the tag.
 
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(05-30-2011 08:26 AM)Vottomatic Wrote:  Janish was clearly safe. Bad, bad call. But when things are going bad, it doesn't just rain, it pours. It seemed like the umps in Atlanta made alot of mistakes in that series.

I would say he was PROBABLY safe, but not clearly. There wasn't a good replay angle to say for sure.

When you combine the views, to me it was pretty clear he was safe. I don't know for sure if the tag ever got Janish's jersey or not, but he had already touched the plate anyway based upon the other view.

Now if you want to talk "probably" bad calls, I think Votto was probably safe earlier in the game on his SB attempt. We only got one view of that with no replay though iirc.
 
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That road trip had the same feeling of those disastrous, season-ending road trips out West. Just plain ugly. Nothing went their way.
 
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(05-31-2011 02:57 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  
(05-31-2011 02:36 PM)bearcatjim Wrote:  
(05-30-2011 08:26 AM)Vottomatic Wrote:  Janish was clearly safe. Bad, bad call. But when things are going bad, it doesn't just rain, it pours. It seemed like the umps in Atlanta made alot of mistakes in that series.

I would say he was PROBABLY safe, but not clearly. There wasn't a good replay angle to say for sure.

When you combine the views, to me it was pretty clear he was safe. I don't know for sure if the tag ever got Janish's jersey or not, but he had already touched the plate anyway based upon the other view.

Now if you want to talk "probably" bad calls, I think Votto was probably safe earlier in the game on his SB attempt. We only got one view of that with no replay though iirc.

Strange, but for once we agree.

I didn't bring up the Votto steal because I thought people would think I was complaining about everything. But I thought he was safe too.

I don't think Janish was PROBABLY safe. The replay I saw showed him to be DEFINITELY safe.
 
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