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RE: Memphis is screwed
Cincinnati attendance

Football 23,282 One game this season
Basketball 7,344 2010-11

Memphis attendance
Football 33,990 One game this season
Basketball 16,768 2010-11

Not picking on Cincinnati....Just think Memphis could fit as well.
09-07-2011 11:28 AM
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RE: Memphis is screwed
SMU .480, UCF .506, ECU .522. Slightly better i agree.

When you add in basketball success it is not even close to who has a better national brand or overall athletic program. Memphis is on national tv (football/basketball) 12-15 times per year. Compare that to some other candidates. It is not even close. Maybe 3-5x?

If they all have such better overall athletic programs than Memphis than why are revenues less or equal at best?

We could discuss forever...

The point is Memphis is being pull down by the football record the last 2 years. I know for a fact Memphis was a top expansion candidate a year or two ago. Why are people down on them now compared to then? Because of recent football results. My only point is the reasosning is short sighted whether someone has been winning or not been winning. Not the best way to evaluate an overall program and national appeal.
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RE: Memphis is screwed
(09-07-2011 11:28 AM)cardshouse Wrote:  Cincinnati attendance

Football 23,282 One game this season
Basketball 7,344 2010-11

Memphis attendance
Football 33,990 One game this season
Basketball 16,768 2010-11

Not picking on Cincinnati....Just think Memphis could fit as well.

No one wants Memphis in the BE. They never committed to FB, academics are not good enough for the BCS, and the FedEx CEO makes them look less appealing due to previous attempts at bribery and providing kickbacks.
09-07-2011 11:45 AM
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RE: Memphis is screwed
(09-07-2011 11:42 AM)TigerPete Wrote:  SMU .480, UCF .506, ECU .522. Slightly better i agree.

When you add in basketball success it is not even close to who has a better national brand or overall athletic program. Memphis is on national tv (football/basketball) 12-15 times per year. Compare that to some other candidates. It is not even close. Maybe 3-5x?

If they all have such better overall athletic programs than Memphis than why are revenues less or equal at best?

We could discuss forever...

The point is Memphis is being pull down by the football record the last 2 years. I know for a fact Memphis was a top expansion candidate a year or two ago. Why are people down on them now compared to then? Because of recent football results. My only point is the reasosning is short sighted whether someone has been winning or not been winning. Not the best way to evaluate an overall program and national appeal.

By who? UT had zero interest in Memphis to the BigXII because of academics. Pitt, WVU, RU at a minimum did not want Memphis in the BE either due to academics (which may have been overcome) and the bribery attempt (which made Memphis look like a caustic substance). IMO, the bribery attempt is what really killed any momentum Memphis had, even with the historically bad football and less than ideal academics.
09-07-2011 11:49 AM
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Miami, Va Tech & Boston College were to good for the Big East then? That would be your logic anyway.
09-07-2011 11:52 AM
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(09-07-2011 11:52 AM)cardshouse Wrote:  Miami, Va Tech & Boston College were to good for the Big East then? That would be your logic anyway.

What are you talking about?
09-07-2011 11:53 AM
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(09-07-2011 11:42 AM)TigerPete Wrote:  SMU .480, UCF .506, ECU .522. Slightly better i agree.

When you add in basketball success it is not even close to who has a better national brand or overall athletic program. Memphis is on national tv (football/basketball) 12-15 times per year. Compare that to some other candidates. It is not even close. Maybe 3-5x?

If they all have such better overall athletic programs than Memphis than why are revenues less or equal at best?

We could discuss forever...

The point is Memphis is being pull down by the football record the last 2 years. I know for a fact Memphis was a top expansion candidate a year or two ago. Why are people down on them now compared to then? Because of recent football results. My only point is the reasosning is short sighted whether someone has been winning or not been winning. Not the best way to evaluate an overall program and national appeal.

And UH is .528 but who is counting......
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RE: Memphis is screwed
(09-07-2011 11:49 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(09-07-2011 11:42 AM)TigerPete Wrote:  SMU .480, UCF .506, ECU .522. Slightly better i agree.

When you add in basketball success it is not even close to who has a better national brand or overall athletic program. Memphis is on national tv (football/basketball) 12-15 times per year. Compare that to some other candidates. It is not even close. Maybe 3-5x?

If they all have such better overall athletic programs than Memphis than why are revenues less or equal at best?

We could discuss forever...

The point is Memphis is being pull down by the football record the last 2 years. I know for a fact Memphis was a top expansion candidate a year or two ago. Why are people down on them now compared to then? Because of recent football results. My only point is the reasosning is short sighted whether someone has been winning or not been winning. Not the best way to evaluate an overall program and national appeal.

By who? UT had zero interest in Memphis to the BigXII because of academics. Pitt, WVU, RU at a minimum did not want Memphis in the BE either due to academics (which may have been overcome) and the bribery attempt (which made Memphis look like a caustic substance). IMO, the bribery attempt is what really killed any momentum Memphis had, even with the historically bad football and less than ideal academics.

95% of the "not in favor of Memphis" I read about on this board comes from Miko. He starts it everywhere and about once a week. The whole point of this thread is stupid. EVERY non-bcs school is trying to get in the BCS. What makes Memphis different? Why are Houston, UCF, SMU, ECU, not "being screwed"? Stupid thread.
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(09-07-2011 08:01 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Memphis doesn't make sense financially for any BCS conference...

I guess you're right. Bringing a Top 50 TV market of several million, a national brand, nationally recognized rivarlies with UL and UC, a perennial Top 25 basketball program, a bowl game and major corporate support for the conference mean very little. And forget football potential. Despite wins over such as Alabama, Aburn, Florida, Miami and USC, 5 bowls in the last 7 years, previous attendance averages of over 40,000 and once having finished ranked #14 it is clear that the money and changed perceptions which BCS status adds would NEVER result in Tiger football improving the way Cincinatti and USF did. Obviously, Villanova is the wise choice.
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(09-07-2011 12:26 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(09-07-2011 08:01 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Memphis doesn't make sense financially for any BCS conference...

I guess you're right. Bringing a Top 50 TV market of several million, a national brand, nationally recognized rivarlies with UL and UC, a perennial Top 25 basketball program, a bowl game and major corporate support for the conference mean very little. And forget football potential. Despite wins over such as Alabama, Aburn, Florida, Miami and USC, 5 bowls in the last 7 years, previous attendance averages of over 40,000 and once having finished ranked #14 it is clear that the money and changed perceptions which BCS status adds would NEVER result in Tiger football improving the way Cincinatti and USF did. Obviously, Villanova is the wise choice.

In all fairness you bring the Liberty Bowl slightly more than we bring the Texas Bowl.

There was talk this past offseason of the Liberty Bowl dropping CUSA all together. If Memphis and the Liberty Bowl were as tied to the hip as much as you suggest that would never even be brought up as a possibility.
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(09-07-2011 11:45 AM)miko33 Wrote:  the FedEx CEO makes them look less appealing due to previous attempts at bribery and providing kickbacks.

Those are pretty serious allegations. Have any proof? Offering corporate sponsorship of championship games seems respectable enough, if you ask me. I seriously doubt that Memphis is the only school with local corporate and government support working on their behalf.
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Memphis is the worst football team in division 1. How is that even possible? They are surrounded by talent. They are a bottom tier Sunbelt team at this point.
09-07-2011 12:50 PM
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(09-07-2011 12:50 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  Memphis is the worst football team in division 1. How is that even possible? They are surrounded by talent. They are a bottom tier Sunbelt team at this point.

How dare you call Memphis a poor football team! Didn't you read the boilerplate?

Quote:Memphis Brings a Top 50 TV market of several million, a national brand, nationally recognized rivarlies with UL and UC, a perennial Top 25 basketball program, a bowl game and major corporate support for the conference. With wins over such football powerhouses as Alabama, Aburn, Florida, Miami and USC, 5 bowls in the last 7 years, previous attendance averages of over 40,000 and once having finished ranked #14 it is clear that the money and changed perceptions which BCS status adds would result in Tiger football improving the way Cincinatti and USF did.
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(09-07-2011 12:26 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(09-07-2011 08:01 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Memphis doesn't make sense financially for any BCS conference...

I guess you're right. Bringing a Top 50 TV market of several million, a national brand, nationally recognized rivarlies with UL and UC, a perennial Top 25 basketball program, a bowl game and major corporate support for the conference mean very little. And forget football potential. Despite wins over such as Alabama, Aburn, Florida, Miami and USC, 5 bowls in the last 7 years, previous attendance averages of over 40,000 and once having finished ranked #14 it is clear that the money and changed perceptions which BCS status adds would NEVER result in Tiger football improving the way Cincinatti and USF did. Obviously, Villanova is the wise choice.

You know how I know your football program is pathetic? You count games that were played 30 years ago and longer as your main accomplishment.
Army has beaten Florida. They are irrelevant today also.

"Once upon a time, we beat a couple good teams!!!". How embarrassing for your program that this is how you must promote yourself.
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(09-07-2011 12:26 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(09-07-2011 08:01 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Memphis doesn't make sense financially for any BCS conference...

I guess you're right. Bringing a Top 50 TV market of several million, a national brand, nationally recognized rivarlies with UL and UC, a perennial Top 25 basketball program, a bowl game and major corporate support for the conference mean very little. And forget football potential. Despite wins over such as Alabama, Aburn, Florida, Miami and USC, 5 bowls in the last 7 years, previous attendance averages of over 40,000 and once having finished ranked #14 it is clear that the money and changed perceptions which BCS status adds would NEVER result in Tiger football improving the way Cincinatti and USF did. Obviously, Villanova is the wise choice.

Good lord you're the most delusional one on this entire board. Why don't you share with the class when you beat Auburn, Alabama, Florida & Miami? It was a LONG time ago. When was the last time UM averaged 40K actually in the seats? There are very few people that know anything about your rivalries w/ UL & UC.
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Good insight Diko.

Actually, seems to me that Baylor and/or ISU are the ones to be screwed. Memphis never had the silver spoon.

Screwed would be if or when the SuperConferences control hoops and leave everyone else out - that would be screwed.
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Now that we've had a chance to see this through, I guess Memphis did better for itself than previously thought. Well done Memphis!
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