I hate to say it, but every school has its share. Kentucky has been scraping the bottom of the barrel in college football for a while now and they still like to refer to Louisville as "Little Brother."

Louisville fans are no more arrogant than any other school. The ones here seem to be more proud than arrogant. After all, they've been waiting patiently since 1985 when Howard Schnellenberger took over the program and declared that Louisville was "on a collision course with a national championship." Now that they finally have a BCS tie-in and are the early favorites to win the conference, they are understandably excited about their team.

If I didn't mind eating crow so much, I too would be tempted to make some bold declarations. I hear crow tastes like chicken.

ccfcpa Wrote:I think if someone was to research the minority percentages of 1A BCS schools and compare them to IA non-BCS schools there might be enough ammo there to shoot the whole thing down.

That's too much research for this math degree holder.

AACardFan Wrote:

oldtiger Wrote:Schools currently outside the BCS can only blame themselves for not investing wisely.

Not entirely. Investment is part of it. Opportunity is the other part. If the BCS schools don't afford the other schools the opportunity, then they will be hard-pressed to create the opportunities themselves. UL, UC and SFU were afforded the opportunity because of Miami, VT and BC leaving. I believe if a program like UL sustained a competitive program for several years, then they could eventually have gotten on the inside on their own. The problem is that sustaining a competitive program outside the BCS conferences is improbable. The top players know they can't win a national championship in a non-BCS school, so they mostly stay away. Petrino would have jumped ship to LSU for sure this year if Louisville didn't make it to the Big East.

Is anybody else besides me getting tired of talking about this garbage? I just want the season to start already!

Oh yeah, and GO CARDS!

Would you explain to me why programs like Southern Miss and Memphis have waited so long to upgrade their facilities? As soon as realignment occurs Southern Miss abruptly has plans on the table to reinvent their football stadium and put funds towards rehabbing their embarrassing basketball arena, something that should have happened 15 years ago. Memphis unexpectedly decides football is important nearly ten years after Conference USA is born. Louisville has sustained success since we built our own football stadium and the boosters decided to put their money where their mouths were as far as the athletic department was concerned. This has everything to do with investment. Programs that lack the motivation or booster base will always be at a disadvantage. Schools like Tulane who lack both see a school like Baylor getting a welfare check and say 'why not us?'

It is an unfair system but only because of the exceptions, the dukes, northwesterns and baylors of the world. IMO there are roughly 10 programs on the inside that should be booted and between 3-5 on the outside that should be included.

I've resented CUSA for years because of the apathy of the members. At one time I thought it could grow into a good football conference but around the period of the needless expansions and the vote to boot Louisville I gave up on it. It’s been a mixed blessing for Louisville, in one sense it was a great stage for us when we took the mantel and the exposure that came with it. In another sense it was an albatross that impeded our climb.

Tulame Fan that sums it up to the tee on why your school will never be BCS!

oldtiger Wrote:

ccfcpa Wrote:And now since we earned it it is okay to deny others the same chance we had? That is a bit hypocritical don't you thinK?

Louisvile earns the good fortune that is currently happening to them. They invested at the right time, in the right sports, and hired the right coaches. To a somewhat lesser degree, so did Cincy. I wish those 2 schools well, they deserve where they are.

Schools currently outside the BCS can only blame themselves for not investing wisely.

However it is bizarre that some feel that "I'm in the club now, close the door as fast as you can.".....and "bizaare" is being kind.

I love how Memphis fans like to blame USF for all their troubles.

Based on your argument of investing in the right coaches and doing things correctly, I can only deduct that Memphis did nothing right.

Despite having a great basketball tradition and spending a fortune on that program it has terribly underachieved. Football wise, just about everyone agreed duing the expansion process that a new USF football program had already passed up Memphis despite their 50 year headstart.


At some point....memphis, ecu and ucf fans are going to have to just get over it! USF did nothing wrong during expansion. If anything else we handled the whole thing with class unlike RC Johnson.

CyberBull Wrote:

oldtiger Wrote:

ccfcpa Wrote:And now since we earned it it is okay to deny others the same chance we had? That is a bit hypocritical don't you thinK?

Louisvile earns the good fortune that is currently happening to them. They invested at the right time, in the right sports, and hired the right coaches. To a somewhat lesser degree, so did Cincy. I wish those 2 schools well, they deserve where they are.

Schools currently outside the BCS can only blame themselves for not investing wisely.

However it is bizarre that some feel that "I'm in the club now, close the door as fast as you can.".....and "bizaare" is being kind.

I love how Memphis fans like to blame USF for all their troubles.

Based on your argument of investing in the right coaches and doing things correctly, I can only deduct that Memphis did nothing right.

Despite having a great basketball tradition and spending a fortune on that program it has terribly underachieved. Football wise, just about everyone agreed duing the expansion process that a new USF football program had already passed up Memphis despite their 50 year headstart.


At some point....memphis, ecu and ucf fans are going to have to just get over it! USF did nothing wrong during expansion. If anything else we handled the whole thing with class unlike RC Johnson.

I don't blame usf for Memphis not being in a BCS league. I congratulate the Cards and Bearcats for earning their way in. I have no clue how usf with no basketball fan base and minimal football fans - end even less legacy in both sports got in.

My post included this very comment "Schools currently outside the BCS can only blame themselves for not investing wisely." Does that really sound like I'm blaming usf for Memphis not being included?....or does that sound like I'm being honest?

The Big East wanted to maintain a Florida present, Tampa is a major city with a Bowl game and USFL has potential. Plus UC and UL hated Memphis AD!

[QUOTE] Plus UC and UL hated Memphis AD!


I do not believe Tom Jurich, Louisville's AD, would be petty enough to allow his personal feeelings for another school's official to effect his judgement. I think TJ has demonstarted far more class and ability than that.

[QUOTE=ccfcpa,Aug 7 2005, 06:00 PM]

Quote: Plus UC and UL hated Memphis AD!


I do not believe Tom Jurich, Louisville's AD, would be petty enough to allow his personal feeelings for another school's official to effect his judgement. I think TJ has demonstarted far more class and ability than that.

RC Johnson is an impediment to Memphis. This has nothing to do with Jurich's 'class or ability'. Partners must be chosen wisely in any business and personalities do impact those decisions. As far as RC is concerned Jurich is not alone.

ROTFLOL!...One good year...and two years away from a 5th place finish in C-USA.....and you've earned it?...that's the funniest thing I have ever heard....... : :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: : :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Now I'm so tired of laughing I need to sleep.... :snore: :snore:

O.G. Eagle Wrote:ROTFLOL!...One good year...and two years away from a 5th place finish in C-USA.....and you've earned it?...that's the funniest thing I have ever heard....... : :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: : :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Now I'm so tired of laughing I need to sleep.... :snore: :snore:

OG; You just never give up do you? :)

cuseroc Wrote:

O.G. Eagle Wrote:ROTFLOL!...One good year...and two years away from a 5th place finish in C-USA.....and you've earned it?...that's the funniest thing I have ever heard....... :  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh: :  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  Now I'm so tired of laughing I need to sleep.... :snore:  :snore:

OG; You just never give up do you? :)

LOL..... :snore: :snore: :snore:

I'm guessing you're about 12 years old.

cardheel Wrote:I'm guessing you're about 12 years old.

I had decided to put him on ignore, but his posts are so funny that I didn't. Hopefully he'll keep posting here!! Laughter is good for ya.


:D

The Post Herald article makes some great points about playing non BCS teams in bowl games. If a program want to separate it self from the pack and join the BCS group of teams it must only schedule BCS teams during the season as well. Playing 1AA teams serve little purpose.

O.G. Eagle Wrote:ROTFLOL!...One good year...and two years away from a 5th place finish in C-USA.....and you've earned it?...

Sorry old man, the worst we finished in CUSA this decade was tied for 3rd. Unless of course you don't even claim a partial championship for USM in 1996. Can't have it both ways.



In general, I'm against not playing non-BCS schools. We know very well that some that have invested in their programs can bring it. For many others like the Sun Belt and the bottom halves of the other non-BCS leagues, well, we need some wins from somewhere during September.

I don't have a problem at all with playing non-BCS schools. WVU has a great relationship with ECU. I'd rather have 2-1 series with non-BCS schools than play home games against 1-AA's each year.

wvucrazed Wrote:I don't have a problem at all with playing non-BCS schools. WVU has a great relationship with ECU. I'd rather have 2-1 series with non-BCS schools than play home games against 1-AA's each year.

Then why won't WVU give MAC schools a 2 for 1 like Pitt and Syracuse are willing to do? You should play the Bobcats.......we are only 2 hours away.

In terms of recruiting, the BCS label carries weight over non-BCS. The reality is close to 20 non-BCS programs are deserving of that BCS label. In the case of the Mountain West, the BCS label is the only thing separating it from the Big East.

Maybe, if you could take the PAC-10, MWC, Big East, Big XII, SEC, ACC, Big Ten, Notre Dame, Army/Navy......at 77 schools that might be enough to have a credible power division. At no cost would the PAC-10 want to be the sole western conference. Then a lot of programs in CUSA are BCS worthy with a couple from the MAC and WAC.

If the NCAA was just willing to enforce an actual attendance requirement, a lot of the problems in Division 1-A would be solved.

What does attendance have to do with it? There are SEVERAL Big East programs with absolutely horrid, anemic actual attendance. You may want to put that genie back in the bottle. The NCAA basketball tournament is decided solely on the basis of on-court performance, period. I have no problem with the way that Division 1 NCAA basketball is run, or its post season decided and conducted.

It is also ludicrous, absolutely ludicrous, for any fan, ESPECIALLY CUSA FANS posting here, to extend congratulations to Cincy for "earning" their way into the BCS. The BCS is about FOOTBALL, and has NOTHING to do with basketball, which is THE reason they were invited to the conference. How many media stories from that period does one have to read to understand why the Big East chose who they did? It was for basketball, plain and simple; they decided to go for the premier basketball conference in America, by a couple of miles. Why else did they invite Marquette and DePaul, who don't even HAVE football? They knew they couldn't bulk back up to anywhere within that same couple of miles in football; they thought they might get some credit for Louisville, who nevertheless was no replacement for Virginia Tech and certainly not in the same hemisphere as Miami. As for Cincinnati, and even more so South Florida, in football they were warm bodies to stay at 8 teams so they (at the time) could try and convince the BCS to let them keep their autobid. Cincy brought world class basketball, and South Florida brought, well, a Florida presence (??) which the Big East for some reason finds so incredibly valuable that it is worth a $4 million plus revenue sharing check.

The conference has benefitted greatly from BCS politics (i.e. keeping a majority of Div. 1A teams) in hanging onto their autobid, and from having Notre Dame in their bowl selection deal in attracting bowl bids.

A little honesty is so refreshing, it's like a blast of fresh mountain air.

wvucrazed Wrote:

cardheel Wrote:I'm guessing you're about 12 years old.

I had decided to put him on ignore, but his posts are so funny that I didn't. Hopefully he'll keep posting here!! Laughter is good for ya.


:D

No....what is hilarious is the arrogance of the Card fans....you will see soon enough if you already haven't...it won't be long until they begin to criticize everything about your conference.....you will se....good luck, you'll need it!....lol... :wave: :wave: ..... :snore: :snore: