herd of butt whoopin beef
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JIM15068 Wrote:herd of butt whoopin beef Wrote:JIM15068 Wrote:I would like to offer an objective analysis of Marshall as a ninth school.
1. REPUTATION: They have a pretty good rep, but are probably overrated. They have only beaten one 1a bcs school in the last five years.
2. ACADEMICS: This is a minor point to me, but I don't think they're recognized as a national university.
3. ATTENDANCE: Their stadium holds 38,000. I truly believe every major school should have a stadium that holds 50,000 and be able to average above 40,000. Marshall's average attendance in 2004 was 82nd, behind MEMPHIS, ARMY, NAVY, ECU, and S MISS. While attendance doesn't make a school good or bad, it does guage support.
4. TERRITORY: Marshall brings no new state, new media, or recruiting territory. Conversely, it might hurt a standing member.
My final analysis is this. I would not add Marshall as a ninth school. However, if they win CUSA, WVU nominates them, and we go to 12, I think they deserve serious consideration. I believe they will find that CUSA, even without Louisville, will be tougher sledding than the MAC.
This brings me to my final point, the MAC, arguably the next to worst conference in 1a football. Five teams in the MAC had better records than Marshall last year--FIVE. Add to this that Marshall just lost their fine coach, and I wonder how they plan to get better.
One of the things Marshall fans keep contending is that they are a rival of WVU. PLEASE! The governor had to force WVU to play them again. How many times has Marshall won that game in their history? NEVER, NOT ONE GAME. Is this a rivalry?
As a matter of fact, they do not have a winning record against one single BIGEAST team or even one team we have discussed regarding expansion.
I'll never say never, but Marshall is not high on my wish list. If I had to go to the MAC (which I don't want), I would take any of these teams first: MIAMI OH, 10-30-1; BOWLING GREEN, 7-20; OHIO, 17-29-6; TOLEDO, 18-22-1; et al. In case you haven't guessed, those numbers are Marshall's records against those teams.
If I were a betting man (which I'm not), I'd have to say that they will be hard-pressed to finish in the top half of their 6-team division in cusa next year. I predict that MEMPHIS AND S MISS will both be higher. UAB and ECU may both be higher. That only leaves UCF. I think the herd can beat UCF.
you need to get your facts straight before you post, should also take care of being hypocritical (spelling?)
First, Marshall has more than one bcs victory. K-state, clemson, south carolina, rutgers (of course everyone beats them). We do schedule the top dogs of the bcs conferences most of the time and lately have competed better against those schools than many other bcs teams. had tenn. sweating, took ohio state to the wire, beat k-state. maybe its too much for you to know the truth and give us credit.
second, UConn has a 40K seat stadium, cincy has a 35K seat stadium, with marshall's capacity in between those two, how are they not worthy? Hell, Boston College only had a 44K stadium. the only school that sells out their stadium or has a large stadium with good attendance is WVU, so why you are talking about attendance on behalf of the conference bewilders me.
go ahead and suggest the MAC schools, it just makes you look as if you have no clue of what you are talking about seeing as how you were just harping on stadium size and attendance haha. The all time records are what they are "all time". Since Marshalls jump back to 1A in 97 should be the only valid records to show, wonder what those may be????
I could care less about if we ever get in the Big East, I am just happy to be out of the MAC. By the way, we will be just fine in our new conference, since you don't know the differences I will educate you. The MAC has a winning bowl record against CUSA and can hang with alot of the "bigger" universities. Competition in CUSA will be no tougher than the MAC, that is not why we left. We left for more exposure and money and bowls, but seeing as you obviously don't pay attention or just ignore the facts than I guess you really have no clue.
Have a nice day
Dear herd of butt,
I always try to verify my facts before I post. Let us review to see if I have, in fact, made any errors.
HERD WRITES:
First, Marshall has more than one bcs victory
JIM'S POST STATED:
1. REPUTATION: They have a pretty good rep, but are probably overrated. They have only beaten one 1a bcs school in the last five years.
JIM RESPONDS:
I did not say that you only beat one bcs team in your entire history, which goes back to 1895. I said that Marshall had only beaten one bcs team in the past five years. Let's review those years against bcs teams.
2000:
L MICHIGAN STATE
L NORTH CAROLINA
2001:
L FLORIDA
2002:
L VIRGINIA TECH
2003:
L TENNESSEE
W KANSAS STATE
2004:
L OHIO STATE
L GEORGIA
HERD WRITES:
maybe its too much for you to know the truth and give us credit.
JIM RESPONDS:
The facts are posted above, five years and one bcs victory. Please read more carefully before making personal attacks.
HERD WRITES:
the only school that sells out their stadium or has a large stadium with good attendance is WVU, so why you are talking about attendance on behalf of the conference bewilders me.
JIM RESPONDS:
I never contended that Cincinnati's stadium was adequate. On the contrary, I think it's too small. They, of course, would have the option of moving a big game to the pro stadium. Marshall, on the other hand, has no such option. While I would like to see BIGEAST attendance increase, it should be noted that Marshall's attendance was lower than any BE team other than Cincinnati. My actual point was that Marshall's attendance was lower than several other candidates' attendance. My exact words were...
Marshall's average attendance in 2004 was 82nd, behind MEMPHIS, ARMY, NAVY, ECU, and S MISS. While attendance doesn't make a school good or bad, it does guage support.
HERD WRITES:
go ahead and suggest the MAC schools, it just makes you look as if you have no clue of what you are talking about seeing as how you were just harping on stadium size and attendance haha.
JIM RESPONDS:
Actually, I have no clue what you are talking about. My point concerning the MAC was that Marshall was not one of the top teams last year. My exact words were...
Five teams in the MAC had better records than Marshall last year--FIVE.
HERD WRITES;
Since Marshalls jump back to 1A in 97 should be the only valid records to show, wonder what those may be????
JIM RESPONDS:
If we go back to 1997, Marshall's record against bcs teams is this:
1997:
L WEST VIRGINIA
L MISSISSIPPI
1998:
W SOUTH CAROLINA
1999:
W TEMPLE
That would make Marshall's record against BCS teams 3-9 in the last 8 years.
HERD WRITES:
By the way, we will be just fine in our new conference, since you don't know the differences I will educate you. The MAC has a winning bowl record against CUSA and can hang with alot of the "bigger" universities.
JIM RESPONDS:
I don't know the MAC's record against the CUSA, and I'm too tired to research it right now. However, I do know Marshall's record againt the MAC. It's 17-27-1. As a matter of fact, Marshall only has a winning record against one 1a conference, the SUN BELT.
HERD WRITES:
seeing as you obviously don't pay attention or just ignore the facts than I guess you really have no clue.
Have a nice day
JIM RESPONDS:
Now, you have a nice day too.
I always have a nice day Jim
You never mentioned anything about your own conference brethren when stating stadium size in the post I read in reference to cincy. It was all down on Marshall it seemed , sorry if i seemed irrate
i overlooked the "last 5 years part" my bad. considering we schedule the big dogs in the bcs conferences most of the time, going 4-9 (since 97') ain't bad, and considering we had to play in a non-bcs conference and most of our games had to be against those teams, we don't get many opportunites to prove ourselves. yes, 2 of the wins were against crappy teams, but the other two are very respectable.
we had a down year last year, if 6-6 is our down year, doesn't that say something about marshall? especially since we nearly beat OSU and gave UGA a great defensive game.
ok, lets talk attendance. consider who we have been having to play every year for the last several years, its a wonder our attendance is what it is. have your team play the buffalo's and eastern michigan's of the world all the time, while getting no big teams to agree to give y ou a visit and see what your attendance is. K-State will be our first big name team to come in, check our attendance after the game, i am sure it will be all the stadium can handle. CUSA games will be a big improvement as well, I expect our attendance to be around 32-33K at least.
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I think Marshall Univ. should be the 9th
