I'm tired of people talking up Temple football as though it is some program that will help the Big East. Temple football has a 5 year sagarin rating of 100+, and is currently 5-4 in a poor MAC conference. They don't have any fans (18k fans against UConn last year), and they don't have any tv appeal (most of their games are on internet streaming.

Temple football would HURT the Big East's AQ BCS status.

I know memphis football is bad this year, but we have been to 5 bowls the past 10 yrs. Temple has been to ONE bowl the past 30 years, and there were 25k fans there (against powerhouse UCLA).

Temple basketball is okay, but Memphis basketball is better. Temple basketball averages 5,000 fans per game, and they have only 1 tournament win in the past decade. Memphis basketball averages almost 20k per game and we do make deep toruney runs. Memphis has several Final 4's in the past 30 yrs, Temple has none.

And just as important, Memphis OWNs our market. We dominate a fairly large city. Temple is a secondary team in a city that the Big East already owns (Villanova averages twice as many fans as Temple and is on television all the time while Temple has no espn games this year and only a few espn2 games).

I know that the Big East wants BYU and Army as their first choices. And if those two turn them down then it will be between ECU, Memphis and Temple. If the Big East is looking for football, then obviously ECU is the choice. But if the Big East is looking for best all around sports, including basketball, and market presence, it is clearly Memphis. And I really don't even know how Temple is in the picture at all besides them publicly lobbying for admission, they hurt football and don't add enough on the basketball side.

Anyway, I hope we get invited as the new Big East is shaping up to be a pretty cool conference.

No one cares.

YOU WERE RANKED 173 LAST YEAR! What else do you need to understand? 173 puts you behind 50 FCS schools. The Big East (at this time) cannot handle a program that drags down its average conference rating that far. Memphis picked an awful time for their program to go to total crap... the last 3 years have been awful. Memphis essentially removed itself from consideration based on the quality of play it has had the past 3 years (of which 2 of the years factor in to the BCS AQ formula for 2014).

Oh yeah, if Memphis is in a bcs conference then Fed Ex might dump millions into our football and we might be able to compete. The liberty bowl is cool (but old) and our athletic facilities on campus are good.

Last time Temple was in a bcs conference they used the windfall money from the Big East to fund their other sports. Right now Temple uses $13 mill per year in institutional support for athletics. If Temple joins the Big East they will probably just use that money to cut their institutional support hemoraging and fund the rest of their athletic program, like they were doing last time they were in the big east and got kicked out of the conference for doing.

I know our football is weak. But its not any worse than temple. In fact, it is better than temple.

We have been to 5 bowl games the past 10 yrs.

Temple has been to 1 bowl game the past 30 yrs.

Temple's 5 year sagarin rating average is also over 100. They would also hurt the conference's bcs status as much as memphis would, maybe more.

Thats why neither should be invited. BYU or bust.

If Memphis or Temple are chosen...it will be because of their location in large market....period. The BE has plenty of BB inventory to sell already.

Pretty sure there are more vols fans in memphis than memphis fans

(11-03-2011 11:04 AM)memphisribs Wrote:  I know our football is weak. But its not any worse than temple. In fact, it is better than temple.

We have been to 5 bowl games the past 10 yrs.

Temple has been to 1 bowl game the past 30 yrs.

Temple's 5 year sagarin rating average is also over 100. They would also hurt the conference's bcs status as much as memphis would, maybe more.

The next BCS review will be based on 2010-2013 success. Memphis has zero. At least Temple has some sort of success. I'd prefer neither myself, personally.

Its not like having Temple in the Big East is going to increase the conference's exposure in philly. The Big East already owns Philly, Nova carries the torch there. Temple only brings about 5,000 fans to games and they are pretty good, and most of their basketball games are only available on internet streaming.

Memphis OWNS the city of Memphis. 20,000 fans cannot be ignored, one of the most solid fan bases in the nation. Adding Memphis to the conference puts Big East games on a memphis regional affiliate, puts coaches shows on the weekly schedule down here, and puts Big East news roundups in the paper. None of this is increased in Philly be adding Temple.

I totally understand why the Big East wants BYU or Army. And if they pick ECU over Memphis then I will disagree but realize why. But even thinking about Temple doesn't make sense. Temple doesn't really add anything of value to the conference.

(11-03-2011 11:12 AM)ncbeta Wrote:  Pretty sure there are more vols fans in memphis than memphis fans

This is 100% false.

(11-03-2011 11:12 AM)ncbeta Wrote:  Pretty sure there are more vols fans in memphis than memphis fans

Then you are clueless. Sorry, but we are top billing around here.

Memphis OWN the city. Look at the basketball attendance.

Why did this thread get moved? It is about big east expansion.

(11-03-2011 10:57 AM)memphisribs Wrote:  I'm tired of people talking up Temple football as though it is some program that will help the Big East. Temple football has a 5 year sagarin rating of 100+, and is currently 5-4 in a poor MAC conference. They don't have any fans (18k fans against UConn last year), and they don't have any tv appeal (most of their games are on internet streaming.

Temple football would HURT the Big East's AQ BCS status.

I know memphis football is bad this year, but we have been to 5 bowls the past 10 yrs. Temple has been to ONE bowl the past 30 years, and there were 25k fans there (against powerhouse UCLA).

Irrelevant to the expansion question. The review period is 2010-2013. Memphis is 173 for 2010 and Temple was 66. Currently Temple is 53 and Memphis is 176. Temple would be a drag on the conference, Memphis is a boat anchor.

Quote:Temple basketball is okay, but Memphis basketball is better. Temple basketball averages 5,000 fans per game, and they have only 1 tournament win in the past decade. Memphis basketball averages almost 20k per game and we do make deep toruney runs. Memphis has several Final 4's in the past 30 yrs, Temple has none.

According to the NCAA you have no recent final 4's .All your victories were vacated for using an ineligible player. When you factor that into the equation there isn't much of a advantage. You do draw better, but if you look at the fact that Philadelphia has 5 Div I BB programs and Memphis has 1 it really isn't surprising.Temple also competes with a professional hockey team for fans, Memphis does not. Both cities have a pro BB team.

Quote:And just as important, Memphis OWNs our market. We dominate a fairly large city. Temple is a secondary team in a city that the Big East already owns (Villanova averages twice as many fans as Temple and is on television all the time while Temple has no espn games this year and only a few espn2 games).

If either school were in the Big East their TV exposure would increase. Temple more so because they have a built in rivalry with Villanova.

Quote:I know that the Big East wants BYU and Army as their first choices. And if those two turn them down then it will be between ECU, Memphis and Temple. If the Big East is looking for football, then obviously ECU is the choice. But if the Big East is looking for best all around sports, including basketball, and market presence, it is clearly Memphis. And I really don't even know how Temple is in the picture at all besides them publicly lobbying for admission, they hurt football and don't add enough on the basketball side.

Anyway, I hope we get invited as the new Big East is shaping up to be a pretty cool conference.

Memphis is hardly the clear cut winner here. Temple sits in the geographic center of the eastern part of the conference and a FB team in the 4th largest media market in the country is probably worth more than all of the Memphis market to advertisers. If you look at it as a whole, Memphis is far worse in FB and only slightly better in BB. Not looking to flame but your perspective is highly tainted with Memphis bias. I don't have a dog in this fight anymore, so I can be more objective. This post was moved because it was a flame against Temple. Whether you meant it to be or not, your passion for Memphis translated into an attack on Temple.

I guess 5 ESPN/ESPN2 games this year qualifies as 'very few'.

(11-03-2011 10:57 AM)memphisribs Wrote:  I'm tired of people talking up Temple football as though it is some program that will help the Big East. Temple football has a 5 year sagarin rating of 100+, and is currently 5-4 in a poor MAC conference. They don't have any fans (18k fans against UConn last year), and they don't have any tv appeal (most of their games are on internet streaming.

Temple football would HURT the Big East's AQ BCS status.

I know memphis football is bad this year, but we have been to 5 bowls the past 10 yrs. Temple has been to ONE bowl the past 30 years, and there were 25k fans there (against powerhouse UCLA).

Temple basketball is okay, but Memphis basketball is better. Temple basketball averages 5,000 fans per game, and they have only 1 tournament win in the past decade. Memphis basketball averages almost 20k per game and we do make deep toruney runs. Memphis has several Final 4's in the past 30 yrs, Temple has none.

And just as important, Memphis OWNs our market. We dominate a fairly large city. Temple is a secondary team in a city that the Big East already owns (Villanova averages twice as many fans as Temple and is on television all the time while Temple has no espn games this year and only a few espn2 games).

I know that the Big East wants BYU and Army as their first choices. And if those two turn them down then it will be between ECU, Memphis and Temple. If the Big East is looking for football, then obviously ECU is the choice. But if the Big East is looking for best all around sports, including basketball, and market presence, it is clearly Memphis. And I really don't even know how Temple is in the picture at all besides them publicly lobbying for admission, they hurt football and don't add enough on the basketball side.

Anyway, I hope we get invited as the new Big East is shaping up to be a pretty cool conference.

If you're gonna talk about the MAC, say it right. Its not the MAC Conference. Just say the MAC. Clueless.

Temple is a fine team. The only thing I agree with is that they get way too much attention on these boards despite being not being the MAC's best team (and possibly never beating a MAC team with a winning record Ball State pending).

I thought Temple was on the verge of skipping the Big East and heading straight to the ACC!

We just cant get enough of beating Maryland in football and basketball.