Please drop this forum since they are no longer in the Big East.

Reading is fundamental.

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Murph1 Wrote:Reading is fundamental.

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Murph it is his shtick

Have you seen my baseball?

By the way, the MAC now confirms that Temple will join for football.

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Murph1 Wrote:By the way, the MAC now confirms that Temple will join for football.

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Amazing; they get rid of UCF and they add Temple. I would say its a lateral move.

I wonder who would have won if these 2 teams played last year. I think Temple would have blown UCF away. Afterall, temple did win a couple of games last year, including the Cuse.

You also have to wonder why the MAC insists on having 14 teams. With Marshall and UCF moving to C-USA, the MAC was at a perfect 12.

Murph1 Wrote:You also have to wonder why the MAC insists on having 14 teams. With Marshall and UCF moving to C-USA, the MAC was at a perfect 12.

Two reasons why the MAC let Temple in.

1.Philadelphia market...I know Temple doesn't control it the way Memphis has Memphis but that market is too large to ignore. It will definitely help the MAC in TV and recruiting out East. Plus, Temple also helps the MAC in Pittsburgh which airs some regional MAC games and makes the MAC's footprint contiguous (IL, IN, MI, OH, PA, NY) in a sense building in Pennsylvania while stretching to the EAST.

2. The Big reshuffle. In a few years, everyone in the industry expects the Big East to split, possibly taking a few teams, and potentially wrecking havoc on the MAC and CUSA. I think the MAC feels like it would be in a better position with a school like Temple to possibly pick off a couple stragglers when conferences realign. There has also been talk of Toledo leaving for CUSA, and the possibility of a couple MAC programs leaving if CUSA ever split up as a conference.

Kit-Cat Wrote:

Murph1 Wrote:You also have to wonder why the MAC insists on having 14 teams. With Marshall and UCF moving to C-USA, the MAC was at a perfect 12.

Two reasons why the MAC let Temple in.

1.Philadelphia market...I know Temple doesn't control it the way Memphis has Memphis but that market is too large to ignore. It will definitely help the MAC in TV and recruiting out East. Plus, Temple also helps the MAC in Pittsburgh which airs some regional MAC games and makes the MAC's footprint contiguous (IL, IN, MI, OH, PA, NY) in a sense building in Pennsylvania while stretching to the EAST.

2. The Big reshuffle. In a few years, everyone in the industry expects the Big East to split, possibly taking a few teams, and potentially wrecking havoc on the MAC and CUSA. I think the MAC feels like it would be in a better position with a school like Temple to possibly pick off a couple stragglers when conferences realign. There has also been talk of Toledo leaving for CUSA, and the possibility of a couple MAC programs leaving if CUSA ever split up as a conference.

Not for nothing but an improving Temple come Big East split and further conference realignments will likely mean that the Football schools take our maligned partner away from the MAC, don't tell me that they wouldn't want to reallign with traditional rivals in Rutgers, West Virginia, Syracuse, and Pitt and a BCS conference. The MAC should not bet on Temple being there in 6 years. I hope Temple makes the necessary investments in their programs to come back home. They may have been voted out but it wasn't unanimous and some members such as Rutgers stuck up for them. Go on the Rutgers rivals board regarding Temple's impending move of Football to the MAC, people are none too happy about their old rival and partner no longer being on the schedule.

brista21 Wrote:

Kit-Cat Wrote:

Murph1 Wrote:You also have to wonder why the MAC insists on having 14 teams. With Marshall and UCF moving to C-USA, the MAC was at a perfect 12.

Two reasons why the MAC let Temple in.

1.Philadelphia market...I know Temple doesn't control it the way Memphis has Memphis but that market is too large to ignore. It will definitely help the MAC in TV and recruiting out East. Plus, Temple also helps the MAC in Pittsburgh which airs some regional MAC games and makes the MAC's footprint contiguous (IL, IN, MI, OH, PA, NY) in a sense building in Pennsylvania while stretching to the EAST.

2. The Big reshuffle. In a few years, everyone in the industry expects the Big East to split, possibly taking a few teams, and potentially wrecking havoc on the MAC and CUSA. I think the MAC feels like it would be in a better position with a school like Temple to possibly pick off a couple stragglers when conferences realign. There has also been talk of Toledo leaving for CUSA, and the possibility of a couple MAC programs leaving if CUSA ever split up as a conference.

Not for nothing but an improving Temple come Big East split and further conference realignments will likely mean that the Football schools take our maligned partner away from the MAC, don't tell me that they wouldn't want to reallign with traditional rivals in Rutgers, West Virginia, Syracuse, and Pitt and a BCS conference. The MAC should not bet on Temple being there in 6 years. I hope Temple makes the necessary investments in their programs to come back home. They may have been voted out but it wasn't unanimous and some members such as Rutgers stuck up for them. Go on the Rutgers rivals board regarding Temple's impending move of Football to the MAC, people are none too happy about their old rival and partner no longer being on the schedule.

If people aren't happy about Temple not being on the schedule anymore, then maybe they shouldn't have kicked Temple out of the league.


I just don't see the Big East taking Temple back, but even if they do then that is one less school that could possibly be taken from the MAC to either the BE or C-USA. Chryst, the MAC's commish, is very determined to keep 13 or 14 schools in the MAC so that losing 1 or 2 does not force the MAC to make a quick decision in gaining another school quickly just to ensure we stay at 12 and keep our MAC Championship game.

That and the 45 plus men's and women's basketball games that Temple has guaranteed to play against MAC schools makes this deal worth while. Even if it is just a marriage of convenience and temporary. UCF was the same way. Everyone knew they wouldn't be in the MAC forever.

Temple had their chance. In the mid 90s they could've made a commitment. Instead they cashed their checks while their fans supported their losing seasons by showing up by the dozens at the Vet. I would support a Nova upgrading but in a few years after we digest the new teams.

Quote:Not for nothing but an improving Temple come Big East split and further conference realignments will likely mean that the Football schools take our maligned partner away from the MAC, don't tell me that they wouldn't want to reallign with traditional rivals in Rutgers, West Virginia, Syracuse, and Pitt and a BCS conference. The MAC should not bet on Temple being there in 6 years. I hope Temple makes the necessary investments in their programs to come back home. They may have been voted out but it wasn't unanimous and some members such as Rutgers stuck up for them. Go on the Rutgers rivals board regarding Temple's impending move of Football to the MAC, people are none too happy about their old rival and partner no longer being on the schedule.

-- Judging by the BE papers...I don't think the door is totally closed on Temple...but they do need to make a commitment to a winning football pogram before we even consider taking them back...maybe Temple football can rally the way Navy has the last few yrs

-- Brista...do you think on of the problems with Temple was they weren't in for all sports? I have always figured if Temple would have been allowed to join for all sports they would have been more accepted and might still be in the BE...I think the long term hybrid situatin made everyone uncomfortable..

-- One of the ironies of the old BE....we had Miami, but not Miami baseball....we had Notre Dame, but not ND football, we had Temple, but not Temple basketball....sometimes I find it amazing the old league lasted as long as it did


Jackson

Jackson1011 Wrote:-- Brista...do you think on of the problems with Temple was they weren't in for all sports? I have always figured if Temple would have been allowed to join for all sports they would have been more accepted and might still be in the BE...I think the long term hybrid situatin made everyone uncomfortable..

-- One of the ironies of the old BE....we had Miami, but not Miami baseball....we had Notre Dame, but not ND football, we had Temple, but not Temple basketball....sometimes I find it amazing the old league lasted as long as it did


Jackson

Absolutely think that if Temple was an all-sports member their entire athletic program would be different. They would have been better situated to make a committment to football and they're basketball program would have added that much more to the already powerful Big East lineup. In many ways I'm surprised Temple wasn't invited over Rutgers during that round of all sports expansion. I guess old Gruninger and President Lawrence were worth something. Ahh the ironies of the old league, at least two of those errors has been corrected in the new league no football onlies and no skipping out on certain league sports to be an independent.

Quote:In many ways I'm surprised Temple wasn't invited over Rutgers during that round of all sports expansion

-- The way I underdstand it Villanova had a lot to do with Temple being kept out in the cold...both bball programs were solid in the early 90s but temple was probably a little better....the BE could have had a Philly version of Duke/Carolina but instead many of the members bowed to the wishes of the Wildcats

-- If you polled WVU fans...Temple would probably be second on our all time hoops rivalry list behind Pitt...Would gladly take them back if the Owls football program could rise to the level of an Indiana or a Wake Forest..just draw 25-30,000 and go to a bowl a couple times per decade....I don't think that is asking to much


Jackson