BE should add Memphis and Central F;orida because both could bring bowl oportunties to the BE!

^Wrong.... Memphis does not carry the Liberty and CFU does not carry the Tang or Capitol One... it is simple as that. When was the last time Memphis played in the official Liberty Bowl game?

When was the last time USF played in a Bowl?

Quote:Didn't the Big East have a tie in with the Music City Bowl at one time?

-- Yep....if memory serves the BE was 4-1 against the SEC in that bowl game...the two games that stand out in my memory are Virginia Tech's win over Alabama (really put the Hokies on the map) and of course WVUs destrucion of Ole Miss....but same old song and dance for the BE....no school traveled except for WVU and VT and the bowl was worried about attendnace....bowl attendance as always been an achillies heel for this league

Quote:IF ---- and it remains an "if" - the ACC does align with the Liberty Bowl - I suspect it would make the Liberty that much more attractive to the Big East. And make Memphis that much more likely a candidate for a Big East position if and when BE expansion occurs.

-- agreed...I think the BE losing the gator bowl was great news for Memphis


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USFBullSpit Wrote:^Wrong.... Memphis does not carry the Liberty and CFU does not carry the Tang or Capitol One... it is simple as that. When was the last time Memphis played in the official Liberty Bowl game?

No, that's exactly where you're wrong. The Liberty Bowl president expressed very publically that the LB would always like to be affiliated with whatever conference Memphis is in...even though we have never played in it. I guess we do carry the Liberty.

Sorry for being a tad bitchy, I've been fixing up my "new" house for 3 solid weeks now.

Let's just say (hypothetically) that the LB signs a deal with the ACC to play against a C-USA team in the bowl. What would happen if down the road, the BE decided to add Memphis as a 9th member? Would the LB still be obligated to fufill it's contract with said conferences or would there be an escape clause if Memphis should change conference affiliations and hence allow the BE to be an LB participant?

I would hope te Liberty Bowl would fulfill its obligation to whatever conference it was aligned. That would be honorable, and there is not enough of that around these days. Then they could pick up the Big East.

Next, Wilkie, I'd go in with you on UCF if over the next three or four seasons they show competitiveness and can win. I can think of nothing better than going to Sea World Friday, watching UofL play saturday, and going to the Magic Kingdom Sunday. That would be an awesome road game.

Murpf 1, lets say the Pac 10 decided to add memphis...do they get the Liberty Bowl?

TopCoog Wrote:Murpf 1, lets say the Pac 10 decided to add memphis...do they get the Liberty Bowl?

I'm not Murpf but I'll give you a straight answer. IF the Tigs play in the Moon Conference, then the LB will go to the moon. YES....to your question.

personally, I don't think Memphis will ever be in the BE, though I used to think it was a possibility.......but to answer the question of a few posters - the LB will always be affiliated with the University of Memphis' conference.......

I'll differ just a wee bit with my Tiger brothers. If Jim Rout, the President of the Liberty Bowl, decides that it is in the Liberty Bowl's financial interest to look elsewhere he might go ahead do that. This despite his connections to the University of Memphis. Yet, I think interest in the Liberty Bowl, and hence the Liberty Bowl's financial interest is located, in large part, in providing entertaining match-ups for locals. And there is demostratable local interest in Tiger and 'Tiger connected' football. First, the Tigers have been #1 and #2 in attendance in CUSA the past two years. Second, there is quite a bit of local interest in established Tiger opponents and certain conference mates. Last year, the Memphis / Ole Miss drew the 3rd largest crowd ever in Oxford. We've beat Ole Miss the last two years by the way – including a defeat of their Eli Manning lead Cotton Bowl championship team. There was local interest in the Louisville Liberty Bowl championship appearance last year – although I would think most locals went to the game to see a Louisville defeat :) And over 52,000 were at the Memphis – Louisville game at the Liberty Bowl last year. Why is 52,000 a bigger deal than it really appears? Of those 52,000 only about 1,000 were Louisville fans. So with the interest in Memphis football and with those connected with Memphis football --- I seriously doubt that the Liberty Bowl will disconnect itself from the Tigers. So, forgetting the other connections for the moment, forget that the Liberty Bowl has been located in Memphis for ovewr 40 years, I think the U of M connection draws too many local tickets sales for the Liberty Bowl for them to disconnect at the moment. "IF" the Tigers land in a BCS conference -- there is little doubt in my mind that the Libery Bowl would have a very strong desire to follow ---

Tigers2B1 Wrote:I'll differ just a wee bit with my Tiger brothers. If Jim Rout, the President of the Liberty Bowl, decides that it is in the Liberty Bowl's financial interest to look elsewhere he might go ahead do that. This despite his connections to the University of Memphis. Yet, I think interest in the Liberty Bowl, and hence the Liberty Bowl's financial interest is located, in large part, in providing entertaining match-ups for locals. And there is demostratable local interest in Tiger and 'Tiger connected' football. First, the Tigers have been #1 and #2 in attendance in CUSA the past two years. Second, there is quite a bit of local interest in established Tiger opponents and certain conference mates. Last year, the Memphis / Ole Miss drew the 3rd largest crowd ever in Oxford. We've beat Ole Miss the last two years by the way – including a defeat of their Eli Manning lead Cotton Bowl championship team. There was local interest in the Louisville Liberty Bowl championship appearance last year – although I would think most locals went to the game to see a Louisville defeat :) And over 52,000 were at the Memphis – Louisville game at the Liberty Bowl last year. Why is 52,000 a bigger deal than it really appears? Of those 52,000 only about 1,000 were Louisville fans. So with the interest in Memphis football and with those connected with Memphis football --- I seriously doubt that the Liberty Bowl will disconnect itself from the Tigers. So, forgetting the other connections for the moment, forget that the Liberty Bowl has been located in Memphis for ovewr 40 years, I think the U of M connection draws too many local tickets sales for the Liberty Bowl for them to disconnect at the moment. "IF" the Tigers land in a BCS conference -- there is little doubt in my mind that the Libery Bowl would have a very strong desire to follow ---

Are you saying Louisville only traveled 1,000 from KY? I heard it was like 15,000?

Tigers2B1 Wrote:I'll differ just a wee bit with my Tiger brothers. If Jim Rout, the President of the Liberty Bowl, decides that it is in the Liberty Bowl's financial interest to look elsewhere he might go ahead do that. This despite his connections to the University of Memphis. Yet, I think interest in the Liberty Bowl, and hence the Liberty Bowl's financial interest is located, in large part, in providing entertaining match-ups for locals. And there is demostratable local interest in Tiger and 'Tiger connected' football. First, the Tigers have been #1 and #2 in attendance in CUSA the past two years. Second, there is quite a bit of local interest in established Tiger opponents and certain conference mates. Last year, the Memphis / Ole Miss drew the 3rd largest crowd ever in Oxford. We've beat Ole Miss the last two years by the way – including a defeat of their Eli Manning lead Cotton Bowl championship team. There was local interest in the Louisville Liberty Bowl championship appearance last year – although I would think most locals went to the game to see a Louisville defeat :) And over 52,000 were at the Memphis – Louisville game at the Liberty Bowl last year. Why is 52,000 a bigger deal than it really appears? Of those 52,000 only about 1,000 were Louisville fans. So with the interest in Memphis football and with those connected with Memphis football --- I seriously doubt that the Liberty Bowl will disconnect itself from the Tigers. So, forgetting the other connections for the moment, forget that the Liberty Bowl has been located in Memphis for ovewr 40 years, I think the U of M connection draws too many local tickets sales for the Liberty Bowl for them to disconnect at the moment. "IF" the Tigers land in a BCS conference -- there is little doubt in my mind that the Libery Bowl would have a very strong desire to follow ---

You are full of sh!t on that on. We sent at least 25,000 to the Liberty Bowl this past year and we usually send at least 25-28,000 to every Liberty Bowl.

Maize Wrote:

Tigers2B1 Wrote:I'll differ just a wee bit with my Tiger brothers.  If Jim Rout, the President of the Liberty Bowl, decides that it is in the Liberty Bowl's financial interest to look elsewhere he might go ahead do that.  This despite his connections to the University of Memphis.  Yet, I think interest in the Liberty Bowl, and hence the Liberty Bowl's financial interest is located, in large part, in providing entertaining match-ups for locals.  And there is demostratable local interest in Tiger and 'Tiger connected' football.  First, the Tigers have been #1 and #2 in attendance in CUSA the past two years.  Second, there is quite a bit of local interest in established Tiger opponents and certain conference mates.  Last year, the Memphis / Ole Miss drew the 3rd largest crowd ever in Oxford.  We've beat Ole Miss the last two years by the way – including a defeat of their Eli Manning lead Cotton Bowl championship team.  There was local interest in the Louisville Liberty Bowl championship appearance last year – although I would think most locals went to the game to see a Louisville defeat :)  And over 52,000 were at the Memphis – Louisville game at the Liberty Bowl last year.  Why is 52,000 a bigger deal than it really appears?  Of those 52,000 only about 1,000 were Louisville fans.  So with the interest in Memphis football and with those connected with Memphis football --- I seriously doubt that the Liberty Bowl will disconnect itself from the Tigers.  So, forgetting the other connections for the moment, forget that the Liberty Bowl has been located in Memphis for ovewr 40 years, I think the U of M connection draws too many local tickets sales for the Liberty Bowl for them to disconnect at the moment.  "IF" the Tigers land in a BCS conference -- there is little doubt in my mind that the Libery Bowl would have a very strong desire to follow ---

You are full of sh!t on that on. We sent at least 25,000 to the Liberty Bowl this past year and we usually send at least 25-28,000 to every Liberty Bowl.

You sent 25,000 to the Memphis - Louisville game? Better read my post again. I think you're referring to the Liberty Bowl game December 31st. If you are claimiing that there were 25,000 at the Memphis-Louisville game - they must have all been wearing Memphis blue -- that is, all but about a 1,000 of them. And those 25,000 sure were quite - I was there and saw the Louisville crowd. There was about a 1,000 ONLY there for the Memphis - Louisville game --- that leaves us with about 51,000 Memphis fans.

We sent 1,000 to a mid week game after we had just played 6 days before. Not bad IMO.

Tigers2B1 Wrote:

Maize Wrote:

Tigers2B1 Wrote:I'll differ just a wee bit with my Tiger brothers.  If Jim Rout, the President of the Liberty Bowl, decides that it is in the Liberty Bowl's financial interest to look elsewhere he might go ahead do that.  This despite his connections to the University of Memphis.  Yet, I think interest in the Liberty Bowl, and hence the Liberty Bowl's financial interest is located, in large part, in providing entertaining match-ups for locals.  And there is demostratable local interest in Tiger and 'Tiger connected' football.  First, the Tigers have been #1 and #2 in attendance in CUSA the past two years.  Second, there is quite a bit of local interest in established Tiger opponents and certain conference mates.  Last year, the Memphis / Ole Miss drew the 3rd largest crowd ever in Oxford.  We've beat Ole Miss the last two years by the way – including a defeat of their Eli Manning lead Cotton Bowl championship team.  There was local interest in the Louisville Liberty Bowl championship appearance last year – although I would think most locals went to the game to see a Louisville defeat :)  And over 52,000 were at the Memphis – Louisville game at the Liberty Bowl last year.  Why is 52,000 a bigger deal than it really appears?  Of those 52,000 only about 1,000 were Louisville fans.  So with the interest in Memphis football and with those connected with Memphis football --- I seriously doubt that the Liberty Bowl will disconnect itself from the Tigers.  So, forgetting the other connections for the moment, forget that the Liberty Bowl has been located in Memphis for ovewr 40 years, I think the U of M connection draws too many local tickets sales for the Liberty Bowl for them to disconnect at the moment.  "IF" the Tigers land in a BCS conference -- there is little doubt in my mind that the Libery Bowl would have a very strong desire to follow ---

You are full of sh!t on that on. We sent at least 25,000 to the Liberty Bowl this past year and we usually send at least 25-28,000 to every Liberty Bowl.

You sent 25,000 to the Memphis - Louisville game? Better read my post again. I think you're referring to the Liberty Bowl game December 31st. If you are claimiing that there were 25,000 at the Memphis-Louisville game - they must have all been wearing Memphis blue -- that is, all but about a 1,000 of them. And those 25,000 sure were quite - I was there and saw the Louisville crowd. There was about a 1,000 ONLY there for the Memphis - Louisville game --- that leaves us with about 51,000 Memphis fans.

GOTCHA

RTFP

I quickly scanned I thought you were talking about the Liberty Bowl game not a regular season game.

That sounds resonable. Louisville was lucky to bring about 250 to Syracuse for a regular season game in '03.

Louisville didn't bring many to Houston this year either.

TopCoog Wrote:Louisville didn't bring many to Houston this year either.

How many did Houston bring to Louisville in 2003. My guess was maybe 3.

Maize Wrote:We sent 1,000 to a mid week game after we had just played 6 days before. Not bad IMO.

Maize: I don't think anyone was attempting to flame UL's travelling fans. Your school has good support for reasonable travel games, no doubt about it. It was just a matter of you thinking he was talking Bowl game, when it was the regular season game. Not a bad turn out by the UL fans considering it was a mid-week game, and a great turnout by Memphis fans for the same reason. It was a great game, would have liked a different result though!

tigercat Wrote:...Not a bad turn out by the UL fans considering it was a mid-week game, and a great turnout by Memphis fans for the same reason.

And not only a great mid-week turnout ---- but the darn thing was on TV in the city. No one had to go to the game to watch - And it was a GREAT game - about 1200 yards in total offense and over 100 points --