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Looks like the BE, ND bowl relationship may be coming to and end


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Last week's recommendation for $1 million in annual guarantees from Orange County was the second bit of good news in a week for the Champs Sports Bowl, and the game organizer already is planning a jump in college football's pecking order.

Florida Citrus Sports said it can use the county's backstop to pull in more financial support and at least double the game's payout starting in 2006. "It puts us in a new ballpark," FCSports Executive Director Tom Mickle said.

Certainly in a new neighborhood.

Since moving to Orlando in 2001, the Champs Sports Bowl (formerly the Tangerine Bowl) has paid the NCAA-minimum $750,000 per team, but Mickle estimated a likely 2006 payout of $1.5 million.

That would vault the bowl out of a lower tier into the category with the Sun ($1.5 million payout last year), Alamo ($1.55 million) and Gator ($1.6 million) bowls.

The Tourist Development Council on Friday recommended unanimously that Orange County guarantee 18,000 in local ticket sales at $60 for four years of bowls, starting in 2006. The recommendation will be placed into future Orange County budget proposals, which must be approved by the Orange County Commission.

If total ticket sales are less than 54,000, the county makes up the shortfall. Mickle said the bowl sold 39,600 tickets for the 2004 game.

"I'm beyond predicting commission votes," Orange County Mayor Rich Crotty said of the panel's recommendation, "but I suspect it's going to get some support."

Orange County has done this twice before. It gave $1 million in pledges in 1992 for the Florida Citrus Bowl. It also pledged $1 million for Orlando's 1996 World Cup bid. FCSports didn't need the money either time, and it doesn't plan on needing it this time.

Last week's decision by ESPN to move the bowl date until after Christmas, beginning this season, automatically gives the game more stature, Mickle said.

The post-Christmas date makes more teams available for selection. And FCSports leaders have said since 2002 that a post-Christmas date would generate a spike in ticket sales. If so, that will minimize the county's exposure.

In addition, Champs Sports' title sponsorship increases in value every year, though Mickle wouldn't give the value of the sponsorship agreement.

"What this allows Florida Citrus Sports to do is go into a competitive environment and recruit better teams to come here," Crotty said. "I'm optimistic."

The bowl-dealing season already is in full swing, and Mickle on Monday met with a half-dozen executives from ABC about the next-generation contract for the Capital One Bowl. For one more season, that game pits a runner-up from the SEC against a runner-up from the Big Ten, but Mickle has pitched the conferences and the network on a variety of options. Some of those tie the Champs Sports in with the Capital One. Others involve a third bowl and a "parlay" system.

SEC Commissioner Mike Slive and Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany were intrigued by the proposals they've heard in recent weeks.

"But it doesn't matter what I think or what Tom thinks," Delany said. "It matters what ABC thinks and what Capital One thinks. They're paying the bills."

It's possible the new mix could include Notre Dame. Fighting Irish Athletic Director Kevin White has talked to FCSports about ways to guarantee Notre Dame an Orlando bowl appearance at least once over the next four-year bowl agreement. Notre Dame also has expressed an interest in bringing one of its regular-season games to Orlando over the same period.

The Irish are part of the Big East's bowl framework for 2005, but their status after that is undetermined. Big East Commissioner Mike Tranghese is selling his re-formed league as having the Irish for the postseason, but nothing is signed.

"I think the best way to phrase it is we're jogging along with the Big East and we're staying in pretty close communication with Mike," said John Heisler, Notre Dame's senior associate athletic director. "There are a lot of conversations taking place. . . . I don't think anybody knows where this is all going yet. That's what we're all trying to find out."
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That is fine with me, like I said either sh!t or get off the pot.
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Maize Wrote:That is fine with me, like I said either sh!t or get off the pot.
I don't have a horse in this race, but I never liked Notre Dame. I would think that the BE would get more benefit by dumping Notre Dame and adding Navy in their place. I think people overlook the national attention Navy brings to the table in football, though they aren't a national power anymore (neither is Notre Dame) but I think their history and tradition easily rivals ND's.

Jackson - did you read Vingle's column this morning?
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The fact that ND seems to be negotating with bowls on there own suggets to me that the agreement will not be renewed


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Quote:Jackson - did you read Vingle's column this morning?

Didn't catch it...any news ?



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Jackson1011 Wrote:
Quote:Jackson - did you read Vingle's column this morning?

Didn't catch it...any news?



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At a deadlock, but still talking. :bang:
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I guess I'm interpreting this differently.

If ND is guaranteeing the Champs Bowl the Irish once every four years this leaves three years in which the Champs will need a team from another conference. Since Heisler says in the article:

"I think the best way to phrase it is we're jogging along with the Big East and we're staying in pretty close communication with Mike,"

I take from this that the BE will be the league that gets the team the other three years. This deal is similar to the one the BE/Irish have worked out with the Insight in the past.

Which goes along with what we have been hearing all along:

Champs replaces the Insight or Gator for BE/ND.

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omnicarrier Wrote:I guess I'm interpreting this differently.

If ND is guaranteeing the Champs Bowl the Irish once every four years this leaves three years in which the Champs will need a team from another conference. Since Heisler says in the article:

"I think the best way to phrase it is we're jogging along with the Big East and we're staying in pretty close communication with Mike,"

I take from this that the BE will be the league that gets the team the other three years. This deal is similar to the one the BE/Irish have worked out with the Insight in the past.

Which goes along with what we have been hearing all along:

Champs replaces the Insight or Gator for BE/ND.

Cheers,
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I agree with your assesssment. The Big East needs to fight hard to get this Champs Bowl. If we lose the Gator Bowl and no other Jan 1st games are possible I would say to make this the Big East #2 game. BE fans will travel to Orlando. If we keep the Gator make the Champs #3. I expect we could drop a little in overall payout but sucess/failure will be determined by the new Bowls locations and when they are played.
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I like your angle better guys.....although I must admit that I was hoping that after the good experance Syracuse and the Champs bowl had with each other last yr the BE could make a deal with that bowl that did not include Notre Dame

-- BTW....I read on a couple ACC boards that the Tire bowl is considering dropping the BE as well....I hope this is just idle internet chatter....but has anyone heard anything about this from a legitmate source?



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The key for BE is to win some of these bowl games. We cant get blown out on national TV anymore. BE needs to win some of these games and bowl people will be lining up. The bottom line is good competition = more fans, better TV coverage and more advertisers.
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Jeeez, not trying to talk smack, but ND is screwing you guys. Why would the BE
stand for bush league crap like that? You guys would be better served dropping them on their
independant asses.
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I'm glad to see Notre Dame & the Big East are at least jogging partners. The Big East Commish could probably stand to lose a few lbs. :D

On a serious note, the best thing that could happen to the Big East is to cut it's dependance on Notre Dame. If Notre Dame can't get the Big East bowls, what purpose do they serve?
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Jackson1011 Wrote:I like your angle better guys.....although I must admit that I was hoping that after the good experance Syracuse and the Champs bowl had with each other last yr the BE could make a deal with that bowl that did not include Notre Dame
Exactly. As much as I'd like to see the Champs Sports Bowl be a part of the Big East, it annoys the hell out of me that Tranghese is still selling Notre Dame as part of the conference's bowl package. IMHO, either you want a Big East team in your bowl game or you don't.
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Quote:Champs replaces the Insight or Gator for BE/ND.


I wouldn't bet on it.

<a href='http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/sports/11606934.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/sport...ts/11606934.htm</a>

Quote:Mickle is trying to pull off a unique alliance among the Capital One, Champs Sports and Cotton Bowl under which the Big 12, Big Ten, SEC and ACC would provide the six teams for those three games. Under the proposal, the ACC could play in the Capital One or Cotton bowls once every four years and remain in Champs Sports Bowl the remaining years.
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