knight_01 Wrote:

CardinalJim Wrote:

ecu92 Wrote:We changed our mind. We don't want in the Big East anymore. We decided, that just in case we don't finish in the top 2 of the league, we'd like to have access to a 2nd-tier bowl game. It doesn't appear that you guys will have that much longer. So, thanks but no thanks.

You have to love ECU Pirate thinking.....We don't want to join a BCS conference and compete for a National Title like UofL, UC and USF choose to do because we know we won't be able to go to a BCS Bowl game and there won't be a 2nd tier bowl game available to our 6-6 or 7-5 club. Pirate I hate to break the news to ya but there's not a "2nd Tier" bowl game as you call it available to you now in CUSA. Lets review quickly......BCS Bowls Top Tier...Sugar, Fiesta, Rose and Orange. 2nd Tier games...Gator, Outback, Cotton and any other New Years Day Bowl...CUSA's top prize is the Liberty Bowl. Now the Liberty is a great bowl and our future conference brothers in Memphis do a fantastic job hosting it but at best the Liberty Bowl is Tier 3 as are all bowls that play on New Years Eve. Let me simplify this for you...New Years Eve Bowls...Good, New Year Day Bowls Better and Bowls that happen after New Years Day....Best.
BTW I would not worry to much about this anyway. You folks at ECU aren't going to get a Big East invite anyway.
CJ

The next time a BE team wins a NC, you'll get my attention. Until then, you're over hyped and the only reason you get a seat at the table is number of TV sets in your states.

What do you think the chances are of a CUSA team winning a national championship? I think zero would be the right word to describe it.

At least the BE has a chance to get there. As has been stated we have a seat at the table. Why dont you go back to your 9th rated conference board if you cant respect our board?

cuseroc Wrote:

knight_01 Wrote:

CardinalJim Wrote:

ecu92 Wrote:We changed our mind. We don't want in the Big East anymore. We decided, that just in case we don't finish in the top 2 of the league, we'd like to have access to a 2nd-tier bowl game. It doesn't appear that you guys will have that much longer. So, thanks but no thanks.

You have to love ECU Pirate thinking.....We don't want to join a BCS conference and compete for a National Title like UofL, UC and USF choose to do because we know we won't be able to go to a BCS Bowl game and there won't be a 2nd tier bowl game available to our 6-6 or 7-5 club. Pirate I hate to break the news to ya but there's not a "2nd Tier" bowl game as you call it available to you now in CUSA. Lets review quickly......BCS Bowls Top Tier...Sugar, Fiesta, Rose and Orange. 2nd Tier games...Gator, Outback, Cotton and any other New Years Day Bowl...CUSA's top prize is the Liberty Bowl. Now the Liberty is a great bowl and our future conference brothers in Memphis do a fantastic job hosting it but at best the Liberty Bowl is Tier 3 as are all bowls that play on New Years Eve. Let me simplify this for you...New Years Eve Bowls...Good, New Year Day Bowls Better and Bowls that happen after New Years Day....Best.
BTW I would not worry to much about this anyway. You folks at ECU aren't going to get a Big East invite anyway.
CJ

The next time a BE team wins a NC, you'll get my attention. Until then, you're over hyped and the only reason you get a seat at the table is number of TV sets in your states.

What do you think the chances are of a CUSA team winning a national championship? I think zero would be the right word to describe it.

At least the BE has a chance to get there. As has been stated we have a seat at the table. Why dont you go back to your 9th rated conference board if you cant respect our board?

Funny considering a team that "doesn't have a seat at the table" just demolished your "breadwinner" in last year's Fiesta Bowl.

Gray Avenger Wrote:

SF Husky Wrote:For ECU, UCF and Memphis fans, the best way to get in is to show you guys have good programs in FB and BB.  In other words, just win and draw fans.

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You just made me throwup on my keyboard. The idea of UConn, with no major college football tradition whatsoever being a "BCS" school is nauseating enough, but your condescending advice is too much.

Hi Gray Avenger. UConn fan here. :wave: The fact that it makes you miserable makes it all worth while. :laugh:

Go UConn!

CardinalJim Wrote:

Gray Avenger,May 13 2005, 03:55 PM Wrote:[QUOTE=SF Husky,May 7 2005, 04:27 PM] For ECU, UCF and Memphis fans, the best way to get in is to show you guys have good programs in FB and BB.  In other words, just win and draw fans.

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You just made me throwup on my keyboard. The idea of UConn, with no major college football tradition whatsoever being a "BCS" school is nauseating enough, but your condescending advice is too much.

Shouldn't you be over on the CUSA crowing about your "new 12 team geographical sensible all sports conference" or something to that effect.

Good call Jim. "Geographically Sensible" is GA's tagline...because nothing says geographically sensible like a conference that stretches from West Virginia to the New Mexico border.

Gray Avenger, you are still in CDOA! Gray Avenger :wave: :wave: :wave:

Murph1 Wrote:

Gray Avenger Wrote:

SF Husky Wrote:For ECU, UCF and Memphis fans, the best way to get in is to show you guys have good programs in FB and BB.  In other words, just win and draw fans.

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You just made me throwup on my keyboard. The idea of UConn, with no major college football tradition whatsoever being a "BCS" school is nauseating enough, but your condescending advice is too much.

Hi Gray Avenger. UConn fan here. :wave: The fact that it makes you miserable makes it all worth while. :laugh:

Go UConn!

No kidding. UCONN is in cause UCONN is one of the best run athletic depts in the country. Look at UCONN's budget, it is on par with top teams in the country. Is there any doubt UCONN will be a big player in the BCS someday? I think it will be just a matter of time.

Lets not discuss people who are ALREADY in the BE, I was talking about all the OTHER teams that wish to be in the BE right now.

Win baby, just win!

The Knight Time Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

knight_01 Wrote:

CardinalJim Wrote:

ecu92 Wrote:We changed our mind. We don't want in the Big East anymore. We decided, that just in case we don't finish in the top 2 of the league, we'd like to have access to a 2nd-tier bowl game. It doesn't appear that you guys will have that much longer. So, thanks but no thanks.

You have to love ECU Pirate thinking.....We don't want to join a BCS conference and compete for a National Title like UofL, UC and USF choose to do because we know we won't be able to go to a BCS Bowl game and there won't be a 2nd tier bowl game available to our 6-6 or 7-5 club. Pirate I hate to break the news to ya but there's not a "2nd Tier" bowl game as you call it available to you now in CUSA. Lets review quickly......BCS Bowls Top Tier...Sugar, Fiesta, Rose and Orange. 2nd Tier games...Gator, Outback, Cotton and any other New Years Day Bowl...CUSA's top prize is the Liberty Bowl. Now the Liberty is a great bowl and our future conference brothers in Memphis do a fantastic job hosting it but at best the Liberty Bowl is Tier 3 as are all bowls that play on New Years Eve. Let me simplify this for you...New Years Eve Bowls...Good, New Year Day Bowls Better and Bowls that happen after New Years Day....Best.
BTW I would not worry to much about this anyway. You folks at ECU aren't going to get a Big East invite anyway.
CJ

The next time a BE team wins a NC, you'll get my attention. Until then, you're over hyped and the only reason you get a seat at the table is number of TV sets in your states.

What do you think the chances are of a CUSA team winning a national championship? I think zero would be the right word to describe it.

At least the BE has a chance to get there. As has been stated we have a seat at the table. Why dont you go back to your 9th rated conference board if you cant respect our board?

Funny considering a team that "doesn't have a seat at the table" just demolished your "breadwinner" in last year's Fiesta Bowl.

It just doesnt seem right for a fan of a UCF team that has been demolished in its last 17 games to criticize anyone for losing a bowl game, no matter how bad they lost. You should wish that your team could only accomplish a fraction of what Pitt accomplished last year.

You should win a game before you try to smack somebody, otherwise your just a laughingstock. Noone on this board is going to take you seriously. I mean you guys lost to Buffalo :laugh: :laugh:
Your team went winless in the lowly MAC. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Please stop it. :laugh: :laugh:

The MAC was lowly because of UCF. Not anymore.

Quote:. Its flagship state university's athletics and academics are tied to Northeastern institutions such as Rutgers, Syracuse, and Pitt because of Big East membership and also longtime athletic partnerships/rivalries with Rutgers, Temple, Pitt, and PSU. So West Virginia is basically a Northeastern state

-- While it is true that WVU has always played Pitt, PSU and Syracuse in football...WVU officially joined the eastern Indys out of desperation....WVU was in the southern conference from the early 1950s to the late 60s...playing schools like Virginia Tech, VMI, Richmond and Davidson and all the while trying desperatly to join the ACC....when it became clear that an ACC invite was not forthcoming and the quality of the Southern conference was going downhill...WVU became in independent and started to schedule reguarly the other Eastern Indys like Rutgers, Boston College and Temple

-- WVU...much like the state itself is a true north/south hybrid

-- Schools from WV do not qualify for the Lambert Trophy (given to the best team in the east) unless they play at least half there games against "eastern opponets"...so even today WVU is not considered to be in the East by some


Jackson

ecu92 Wrote:We changed our mind. We don't want in the Big East anymore. We decided, that just in case we don't finish in the top 2 of the league, we'd like to have access to a 2nd-tier bowl game. It doesn't appear that you guys will have that much longer. So, thanks but no thanks.

Lets see, a Top 2 finish and a chance at a national championship, or a chance to stay in a conference where the 4th or 5th place spot gets you into New Orleans or Hawaii and the top spot doesn't guarantee a BCS bowl. Wow. No thank yous are necessary since you weren't invited to begin with.

The Knight Time Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

knight_01 Wrote:

CardinalJim Wrote:

ecu92 Wrote:We changed our mind. We don't want in the Big East anymore. We decided, that just in case we don't finish in the top 2 of the league, we'd like to have access to a 2nd-tier bowl game. It doesn't appear that you guys will have that much longer. So, thanks but no thanks.

You have to love ECU Pirate thinking.....We don't want to join a BCS conference and compete for a National Title like UofL, UC and USF choose to do because we know we won't be able to go to a BCS Bowl game and there won't be a 2nd tier bowl game available to our 6-6 or 7-5 club. Pirate I hate to break the news to ya but there's not a "2nd Tier" bowl game as you call it available to you now in CUSA. Lets review quickly......BCS Bowls Top Tier...Sugar, Fiesta, Rose and Orange. 2nd Tier games...Gator, Outback, Cotton and any other New Years Day Bowl...CUSA's top prize is the Liberty Bowl. Now the Liberty is a great bowl and our future conference brothers in Memphis do a fantastic job hosting it but at best the Liberty Bowl is Tier 3 as are all bowls that play on New Years Eve. Let me simplify this for you...New Years Eve Bowls...Good, New Year Day Bowls Better and Bowls that happen after New Years Day....Best.
BTW I would not worry to much about this anyway. You folks at ECU aren't going to get a Big East invite anyway.
CJ

The next time a BE team wins a NC, you'll get my attention. Until then, you're over hyped and the only reason you get a seat at the table is number of TV sets in your states.

What do you think the chances are of a CUSA team winning a national championship? I think zero would be the right word to describe it.

At least the BE has a chance to get there. As has been stated we have a seat at the table. Why dont you go back to your 9th rated conference board if you cant respect our board?

Funny considering a team that "doesn't have a seat at the table" just demolished your "breadwinner" in last year's Fiesta Bowl.

I wouldn't consider Pittsburgh the "bedwinner" of the Big East.

BeatWestern Wrote:The MAC was lowly because of UCF. Not anymore.

:laugh:

Jackson1011 Wrote:-- Schools from WV do not qualify for the Lambert Trophy (given to the best team in the east) unless they play at least half there games against "eastern opponets"...so even today WVU is not considered to be in the East by some

True but only Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, and the District are traditionally even eligible under those standards. Although Miami won it for a few years. Let's see Cincinnati and South Florida both play Pitt, Rutgers, PSU, Syracuse, and Connecticut for 5 out of its 11 game schedule so they aren't eligible. Louisville and West Virginia play Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse, and Connecticut for 4 out of 11 games so they aren't eligible either. Pitt, Rutgers, Cuse, and UConn are all eligible by default. However, the way the criterion is worded it seems that playing WVU may count for Cincy and USF giving them eligibility.

BeatWestern Wrote:The MAC was lowly because of UCF. Not anymore.

A very good and valid point.

All you guys have to do is have a team from your conference win a national championship. If you get two teams to finish in the top 15 next year, I will also give you props. It could happen for you guys in a few years if everything falls right. As for UCF, we'll just have to win a game to shut you up I guess. The best time to start will be USC on Natl TV, but I think the likely time to start winning for UCF will be at RayJay stadium against the steers, oops aren't they in the BE?

knight_01 Wrote:All you guys have to do is have a team from your conference win a national championship. If you get two teams to finish in the top 15 next year, I will also give you props. It could happen for you guys in a few years if everything falls right. As for UCF, we'll just have to win a game to shut you up I guess. The best time to start will be USC on Natl TV, but I think the likely time to start winning for UCF will be at RayJay stadium against the steers, oops aren't they in the BE?

Dreamoooonnn. USF is going to bullrush the Knights.

UCF hired a lemon in O'Leary.

The MAC wasn't that strong last year; no way you should have went 0-11; something is wrong.

The Notre Dame fiasco has done something to him; he has lost his touch.

Enjoy your many more losing seasons before you realize this. :laugh:

Why isn't this lineup touted more as a possibility?

NORTH
Syracuse/Pittsburgh
UCONN/Rutgers
Cincinatti/West Virginia

SOUTH
Louisville/Memphis
UAB/Southern Miss
East Carolina/South Florida


That would blow away the competition for future auto-bids to the BCS from the MWC.

That is also a very salty basketball league that would rival if not surpass the current Big East lineup in basketball.

That would also put the Big East more on the baseball map.

If you look at a map closely, that is also very doable from a travel standpoint.

It would have almost the identical size geographic footprint as the PAC-10.

CAJUNNATION Wrote:Why isn't this lineup touted more as a possibility?

NORTH
Syracuse/Pittsburgh
UCONN/Rutgers
Cincinatti/West Virginia

SOUTH
Louisville/Memphis
UAB/Southern Miss
East Carolina/South Florida


That would blow away the competition for future auto-bids to the BCS from the MWC.

That is also a very salty basketball league that would rival if not surpass the current Big East lineup in basketball.

That would also put the Big East more on the baseball map.

If you look at a map closely, that is also very doable from a travel standpoint.

It would have almost the identical size geographic footprint as the PAC-10.

No league with both UAB and ECU as members will earn or keep an automatic BCS bid. That is simply too much dead weight for the other hard working members to over come. I say we add Memphis and move on. I've said that since Day One and continue to believe that is the Big East's best option. Who said 12 was the magic number anyway...Roy Kramer? I'm sorry but I hope the leadership of the Big East is smart enough to stay away from any idea Roy Kramer had or might have.
CJ

Some people are of the opinion that ECU would enable the Big East to pi$$ in the ACC's back yard so to speak.

Whatever happens, I firmly believe that the Big East should really look out for its western flank. Leaving ECU/Marshall/Memphis/Southern Miss intact is leaving too much material for a revamped CUSA/MAC merger that could rival the MWC and eventually even the Big East.