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As Shannon Panther points out the academic rankings can always be questioned from one perspective or another. Your school can either be helped or hurt by these nuances. For example, UD (Delaware) is ranked #66 in thie year's US News ranking of all national universities with only about 20 public universities ranked higher, but UD is hurt by the fact that it has only one campus. Unlike Rutgers or Penn State who can farm out their in-state, lower SAT students to satellite campuses and not count those students towards their average SAT score, UD does not have this luxury. Depending on the ranking scheme you look at, UD is either higher or a bit lower than its main competition in the region academically amongst public schools (Penn State and Rutgers), but would be considerably higher ranked were it configured similarly to those schools with their "off-site" campuses. In other words, these rankings have positives and negatives for almost any institution. UD shows well in all ranking services/schemes, and also happens to have one of the top 15 endowments of all public universities in the US... (Had to throw that one in)... 03-wink Either way, UD alumns like me who would like to see UD go to I-A are not going to convince UD's administration any time soon unfortunately.
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Quote:As for why I beleive it would be good for some is that Pittsburgh and Rutgers are already top research institutions and Syracuse is on its way (being mostly social science research before which gets absolutely no respect, more effort is being made in the engineering and computer science fields - particularly aerospace engineering and security in computer information).

Alliances with St. John's and Georgetown are not necessarily going to enhance them in these areas the way a connection with GT who is in the Top 5 in the fields I mentioned. Even the closer (in terms of geography) Maryland and VT rate high (Top 20) in one or more of these areas.

And it could benefit some ACC schools as well. Maryland due to its location is into quite a few of the Public Policy/Affairs graduate programs so a consortium which includes an SU (and a Georgetown if it were expanded to all BE schools) would benefit

-- As a fan...I would be very suscpicous about the idea of a few BE schools (but not all) being allowed to join the ACC academic alliance.....I would be especially suspicous if one of those schools was Syracuse given the events of the last few yrs...remember VT had its own academic deal with the ACC too


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I do not think the ACC will expand past 12 teams. I would be weary about the Big 10 raiding the BE for a team.
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UDFan Wrote:As Shannon Panther points out the academic rankings can always be questioned from one perspective or another. Your school can either be helped or hurt by these nuances. For example, UD (Delaware) is ranked #66 in thie year's US News ranking of all national universities with only about 20 public universities ranked higher, but UD is hurt by the fact that it has only one campus. Unlike Rutgers or Penn State who can farm out their in-state, lower SAT students to satellite campuses and not count those students towards their average SAT score, UD does not have this luxury. Depending on the ranking scheme you look at, UD is either higher or a bit lower than its main competition in the region academically amongst public schools (Penn State and Rutgers), but would be considerably higher ranked were it configured similarly to those schools with their "off-site" campuses. In other words, these rankings have positives and negatives for almost any institution. UD shows well in all ranking services/schemes, and also happens to have one of the top 15 endowments of all public universities in the US... (Had to throw that one in)... 03-wink Either way, UD alumns like me who would like to see UD go to I-A are not going to convince UD's administration any time soon unfortunately.
Yes but just how much research gets done at UDel? How much federal and corporate grant money goes into UDel? Also how many Fortune 500 Executives has UDel put out? Penn State and Rutgers I'm sure have you beat, and surely if you have data that says otherwise I'd love to see it and would accept being wrong. That being said A) UDel is an excellent school and have had friends attend/currently attending the school and B) The US News and World Report is a crock.
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If the ACC is that dumb to go to 14 or even 16, its their own funeral.
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Brista21: Research is one criterion for measuring a university of course. UD is a land grant, sea grant, space grant and urban grant university from a federal perspective so of course a lot of research goes on there. It is a leading research institution in several areas especially in composite materials and chemical engineering amongst others. As far as how many executives the university has put out, I'm not sure, but then again considering that many of the most sucessful business executives in the US never graduated from college (start with Bill Gates and keep counting), I'm not sure what that statistic would tell us. A better measure of a great university would probably be how many great professors studied at the institution as undergraduates, but that is a different question as well. UD is very rich, highly ranked academically and climbing each year and is doing very well from all measures I see. Gotta love that as an alumnus.
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UDFan Wrote:Brista21: Research is one criterion for measuring a university of course. UD is a land grant, sea grant, space grant and urban grant university from a federal perspective so of course a lot of research goes on there. It is a leading research institution in several areas especially in composite materials and chemical engineering amongst others. As far as how many executives the university has put out, I'm not sure, but then again considering that many of the most sucessful business executives in the US never graduated from college (start with Bill Gates and keep counting), I'm not sure what that statistic would tell us. A better measure of a great university would probably be how many great professors studied at the institution as undergraduates, but that is a different question as well. UD is very rich, highly ranked academically and climbing each year and is doing very well from all measures I see. Gotta love that as an alumnus.
I only wish Rutgers had you financial situation. NJ can be really stupid sometimes about funding higher-ed. Plus some of our presidents haven't been the greatest. Bloustein was very good but alas died prematurely. McCormick is showing that he has very big ambitions and is finding ways to get things done.
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