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omnicarrier Wrote:Now, back to USF.  Your attendance in 1-AA was spectacular, especially that first year with 33K plus.  However, there has been no increase when comparing your 4 years in 1-AA versus your four years in 1-A.  I cut the Bulls some slack here because of the weeknight games and early Saturday games, but still - considering your track record for success and your attendance in 1-AA, even you would have to admit your attendance in 1-A has been a disappointment.
yeah i was disappointed with the attendance last year, we def. took a step backwards, you could blame it on a lot of things (hurricanes, lame duck c-usa season, midweek games, 11am start times, poor record) but the bottom line it needs to be improved.

i'm sure pitt and cinci fans will agree it's also tough competing with an nfl team in the city, a lot of people will opt to watch the usf game on tv rather than go to two football games during the weekend. but looking at our home schedule this year it looks very promising: famu should be a sellout or close to it (very strong travelling fan base), ucf ("supposedly" will travel 15,000), louisville (first big east conference game), west virginia (homecoming), and cinci. plus miami is supposed to come to tampa next year as part of a 1 for 1, so, unless they back out, expect that to be a hugely attended game.

easiest way to increase attendance is to win, especially in tampa, we're notorious for being band wagon fans (see bucs, lightning)
05-02-2005 11:33 PM
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I agree that we gotta improve the attendance. Also agree that we need to prove something before acting like "big dogs" in the league.
I do feel that we were the best option for the 8th team at the time though. If it were today...I'm sure Memphis would get consideration. But at the time, USF was doing well in football for 4-5 years, while Memphis was finally turning the corner. Add in that RC Johnson was giving Louisville and Cincinnati a hard time....and Memphis wasn't getting in over USF.
I agree with everyone here that if Memphis gives RC Johnson the boot and improves academics a bit....their odds of getting in drastically improve.
05-03-2005 12:19 AM
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CyberBull Wrote:Wait a minute.....what did Memphis do for the last 30 years in football prior to the last two seasons to be more deserving than USF? Does one bad year wipe out our all time 2-2 mark against Memphis? Does two good years make Memphis a jaugernaut?
Yeah, okay. Let's pick a perennial loser that finally strung together 2 good seasons. They paid their dues, because it took them 28 years to go bowling. Get real. Coaches come and coaches go.

This expansion was not personal, and was not about any program's recent success; it was all about market and recruiting grounds. South Florida simply offered the best available.
05-03-2005 12:49 AM
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What a great thread. You Bulls fans kill me.

Has anyone ever shown any proof that our tool of an AD gave "anyone"
a hard time.? Seriously? The man is a senior citizen looking to retire.
The AD excuse is getting really tired. And now Calipari is part of the reason
the BE chose the worse team in CUSA to invite as well?

One other thing, it "ain't" about market size or recruiting. Memphis is one of the
best recruiting areas in the south. Just ask the SEC. And if you have a slightly
larger TV market, what good does it do if no one wants to watch you? Besides
our basketball is marketed nationally. We played on ESPN more times this year
than you have in your entire history. Yep , nearly every single game we played
was on ESPN this year.

No one has forgot that your athletic offices were in trailers when the BE call came either.

Evidently we didn't pi$$ Cincy off too bad since they just signed a 6 year deal
to play us.


You Bulls should just accept it that you were extremely lucky. You haven't
paid your dues and you only make that BCS shot you have look like more of a joke by
trying to rip on other teams.( USF are the biggest fans of the term CDOA) Especially a team
that has owned you. :rolleyes:


The fact that you're trying to debate the merits of both schools, 2 years after the fact,
should tell you something.
05-03-2005 02:22 PM
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err okay, speaking for myself i never ripped your team and i even said i was thankful that cusa put us in the position that we are in today so i'm not sure where you are going thinking bulls fans in this thread are superior, we admit we're a work in progress but in our brief history we've done a lot of good things as well. the commissioner and the big east ad's believed in our program and we still have a lot of work to do but the potential is there.

as for your ad, usf has a couple of reasons for not liking him, the main one being that he along with s. miss and ecu blocked us from joining cusa in football in 2001 (despite the fact that we were earlier promised a berth and we were a founding member) effectively killing two bowl berths for our program. the many deragotory comments by your ad that followed and after we left for the big east also helped fuel our dislike for your ad.

and for the record we're 2-1 against you in football. lucky or not the fact is we're in the conference and we're grateful for being here. we haven't even played a big east game yet and there's been a huge increase in recruiting, renovation plans, athletic budget, exposure, and fan interest.
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1. The Big East made a busines decision based on football. The decision was made before the 2003 season. At that time, South Florida was probably a better football program. Today, Memphis is a better football program. Three years from now, South Florida might be better again.

2. Basketball didn't really factor into the equation at all because the Big East was already loaded in basketball. If basketball were important in the decision, Memphis would have had a huge advantage over USF.

3. The decision was purely based on business. Plus, the perception of RC Johnson and the power that he yields in C-USA is totally off base. I can guarantee you that personal feelings toward Johnson had nothing to do with the decision.

4. Memphis is in the process of building a football program. Look at Louisville's history until Schnellenberger came there. It was worse than Memphis' football history. We think that Tommy West is our Schnellenberger is that he is taking our program up a couple of notches and that it will only get even better after he leaves. I'm sure that the South Florida fans feel the same way about their program. Only time will tell what happens.

5. I don't blame the Big East for selecting South Florida in the fall of 2003, but I still think they may have made a mistake. Only time will tell.
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One note, all that I've heard about RC Johnson has come from within the UofL AD.
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Quote:One other thing, it "ain't" about market size or recruiting. Memphis is one of the
best recruiting areas in the south. Just ask the SEC. And if you have a slightly
larger TV market

-- I have a hard time believing that there are more players in west Tennesse then in northern Florida...but even if that were true Flordia is an area that BE schools have connections to...probably the only two BE schools with players from Tennessee are Louisville and West Virginia while every BE school has Floridia players...see the difference?

Quote:One note, all that I've heard about RC Johnson has come from within the UofL AD.

--L-Yes...do you think Memphis will reviece more BABE consideration from the BE football schools if RC Johnson is gone?


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USFMike Wrote:exactly we're the johnny come lately and memphis despite being bowl elgible once in 30 or so years is the established program. also if you look at our very brief track record, besides last year, we've had success in every level that we've played at, something that i'm sure temple and rutgers couldn't claim.
Although to be honest I wouldn't know about Temple. Rutgers particularly in the 60s and 70s had some highly successful teams including an undefeated team in 1976 that turned down an Independence Bowl invite because back then that was considered the lowest of the low bowls. They finished in the Top 15 that year. In 1978, Rutgers went to its only bowl game and just its second bowl invite. Rutgers was actually a middle-of the pack team until the mid 90s, even playing the pretty hard schedules in the 80s when teams like Alabama played us in addition to the Eastern Independents like Pitt, WVU, Syracuse, Penn State, Boston College, etc. Rutgers has had some success just that big success hasn't happened since the late 70s.
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thanks for the info, the big east is counting on both of us to step it up, since we're both stuck in prime football recruiting territory. rutgers just needs that one break through year to add some legitimacy to their program. usf also has their work cut out for them next year to prove that last year was aberration and not a trend. things are in place for both programs, but we both need to bounce back from disappointing years. i imagine schiano is prob running out of chances down in jersey.

btw, the rutger's spring game is going to be on in tampa tonight, looking forward to checking it out, especially interested in seeing leonard play for the first time, i heard he was an alstott clone.
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