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Jackson1011 Wrote:
Quote:-- playing Army (regardless of there win /loss record) is going to be a big draw for any Eastern team...I could live with Rutgers doing that if the other non confernence games where of high quality....but I would forget the Princeton game...playing IAAs is always a bad idea unless there are no other alternatives.
Unfortunately, with the new rule that now allows one 1-AA win each year to go toward bowl eligibility, I would imagine playing a 1-AA and getting a guarenteed home game and gate is going to become even more prevailent now.
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I agree, Jackson. Villanova moving up to 1-A is my first choice for Big East expansion but there would be a lot of work to do to get to that point. Still, they have a great market, a historically competitive 1-AA program, and well-established Big East roots. After all the hard feelings from the last round of expansions and defections, I'd much rather see us go that route, although Temple also could still work with a change of heart in the leadership there.
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PSU is the missing piece for the New BE!
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Quote: I'd much rather see us go that route, although Temple also could still work with a change of heart in the leadership there.

-- The problem with Temple is that they never tried to be good in football....the school never made a financial commitment that was needed to compete....there AD would have to make a lot of promises about where there football program is going before they would even be considered again

Quote:PSU is the missing piece for the New BE!

-- Agree Wilkie...but probably won't be able to convince anyone in Happy Valley of that untill Joe Pa is gone....the old man knows how to hold a grudge and I bet he still has some hard feelings toward Syracuse and we all know he still has problems with Pitt...and frankly the BE didn't do themeselves any favors in this regard by booting old Penn St ally Temple out of the league

-- right now I think we would all be happy for just a solid football school in Philly that could draw 35,000 per on a saturday afternoon...there is enough football talent in eastern Pa and NJ to make it work...we just need one of the schools to make the commitment...which of course is easier said then done

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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:
Maize Wrote:They were the ones that started of the this conference realignment and BCS confusion.  They were the ones that wanted to kill the Big East and make a money grab.  I guess it did not work, the Big East is still at the table and in pretty good position.

All they got in return was a TV contract that was lower then Swofford promised them as well as a Conference Title Game that did not meet what they expected in the market.

We now have more BCS games, the Big East still has two Top 20 schools and we are still over the largest TV market in the country.  It is up to the Big East leadership to take advantage of what we have and be proactive.
The ACC wanted Miami and decided they wanted Miami bad enough to handle Miami's carry on baggage. The idea was to solidfy the ACC as among the finest in college football. Ironically, the year before Miami/VT moved in, the ACC was #1 in the Sagarin rankings.

The ACC was looking out for #1 (itself) and after Miami. Please put away the John Swofford out to get you conspiracy theories. Any reasonable person would agree that isn't true.

The ACC got what it wanted. It picked up Miami, and increased the pie slice for each school. The ACC already had the highest payout in the land at nearly 10.5 million each ... after expansion those slices are nearly 12.5 million each (IIRC).
Since when is the acc payout $12 milion per school. The acc did not have the highest payout before the raid, and it certainly is not paying out $12 million per school now. Show the link that says the acc is paying out 12 million per school.
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The ACC got Miami.

I hate them, but taking Miami was a huge boost to the ACC.
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BullsFanatic Wrote:But you also lost significant rivalries that used to take place every year. The ACC would have been just fine at 10 IMO, and could have accomplished all of its goals by staying at 10.
Miami's DEMAND to bring along its two cousins and the VA state gov't ruined that nice plan we all dreamt of.
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cuseroc Wrote:
georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:
Maize Wrote:They were the ones that started of the this conference realignment and BCS confusion.  They were the ones that wanted to kill the Big East and make a money grab.  I guess it did not work, the Big East is still at the table and in pretty good position.

All they got in return was a TV contract that was lower then Swofford promised them as well as a Conference Title Game that did not meet what they expected in the market.

We now have more BCS games, the Big East still has two Top 20 schools and we are still over the largest TV market in the country.  It is up to the Big East leadership to take advantage of what we have and be proactive.
The ACC wanted Miami and decided they wanted Miami bad enough to handle Miami's carry on baggage. The idea was to solidfy the ACC as among the finest in college football. Ironically, the year before Miami/VT moved in, the ACC was #1 in the Sagarin rankings.

The ACC was looking out for #1 (itself) and after Miami. Please put away the John Swofford out to get you conspiracy theories. Any reasonable person would agree that isn't true.

The ACC got what it wanted. It picked up Miami, and increased the pie slice for each school. The ACC already had the highest payout in the land at nearly 10.5 million each ... after expansion those slices are nearly 12.5 million each (IIRC).
Since when is the acc payout $12 milion per school. The acc did not have the highest payout before the raid, and it certainly is not paying out $12 million per school now. Show the link that says the acc is paying out 12 million per school.
I was pretty darn close off memory.

Here's an article pre-raid showing how the ACC payout per school was 9.7 million -- the highest in the land.
<a href='http://www.sportingnews.com/cfootball/articles/20030516/473939.html' target='_blank'>http://www.sportingnews.com/cfootball/arti...516/473939.html</a>

Quote:The ACC's latest payout to its nine teams was a record $9.7 million each -- the most by any conference.


<a href='http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/martzke/2004-02-10-martzke_x.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/m...0-martzke_x.htm</a>

The ACC's current TV contracts bring in nearly $40 mil / yr ... up from $21 mil / yr .... So let's whip out the abicus...

(40-21)/12 = 1.583333

1.58 + 9.7 = 11.2

And that's just the TV aspect. Then there's the money off ticket sales in the champ. game ... and the many new corporate sponsorships such as Dr. Pepper. ... it'll be right at 12 to 12.5
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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:The ACC's current TV contracts bring in nearly $40 mil / yr ... up from $21 mil / yr .... So let's whip out the abicus...

(40-21)/12 = 1.583333

1.58 + 9.7 = 11.2

And that's just the TV aspect. Then there's the money off ticket sales in the champ. game ... and the many new corporate sponsorships such as Dr. Pepper. ... it'll be right at 12 to 12.5
Wait a sec, ACC used to get $9.7M from 9 teams, how do you manage to keep the $9.7M now that there are 12 teams? Not sure I understand your math.
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SF Husky Wrote:
georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:The ACC's current TV contracts bring in nearly $40 mil / yr ... up from $21 mil / yr ....&nbsp; So let's whip out the abicus...

(40-21)/12 = 1.583333

1.58 + 9.7 = 11.2

And that's just the TV aspect.&nbsp; Then there's the money off ticket sales in the champ. game ... and the many new corporate sponsorships such as Dr. Pepper. ...&nbsp; it'll be right at 12 to 12.5
Wait a sec, ACC used to get $9.7M from 9 teams, how do you manage to keep the $9.7M now that there are 12 teams? Not sure I understand your math.
Going with a cet. par. ... i.e. -- the new teams go to bowls etc and return the avg of the current members. In reality, of course, VT and Miami will be bowl bound more often than Wake etc. Also, there are more bowl affiliations and such.
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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:Going with a cet. par. ... i.e. -- the new teams go to bowls etc and return the avg of the current members. In reality, of course, VT and Miami will be bowl bound more often than Wake etc. Also, there are more bowl affiliations and such.
Someone did a analysis on the ACC's new TV deal etc, it looked like each team gained maybe $500K per year or about the same what they were getting. Financially, I dont think it is even close to what Swofford promised.

Regardless, they lose their round robin basketball tradition.

As for the BE, it will get a chance to grow and I am pretty sure the TV contract will improve once couple of teams improve on the field too. When the split happens, BE will be in good shape after they get a 9th member.
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ACC went after NE TV markets, fliping out VT for Syc, not sure ACC acomplished it's goal. In couple yrs after every thing shakes out, ACC still might be looking. I'm sure B-10 noticed and has models on what 1 or 3 B-E schools would do for there TV package. Also doupt SEC is going to sit idlely buy why this takes place. there 4 schools other BCS conf intrested in, WV, Rutgers, Conn, Syc & B-10 case ND.
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templefootballfan Wrote:ACC went after NE TV markets, fliping out VT for Syc, not sure ACC acomplished it's goal. In couple yrs after every thing shakes out, ACC still might be looking. I'm sure B-10 noticed and has models on what 1 or 3 B-E schools would do for there TV package. Also doupt SEC is going to sit idlely buy why this takes place. there 4 schools other BCS conf intrested in, WV, Rutgers, Conn, Syc & B-10 case ND.
Who's interested in Temple?
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The ACC gained Miami.
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HiddenDragon Wrote:The ACC gained Miami.
And the Big East gained Louisville. And a bigger market. And kept their BCS bid. And a stronger basketball conference so I guess it all worked out huh?
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The ACC did gain Miami but they did not gain in more money for each individual school. The ACC lost whatever credibility they had in their backhand raid of the Big East. They also gave up being the best basketball conference in the country. That now belongs to the Big East which has become the biggest and deepest basketball league of all time.
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Maize Wrote:The ACC did gain Miami but they did not gain in more money for each individual school. The ACC lost whatever credibility they had in their backhand raid of the Big East. They also gave up being the best basketball conference in the country. That now belongs to the Big East which has become the biggest and deepest basketball league of all time.
I always felt that if the ACC had only taken Miami, they could've still had a round robin in both football and hoops, something Duke and UNC wanted all along.

The combo of VT and Louisville in the same conference certainly would have made the BE's BCS staus less tenuous.
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They gained Miami Basketball :laugh: , Virginia Tech Basketball :laugh: , and BC Basketball and Football....LMAO :laugh: Swafford and Company screwed the pooch on this one. As a Louisville fan I am thankful they did 04-bow
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The Mac is going after Temple more like Temple going after the MAC. MAC wants hoops too. Temple wants only football. If Temple joins, expect a huge exit fee put into the contract. Marshall and UCF bailed on the MAC for C-USa.

ACC got BC, MIAMI, and VA Tech. BE got UC, Louisville, and USF. Its not even close. ACC got three power teams. BE got three teams that are borderline BCS material. With Rutgers, UConn and a struggling Syracuse program, The BE is far weaker than before.
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The ACC wanted BC, Syracuse and Miami, they wanted NO PART of VPI because VPI would not help their TV contract per school.

What the ACC got was a school it did not want, a school that is a fish out of water and Miami. They also hurt their much valued Basketball Conference. UNC and Duke fought tooth and nail for no expansion beyond 10.

What the Big East got was the best basketball conference in the country. What they lost in football power by losing Miami and VPI they gain in basketball in Louisville and Cincinnati and they lucked out in gaining a football team that went 11-1 with most of their starters coming back and they still kept their BCS bid for the foreseable future.
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