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What I think should be done is do the pods with 9 games. 2 games from each pod. Divide the pods in half and you play a set of schools. I've broken out the sets below. This keeps you from playing both FL schools one year and then none the next or both NC private schools etc. I don't know how you choose the winners though, that would need to be worked out.

Pods:
North
Syracuse
Rutgers

Notre Dame
BC

Mid Atlantic
Pittsburgh
Virginia

Maryland
Virginia Tech

NC Pod
Wake Forest
NC State

Duke
UNC

South
Clemson
FSU

Georgia Tech
Miami

EDIT: Alternately I can see you taking the pods and dividing them as pairs of teams such as FSU and Miami then Clemson and GT and you play 1 of each pair. So you can have FSU or Miami and Clemson or GT but never have FSU and Miami the same year.

Example schedule for VT:
Year 1:
Within Pod- Pitt away/UVA home/UMD away
South- FSU home/Clemson Away
NC- Wake home/NCSU Away
North-Cuse away/ND home
Year 2:
Within Pod- Pitt home/UVA away/UMD home
South-Miami away/Clemson Home
NC-Duke Away/NCSU home
North- BC home/ND away
Year 3:
Within Pod- Pitt away/UVA home/UMD away
South-Miami home/GT away
NC-Duke home/UNC away
North- BC away/ Rutgers home
Year 4:
Within Pod- Pitt home/UVA away/UMD home
South-FSU away/GT home
NC-Wake away/UNC home
North- Cuse home/Rutgers away
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While I hope there is something to this, I won't hold my breathe. Notre Dame likes to flirt, but she never puts out. And I'm not sure I'm buying this sudden anti-UConn bias from the ACC (per said Seth Davis).
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(11-22-2011 12:44 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  ND/Clemson (Lord, just wait until Clemson fans show up in South Bend. Life will never be the same...)

Been there, done that. 11/17/1979. Walked out of South Bend with a 16-10 win in Danny Ford's first year as HC.

Should have played ND in the '89 Kickoff Classic in the Meadowlands but Notre Dame only agreed to play an ACC team as long as it wasn't Clemson. Don't really blame them....I would rather have faced UVA than Danny Ford's '89 team (the one what made the mother of Major Harris talk about how they were abusing her baby during the Gator Bowl) too.
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(11-22-2011 01:03 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  Also, with ND and Rutgers, the ACC would have 7 D1 lax teams

6 D1 Lax teams...and Rutgers... (Sorry, couldn't help myself, somebody had to 03-nutkick Rutgers)
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(11-22-2011 05:27 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  
(11-22-2011 05:09 PM)omniorange Wrote:  If the Irish do eventually join, which is still a HUGE IF, I'm not sure it will be Rutgers. I think UConn may have the inside track over Rutgers for #16.

Cheers,
Neil

Seth Davis says...

"Too early to tell with whom. Don't think the ACC wants UConn. ACC and ND are a good academic and cultural fit."

04-cheers

It don't matter much to me either way but...

ACC wants athletic departments that are good top-to-bottom, as apparently does ND since ND's rumored stance was that as long as the Big East retained both Louisville and Connecticut it would remain with Big East.

Let's face it, the best overall athletic programs currently in the Big East in terms of Big East sports, in order, are 1) Notre Dame, 2a) UConn, 2b) Louisville, 4) Syracuse, 5) Georgetown, 6) Villanova and 7) West Virginia

Pittsburgh and Rutgers are at the bottom.

Cheers,
Neil
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(11-22-2011 06:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  Thinking outside the box.....
The SEC goes to 16 with Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Well I know that's really 17, so someone has to go. The SEC then invites South Carolina or Vanderbilt to leave.
I'm thinking Notre Dame and Vanderbilt.

If the Texahoma schools leave the Big 12 as a group, it will be for the Pac, imho.

While I don't like to use the word never, I just don't see UT ever joining the SEC.

Cheers,
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(11-22-2011 12:15 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Yup -- right in line with my position. Not a matter of "if" but "when".

And, boy, it'll be exciting when that day happens, too.



Not for me, sorry....

It will feel like my Mom, Dad, brothers, sister, aunts, uncles, wife and kids all died the same day (my dog, too).

But, if it happens, it happens, I guess.
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(11-23-2011 07:59 AM)omniorange Wrote:  Let's face it, the best overall athletic programs currently in the Big East in terms of Big East sports, in order, are 1) Notre Dame, 2a) UConn, 2b) Louisville, 4) Syracuse, 5) Georgetown, 6) Villanova and 7) West Virginia

Pittsburgh and Rutgers are at the bottom.

Cheers,
Neil

Georgetown has FCS football, why do you rank it above the others?
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(11-23-2011 08:58 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(11-23-2011 07:59 AM)omniorange Wrote:  Let's face it, the best overall athletic programs currently in the Big East in terms of Big East sports, in order, are 1) Notre Dame, 2a) UConn, 2b) Louisville, 4) Syracuse, 5) Georgetown, 6) Villanova and 7) West Virginia

Pittsburgh and Rutgers are at the bottom.

Cheers,
Neil

Georgetown has FCS football, why do you rank it above the others?

You're losing the context of my posts - which is that both ND and the ACC care about overall athletic prowess in sports the conference they are in sponsor.

The Hoyas overall athletic program in a top-to-bottom type analysis is one of the better ones in the Big East (playing Big East sports) as is Nova's despite both only playing FCS football.

West Virginia would be at least equal, if not superior to them, except two of their better sports - rifle and wrestling - are not Big East sponsored sports.

Cheers,
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(11-23-2011 10:12 AM)omniorange Wrote:  
(11-23-2011 08:58 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(11-23-2011 07:59 AM)omniorange Wrote:  Let's face it, the best overall athletic programs currently in the Big East in terms of Big East sports, in order, are 1) Notre Dame, 2a) UConn, 2b) Louisville, 4) Syracuse, 5) Georgetown, 6) Villanova and 7) West Virginia

Pittsburgh and Rutgers are at the bottom.

Cheers,
Neil

Georgetown has FCS football, why do you rank it above the others?

You're losing the context of my posts - which is that both ND and the ACC care about overall athletic prowess in sports the conference they are in sponsor.

The Hoyas overall athletic program in a top-to-bottom type analysis is one of the better ones in the Big East (playing Big East sports) as is Nova's despite both only playing FCS football.

West Virginia would be at least equal, if not superior to them, except two of their better sports - rifle and wrestling - are not Big East sponsored sports.

Cheers,
Neil

Relative to the institution? Yes, your post stands.

Relative to each other? No. They're just not apples to apples comparisons. I may be missing your point but it seems to me that being the best in the minors is still inferior to being average in the majors.
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(11-23-2011 08:03 AM)omniorange Wrote:  
(11-22-2011 06:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  Thinking outside the box.....
The SEC goes to 16 with Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Well I know that's really 17, so someone has to go. The SEC then invites South Carolina or Vanderbilt to leave.
I'm thinking Notre Dame and Vanderbilt.

If the Texahoma schools leave the Big 12 as a group, it will be for the Pac, imho.

While I don't like to use the word never, I just don't see UT ever joining the SEC.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil,
I can think of $300 million reasons.
ESPN controls the broadcast rights for the SEC and the ACC "for a long time".
The SEC with Texas and Oklahoma & the ACC with Notre Dame and South Carolina would give ESPN all of the inventory the could ever want, which would give them leverage with the B1G when they went to renegotiate.
Whether you call it the Longhorn Network or a bribe, Texas has already been bought by ESPN. And it's in ESPN's interest to have Texas in the SEC as opposed to the PAC16.
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(11-23-2011 08:31 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-23-2011 08:03 AM)omniorange Wrote:  
(11-22-2011 06:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  Thinking outside the box.....
The SEC goes to 16 with Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Well I know that's really 17, so someone has to go. The SEC then invites South Carolina or Vanderbilt to leave.
I'm thinking Notre Dame and Vanderbilt.

If the Texahoma schools leave the Big 12 as a group, it will be for the Pac, imho.

While I don't like to use the word never, I just don't see UT ever joining the SEC.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil,
I can think of $300 million reasons.
ESPN controls the broadcast rights for the SEC and the ACC "for a long time".
The SEC with Texas and Oklahoma & the ACC with Notre Dame and South Carolina would give ESPN all of the inventory the could ever want, which would give them leverage with the B1G when they went to renegotiate.
Whether you call it the Longhorn Network or a bribe, Texas has already been bought by ESPN. And it's in ESPN's interest to have Texas in the SEC as opposed to the PAC16.

Not sure why you mention South Carolina (in this and other previous posts). I can think of at least 5 other institutions that the ACC would want that's within the ACC's 'footprint' instead of South Carolina.
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(11-22-2011 06:56 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  
(11-22-2011 06:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  Thinking outside the box.....
The SEC goes to 16 with Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Well I know that's really 17, so someone has to go. The SEC then invites South Carolina or Vanderbilt to leave.
I thinking Notre Dame and Vanderbilt.

You can't invite someone too leave. You can boot them, though. 03-wink
It's a southern thing.
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(11-24-2011 08:42 AM)Hoquista Wrote:  
(11-23-2011 08:31 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-23-2011 08:03 AM)omniorange Wrote:  
(11-22-2011 06:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  Thinking outside the box.....
The SEC goes to 16 with Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Well I know that's really 17, so someone has to go. The SEC then invites South Carolina or Vanderbilt to leave.
I'm thinking Notre Dame and Vanderbilt.

If the Texahoma schools leave the Big 12 as a group, it will be for the Pac, imho.

While I don't like to use the word never, I just don't see UT ever joining the SEC.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil,
I can think of $300 million reasons.
ESPN controls the broadcast rights for the SEC and the ACC "for a long time".
The SEC with Texas and Oklahoma & the ACC with Notre Dame and South Carolina would give ESPN all of the inventory the could ever want, which would give them leverage with the B1G when they went to renegotiate.
Whether you call it the Longhorn Network or a bribe, Texas has already been bought by ESPN. And it's in ESPN's interest to have Texas in the SEC as opposed to the PAC16.

Not sure why you mention South Carolina (in this and other previous posts). I can think of at least 5 other institutions that the ACC would want that's within the ACC's 'footprint' instead of South Carolina.

I would be interested to know which are the 5 (or the 3, because you can already discount Rutgers and UConn).
Let's see, expansion was for football; South Carolina has an 80,000 seat stadium and is located within a three hour drive of 6 ACC schools. Alson the chickens have no real rivals established in the SEC. (the gamecocks think of Georgia as their rival and Georgia thinks of Auburn and Florida as their rivals).
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(11-24-2011 09:32 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  It's a southern thing.

Seriously? Or, are you just f@cking with me? 03-lmfao

Oh, and great to have another ACC fan!

I'm looking forward to the Syracuse vs NC State basketball game coming up. 04-cheers
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(11-24-2011 09:42 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-24-2011 08:42 AM)Hoquista Wrote:  
(11-23-2011 08:31 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-23-2011 08:03 AM)omniorange Wrote:  
(11-22-2011 06:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  Thinking outside the box.....
The SEC goes to 16 with Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Well I know that's really 17, so someone has to go. The SEC then invites South Carolina or Vanderbilt to leave.
I'm thinking Notre Dame and Vanderbilt.

If the Texahoma schools leave the Big 12 as a group, it will be for the Pac, imho.

While I don't like to use the word never, I just don't see UT ever joining the SEC.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil,
I can think of $300 million reasons.
ESPN controls the broadcast rights for the SEC and the ACC "for a long time".
The SEC with Texas and Oklahoma & the ACC with Notre Dame and South Carolina would give ESPN all of the inventory the could ever want, which would give them leverage with the B1G when they went to renegotiate.
Whether you call it the Longhorn Network or a bribe, Texas has already been bought by ESPN. And it's in ESPN's interest to have Texas in the SEC as opposed to the PAC16.

Not sure why you mention South Carolina (in this and other previous posts). I can think of at least 5 other institutions that the ACC would want that's within the ACC's 'footprint' instead of South Carolina.

I would be interested to know which are the 5 (or the 3, because you can already discount Rutgers and UConn).
Let's see, expansion was for football; South Carolina has an 80,000 seat stadium and is located within a three hour drive of 6 ACC schools. Alson the chickens have no real rivals established in the SEC. (the gamecocks think of Georgia as their rival and Georgia thinks of Auburn and Florida as their rivals).

Ok then. PSU, UGa, and Florida. I'm *not* saying any one of those three would join but they are most certainly more coveted by the ACC than South Carolina.

Certainly South Carolina has a large and passionate fanbase (I know as I lived in update SC for almost 8 years). However, South Carolina wouldn't do very much for the ACC TV contracts. If ND is #1, they are certainly not going to want S. Carolina, they will want a 'northeastern' School.
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I think the ACC and SEC should join one day and have a 32 team conference playing 10 conference games and have a conference championship playoff.

The basketball tournament would rival the ncaa's too.

I could see expanding it to include the Pac and B1G too. They will have already merged into one 28+ team league by then. At that point it would create an 8 team playoff for the merged conf championship. Everyone would love to see that playoff. Keeps the NCAA from dipping their hands into the pie and then you continue onto bowls as usual.

Anyway, that'd be my ideal conference (or league?).
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I'm still in favor of the 8 game schedule with 14 or 16 teams. I mean i could roll with 9 game schedule with 16 teams but its not a must.
14 teams - 6 conf. games + 1 crossover rival + 1 random thats great
16 teams - 7 conf. games + 1 random/ or crossover rival

Play your 8 games and let the CCG sort out who is better
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(11-23-2011 10:12 AM)omniorange Wrote:  
(11-23-2011 08:58 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(11-23-2011 07:59 AM)omniorange Wrote:  Let's face it, the best overall athletic programs currently in the Big East in terms of Big East sports, in order, are 1) Notre Dame, 2a) UConn, 2b) Louisville, 4) Syracuse, 5) Georgetown, 6) Villanova and 7) West Virginia

Pittsburgh and Rutgers are at the bottom.

Cheers,
Neil

Georgetown has FCS football, why do you rank it above the others?

You're losing the context of my posts - which is that both ND and the ACC care about overall athletic prowess in sports the conference they are in sponsor.

The Hoyas overall athletic program in a top-to-bottom type analysis is one of the better ones in the Big East (playing Big East sports) as is Nova's despite both only playing FCS football.

West Virginia would be at least equal, if not superior to them, except two of their better sports - rifle and wrestling - are not Big East sponsored sports.

Cheers,
Neil

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(11-24-2011 10:17 AM)Hoquista Wrote:  Certainly South Carolina has a large and passionate fanbase (I know as I lived in update SC for almost 8 years).

Where 'bouts?
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