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RE: Is Temple definite for #12?
(01-02-2012 11:00 AM)SmallVoice Wrote:  
(01-01-2012 09:59 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  The Big East needs Memphis AND Navy.

As a Louisville fan, I truly wish this were the case. But sorry, no, the BE doesn't need Memphis at all.

I think Memphis would be a good add, and I think they would both strengthen Louisville and encourage Louisville to stay. But the basketball side's already going to have 16 teams, so there's no huge desire to add more unless we need to to get a good football team... and it sort of goes without saying that Memphis doesn't offer much in the whole football area.

Will Memphis be invited? I hope so, but they're still an underdog. I suspect the conference is still lobbying AFA to come in with Navy. Other than that, I suspect Temple's still their top priority and I hope Providence is leaning on Nova not to block sending an invite to them.

And I don't think we have completely shut the door on BYU. I bet the lines of communication are still open (albeit inactive). The two sides will probably talk again in a few years.
01-02-2012 11:40 AM
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I prefer a split. Remove SDSU, Navy, Boise. Add ECU, Temple, USM, Memphis.
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(01-02-2012 12:10 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  If Memphis addresses some "issues", it would be a prime candidate for Big East expansion. They have potential. Good BB, good metro area that fits with Louisville & Cincinnati, good FB recruiting region, etc.

I don't follow the school or FB program at all, but I don't get the impression that they really want to go upgrade & improve. They seem to be stuck in 2002.

Sounds like you are unaware of the major commitment made to the football program 2 years ago. Millions of dollars are now being spent on top-notch facilities: the renovated stadium, Tiger Lane, $3 million weightroom (as good as any in the nation), new artificial turf practice field, new recruiting lounge, expanded football office, new trophy room, new coach (TCU's OC) hired and the current AD soon to be replaced, for example. Next project in the works is a $10 million 100 yard indoor practice field and additional upgrading of the football complex. We will soon have 3 practice fields side-by-side (one grass, one artificial turf and one indoor) which will compare well with most any school.

How were the last 3 seasons so bad? When Tommy West, who had carried UofM to 5 bowl games began to fall behind in recruiting, he got desperate and grossly oversigned JC and transfer players. Next thing you know, we were about 20 scholarship players below the allowable 85. The new coach coming in (Larry Porter) ran off additional players so we struggled the last two seasons with rosters which were not only short, but too young. Porter did bring in better talent than we have seen in a while and as the youngsters mature, we have the nucleus for rebuilding. Even though we are "non-BCS" we have a $40 million budget and will return to respectability sooner than later.
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SMUstang Wrote:Good post SmallVoice - I agree
Thanks, I appreciate it.

(01-02-2012 11:40 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  And I don't think we have completely shut the door on BYU. I bet the lines of communication are still open (albeit inactive). The two sides will probably talk again in a few years.

I hope the lines of communication are open, but I just don't see now how it can work out, unless the Big East is willing to forgo negotiations with NBC. Doing that would probably undervalue our new TV contract, since ESPN wouldn't have much bidding competition. And the problem with waiting a year or more for BYU to show real interest again is that we would need them before TV contract negotiations. Having them in the mix would cause our stock to rise (pretty dramatically, imho). Surely they realize that waiting to see whether or not we get a good TV deal (or waiting to make sure we don't sign with NBC) would be counterproductive.

At one time I'd have been in favor of adding them with the proviso that we not talk to NBC. I might still favor that if they were willing to get out of all their current tier 1 & 2 agreements. But they have made it clear that they won't do that, so adding them now would hurt us more than help us.
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There has been a lot of great passionate discussion here which is great. Has anyone heard any news at all about a Big East timetable for a decision on number 12? Since the last big announcement of teams being added and the BYU talks being put on the back burner I haven’t heard much more. Where does the process stand? Is the BE in discussions with a possible 12th or is it wait and see?
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(01-02-2012 12:17 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  Sounds like you are unaware of the major commitment made to the football program 2 years ago. Millions of dollars are now being spent on top-notch facilities: the renovated stadium, Tiger Lane, $3 million weightroom (as good as any in the nation), new artificial turf practice field, new recruiting lounge, expanded football office, new trophy room, new coach (TCU's OC) hired and the current AD soon to be replaced, for example. Next project in the works is a $10 million 100 yard indoor practice field and additional upgrading of the football complex. We will soon have 3 practice fields side-by-side (one grass, one artificial turf and one indoor) which will compare well with most any school.

How were the last 3 seasons so bad? When Tommy West, who had carried UofM to 5 bowl games began to fall behind in recruiting, he got desperate and grossly oversigned JC and transfer players. Next thing you know, we were about 20 scholarship players below the allowable 85. The new coach coming in (Larry Porter) ran off additional players so we struggled the last two seasons with rosters which were not only short, but too young. Porter did bring in better talent than we have seen in a while and as the youngsters mature, we have the nucleus for rebuilding. Even though we are "non-BCS" we have a $40 million budget and will return to respectability sooner than later.

I truly hope everything you say is accurate. I just wish Memphis had done this ten or eleven years ago so that Louisville, Cincy & Memphis could've moved together. Barring that, I wish they'd have done it five or six years ago when they saw that their unwillingness to invest in football was holding them back.

Louisville fans seem to be divided on the issue of inviting Memphis, but I think you'd have 100% backing from us (not that it really matters what message board posters think) if Memphis truly shows a desire to take the next step. I don't even think most Louisville fans would mind being placed in a western division, as long as 1.) that division included Memphis, and 2.) we were guaranteed an annual game with Cincy (should Cincy be in the eastern division).
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(01-02-2012 12:27 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  There has been a lot of great passionate discussion here which is great. Has anyone heard any news at all about a Big East timetable for a decision on number 12? Since the last big announcement of teams being added and the BYU talks being put on the back burner I haven’t heard much more. Where does the process stand? Is the BE in discussions with a possible 12th or is it wait and see?

Yeah, that's just it, isn't it? We have no idea at this point what's really happening. We had to wait forever before Boise, Houston, SDSU, SMU & UCF were announced, but at least we knew they were all going to be announced. The remaining 2 (4?) are all up in the air - we don't know the timetable and we don't know the schools. Beyond Navy and (maybe) AFA, we don't even know who's even being talked to.
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(01-02-2012 12:33 PM)SmallVoice Wrote:  
(01-02-2012 12:27 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  There has been a lot of great passionate discussion here which is great. Has anyone heard any news at all about a Big East timetable for a decision on number 12? Since the last big announcement of teams being added and the BYU talks being put on the back burner I haven’t heard much more. Where does the process stand? Is the BE in discussions with a possible 12th or is it wait and see?

Yeah, that's just it, isn't it? We have no idea at this point what's really happening. We had to wait forever before Boise, Houston, SDSU, SMU & UCF were announced, but at least we knew they were all going to be announced. The remaining 2 (4?) are all up in the air - we don't know the timetable and we don't know the schools. Beyond Navy and (maybe) AFA, we don't even know who's even being talked to.

Team choices aside, from a strictly business standpoint I would believe sooner is much better then later simply for the sense of stability. I know there were a lot of moving parts in the background with the first major announcement of additions and that accounted for the somewhat deliberate timetable but I think the sooner the BE could move this from a fluid situation to one that’s locked and loaded the better. It will give them a stronger bargaining position with the networks.
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The new NBC Sports Network could be a boon for Temple, but would certainly be a disadvantage for BYU, assuming that the Big East made a deal with them.
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(01-02-2012 12:58 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  The new NBC Sports Network could be a boon for Temple, but would certainly be a disadvantage for BYU, assuming that the Big East made a deal with them.

Ive gota believe the new NBC sports network is a perfect match for the BE. The network needs programming, and the conference is going to a somewhat national footprint in football, and a pretty wide net already in basketball.
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I suspect that the feeling in Providence is that we cannot *not* negotiate with NBC, which prevents us from going any further with BYU. Only if BYU is willing to be part of our Tier 1 & 2 deal is it worth negotiating with them *instead of* NBC.
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(01-02-2012 12:30 PM)SmallVoice Wrote:  I just wish Memphis had done this ten or eleven years ago so that Louisville, Cincy & Memphis could've moved together. Barring that, I wish they'd have done it five or six years ago when they saw that their unwillingness to invest in football was holding them back.

The trouble was that 5 or 6 years ago, we were having winning seasons and going to bowl games (5 in 7 years). The big boosters were apparently unaware that recruiting was slipping until it began to show in losses. The lesson has been learned and football WILL be fixed.
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(01-02-2012 05:33 PM)SmallVoice Wrote:  I suspect that the feeling in Providence is that we cannot *not* negotiate with NBC, which prevents us from going any further with BYU. Only if BYU is willing to be part of our Tier 1 & 2 deal is it worth negotiating with them *instead of* NBC.

I don’t know all the details but I do believe that BYU is pretty closely linked with NBC sports, similar to the NBC Notre Dame agreement. I think if that is the case for the greater good of the Big East it may be best to put BYU on the back burner. If the Big East can land an exclusive or even major TV deal with the Big East for football and basketball it would give them some much needed top level programming (from what I see so far the 24/7 NBC sports network main link is with the NHL) and the Big East huge national exposure. The teams give some great major markets to NBC and if they keep ND and BYU it’s a pretty comprehensive football package. Maybe BYU becomes part of the second level BE expansion, by that time the new BE will have its feet firmly under it, the BYU TV contract may be up for renewal, and the ever changing landscape of college football make it much more advantageous for BYU to be in a national conference like the BE.
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As I understand it, one of the main reasons why BYU left the MWC was because of the lack of TV coverage provided by Versus, which just became a partner with NBC to form the new NBC Sports Network. BYU did not like Versus and probably would not like to be associated with them again.
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