I was just making a point Murph. It was posted above when NC was mentioned for target that it would be funny to see the SEC steal a ACC school. Well I responded becasue the ACC isn't the only show in town in NC. It was assumed by the above poster that an ACC school would go but my point was that another school, ECU, is right in NC. Incidentally, ECU is more of an SEC-type school than any other Divison I school in NC. With them its basketball first. ACC mentality. With ECU its football first. ECU is a football school. That is more SEC-like. That was my point.

Also, I am all in favor of the Big East for ECU. I hope my Pirates will be joining and soon. Each shcool in the Big East is respectable in my opinion and just as much as any ACC school or SEC school. More than most ACC schools by the way.

Quote:Murph, you have my word that ECU will not leave the BE if we are invited to the SEC

-- Just taking a guess here...but it seems to me that however does join the new all sports league is probably going to be in it for good..I would imagine exit fees are going to very high, and several years notice will probably have to be given if any school wishes to depart...doubt the BE football schools will make the same mistake twice


Jackson

Cat's_Claw Wrote:

Kit-Cat Wrote:

nflsucks Wrote:Nobody is expanding beyond 12.  It's not financially viable.

Not Necessairly........

If the schools to 14 can add enough TV dollars its theoretically possible. Unlikely but possible.

Wrong. The SEC just had a meeting last spring and said they weren't expanding to 14 because adding two members DID NOT increase TV dollars. The ACC said the same thing during conference expansion. So people who think adding two more members to a 12 team conference will increase TV dollars are wrong. And that's not my opinion that's the opinions of these conferences.

The money might be there 5,10, 15 years down the road.

All I can say for certain is PSU and ND are not joining a FB conference with Cincinnati and UC is not headed for the ACC or Big Ten if they expand.

Kit Kat,

And all I know for sure is that the MAC conference is a horrible conference. And one thing I know for sure is that Ohio University will not be in a BCS conference.

The SEC wil never add ECU, ever. Unless ECU becomes the next coming of Florida State, they will never bring in enough money to make worth the SEC's while. Plus, we all know how uppity SEC fans are. They won't except someone from outside the club(the BCS club). You should focus on the BE, not the SEC... it wont happen.

oops, meant accept. damn fast typing

Kit-Cat Wrote:The money might be there 5,10, 15 years down the road.

All I can say for certain is PSU and ND are not joining a FB conference with Cincinnati and UC is not headed for the ACC or Big Ten if they expand.

Yeah, because they're actively avoiding a conference with Cincinnati in it. And nobody said anything about Cincinnati going to the ACC or the Big Ten, you said that. I just told you that academics isn't the main reason UC would be barred from those conferences like you claim. On a side note, if Notre Dame didn't want to be in a conference populated by UC they wouldn't have invited UC to the Big East now would they? And they wouldn't have considered playing a partial schedule against Notre Dame. I know this, PSU and ND won't be playing in the MAC ever, so I wouldn't worry about your conference getting anybody better then Temple. I also wouldn't worry about your school being invited to a bigger, better conference so don't worry about Cincinnati. We're just fine. I definitely don't want UC in the ACC or the Big Ten either.

WacoBearcat Wrote:Kit Kat,

And all I know for sure is that the MAC conference is a horrible conference. And one thing I know for sure is that Ohio University will not be in a BCS conference.

Amen. A fan of Ohio University claiming ripping UC, now I've heard it all! OU would sell their soul for a Big East invitation. I know this, UC would never be part of a conference that has OU in it and OU is not headed to the ACC, Big Ten or Big East if they expand.

Ohio University is lucky they are even allowed to be in the MAC. I would not be surprised to see them thrown out of the MAC for poor performance and woeful attendance.

Is Athens even incorporated?

Cat's_Claw Wrote:

WacoBearcat Wrote:Kit Kat,

And all I know for sure is that the MAC conference is a horrible conference. And one thing I know for sure is that Ohio University will not be in a BCS conference.

Amen. A fan of Ohio University claiming ripping UC, now I've heard it all! OU would sell their soul for a Big East invitation. I know this, UC would never be part of a conference that has OU in it and OU is not headed to the ACC, Big Ten or Big East if they expand.

We have a shot at the Big East once we get our football program rolling under Frank Solich. Best basketball arena and football stadium in the MAC. Located close to WVU, Pitt and UC. Plans to increase the athletic budget substantially. Only MAC school to beat WVU.

We used to play UC every year until 1981 in Football. In fact, UC was one of our biggest rivals historically.

What history does UC have with Penn State and Notre Dame? You guys have just moved up to the Big East and now you're acting like ND's best friend.

There has been talk of WKU moving to the MAC. Imagine if they started saying it was a done deal for Louisville and Cincinnati to move into the MAC. Acting like a rival of Cincinnati because they can now play Miami (Oh).

I can understand Jackson hoping for Penn State because after all PSU and WVU are rivals. But the Bearcats?

Bearcat 1984 Wrote:Ohio University is lucky they are even allowed to be in the MAC. I would not be surprised to see them thrown out of the MAC for poor performance and woeful attendance.

Is Athens even incorporated?

We are real lucky to be in the MAC.........


1.Our football coach Don Peden founded the MAC in 1946 and invited Cincinnati.

2.Biggest basketball arena in the MAC, and we own all the top 20 MAC basketball crowds.

3.Oldest and nicest football stadium in the MAC.

4.Best radio/TV network in MAC

5.Best football scheduling in the MAC including Pitt, VT and Utah in Athens.

6.Basketball victories in recent years over Syracuse, UConn, and WVU

7.Best student attendance in the MAC.

8.Highest salaries in the MAC for coaches, including men's basketball and football.


If any schools out of the MAC were to move to the Big East OHIO would be one of the very first looked at. We had an offer to CUSA but we turned it down because we didn't want to be the only Ohio school in the conference. And in the 60's we actively tried to put together an all-sport Eastern Conference with Pitt, WVU, Syracuse, Penn State, Rutgers.......UC was not involved.

Kit Cat,

First of all, what UC fans are acting as though Notre Dame is a lost friend? We have just speculated that a game between UC and Notre Dame at Paul Brown stadium would be a sellout. And given the fact that Notre Dame is going to play 3 Big East teams per year, there is a chance, albeit a very small chance, that this could happen.

Second, UC does have a little history with Penn State. Arguably the greatest win in UC football history came against Penn State in Happy Valley. Penn State has visited Nippert before, and UC is playing Penn State this year. So there is some history there.

Third, read my lips. Ohio University has no chance of getting invited into the Big East. Ohio University brings absolutely nothing to the table. So, don't worry and be happy playing Western Kentucky in its 8,000 seat football stadium.

Fourth, it's amazing what you DON'T KNOW about the University of Cincinnati or the Big East. Please go back to the MAC board where you belong.

Kit-Cat Wrote:We have a shot at the Big East once we get our football program rolling under Frank Solich. Best basketball arena and football stadium in the MAC. Located close to WVU, Pitt and UC. Plans to increase the athletic budget substantially. Only MAC school to beat WVU.

We used to play UC every year until 1981 in Football. In fact, UC was one of our biggest rivals historically.

What history does UC have with Penn State and Notre Dame? You guys have just moved up to the Big East and now you're acting like ND's best friend.

There has been talk of WKU moving to the MAC. Imagine if they started saying it was a done deal for Louisville and Cincinnati to move into the MAC. Acting like a rival of Cincinnati because they can now play Miami (Oh).

I can understand Jackson hoping for Penn State because after all PSU and WVU are rivals. But the Bearcats?

You have no shot at the Big East, period. I don't care who you beat. UC has a history with Penn State, we played them throughout the 80s. Notre Dame has a huge alumni base here in Cincinnati. My father still talks about those games. If you had bothered to even research UC's history with Penn State instead of looking for a reason to downgrade UC you would know that. Like Waco said we play at Penn State this year and we have another game with them down the road. I don't remember any UC fan saying that Notre Dame was our lost friend or that they owe us anything. You said that because you feel the need to exaggerate something to ***** and moan about when ripping UC. On a side note, you want to know why UC is interested in Penn State and Notre Dame? Because, unlike you, we have an interest in the Big East since we're actually in the conference, something you seem to forget when acting like UC is insignificant and shouldn't have any interest in Penn State and Notre Dame. Last I checked we're actually moving into the conference with West Virginia so anything they want is going to catch our attention obviously. What in the world does you making up garbage about UC and Louisville being a done deal to the MAC have to do with anything? Seriously give it a rest. Trying to argue with UC fans about our conference is ridiculous. If Miami fans started talking about wanting a team in the MAC wouldn't Ohio have an interest? I mean it's absolutely stupid to act like UC shouldn't have an interest in Penn State. It's stupid to claim that UC is acting like Notre Dame is our friend even because we speculating on a game with them. It's even dumber to claim that UC shouldn't have an interest in any school that joins the Big East that doesn't have a direct link to Cincinnati. I mean that is idiotic.

Kit-Cat Wrote:We are real lucky to be in the MAC.........


1.Our football coach Don Peden founded the MAC in 1946 and invited Cincinnati.

2.Biggest basketball arena in the MAC, and we own all the top 20 MAC basketball crowds.

3.Oldest and nicest football stadium in the MAC.

4.Best radio/TV network in MAC

5.Best football scheduling in the MAC including Pitt, VT and Utah in Athens.

6.Basketball victories in recent years over Syracuse, UConn, and WVU

7.Best student attendance in the MAC.

8.Highest salaries in the MAC for coaches, including men's basketball and football.


If any schools out of the MAC were to move to the Big East OHIO would be one of the very first looked at. We had an offer to CUSA but we turned it down because we didn't want to be the only Ohio school in the conference. And in the 60's we actively tried to put together an all-sport Eastern Conference with Pitt, WVU, Syracuse, Penn State, Rutgers.......UC was not involved.

The fact that you actively tried to put together a conference without UC should put you in good graces with UC if Ohio were considered for Big East expansion? What?

Actually there is some history between the traditional eastern teams and UC/Louisville....as was pointed out above UC played Penn St and West Virginia on a fairly regular bais in the 1980s...Louisville had games with Pitt, West Virginia and a few with Syracuse if memory serves....so in reality UC/UL were basically the "cousins" of the eastern Indys anyway and them joining the BE isn't much of a stretch

-- As for Ohio U....they do have some tradition in both bball and football...I remember watching Gary Trent (shaq of the MAC) in Morgantown a few years ago...but with that being said I can't see Ohio U coming in...the BE already has coverage in southern Ohio with UC and in the northern Ohio river valley with Pitt and WVU...that is probably the best we are going to do considering how OSU dominates the state....and frankly...the goal of the next round of football expansion should be to shorten the distance between USF and the rest of the league

Quote:If any schools out of the MAC were to move to the Big East OHIO would be one of the very first looked at. We had an offer to CUSA but we turned it down because we didn't want to be the only Ohio school in the conference. And in the 60's we actively tried to put together an all-sport Eastern Conference with Pitt, WVU, Syracuse, Penn State, Rutgers.......UC was not involved.

-- Do you have any more info on this? I remember hearing something about this not too long ago but I can't remember from who....If memory serves it was in the 60s and Ohio U was coming of a Top 15- Top 10 finish....but that's all I know


Jackson

Let's see....

Athens County : 64, 380

Hamilton County: 823,472

or perhaps...

Athens 64,380
Washington 62,505
Morgan 14,843
Perry 35,074
Hocking 28,644
Vinton 13,231
Meigs 23,242
Area Population: 242, 219

as compared to...

Hamilton 823,472
Butler 343,207
Warren 181,743
Clermont 185,799
Boone 97,139
Kenton 152,287
Campbell 87.970
Dearborn 47,849
Metropolitan Area: 1,919,466

Tell us again about how Ohio University would be of interest to the Big East ????

Ohio University endowment? $175 million

University of Cincinnati? $899 million

Bearcat 1984 Wrote:Ohio University endowment? $175 million

University of Cincinnati? $899 million

I see we are "more endowed" than OU by more than 5 times! :laugh:

According to this site, UC's endowment jumped to $987,785 in 2004.

Ohio University has a endowment of $176,261.


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WacoBearcat Wrote:According to this site, UC's endowment jumped to $987,785 in 2004.

Ohio University has a endowment of $176,261.


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Thanks, Waco, I got those figures off the uc website.

I also found that the endowment cracked a billion in 2000 or 2001, but obviously that was probably pre-bubble bust in the stock market.

The point of course is that kit kat's contention that they are in the same league with UC or OSU is absurd. The number of undergrads is similiar, but we have more grad students. But even number of students is not the issue. It's the money. It's the programs. The school generates hundreds of millions of dollars of economic impact each year. We have some of the top programs in medicine and engineering and daaap.

No comparison.

Let's be honest here UC, UL or WVA would jump on ACC, SEC or Big Ten membership in a heartbeat!