(02-25-2012 06:17 PM)PoiseState Wrote:  Don't underestimate the power of having 2 teams in Cali, 2 in Texas, and 2 in Florida. This would hugely benefit all the teams in the Beast when it comes to recruiting. Guaranteed games in each state each year is huge. Free recruiting trips for coaches. Plus the states of Cali, Florida, and Tex all debate who has the best talent and even play their own all star games between each other. Could make this a prove it league for them.

Good point, and I'm not underestimating that point whatsoever. I just think we should make one more attempt at Air Force before looking elsewhere. That's the point of having plans B and C. It all goes back to the Boy Scouts of America motto: "Be prepared."

(02-25-2012 06:10 PM)SmallVoice Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 05:21 PM)SergiofromFresno Wrote:  Fresno has the potential to dominate an expanse of California which can be estimated in population between 7-10 Million People- IE Everything North of Los Angeles Area and East and South of the Bay Area. Which Means the Central Valley, Central Coast, and Sierras.

No offense, but I don't see Fresno's reach going quite that far. Even if they just bring Fresno County, that's enough, if they can dominate it. That's a million people right there. I would imagine that their reach could go a little beyond that to adjacent counties or even the entire San Joaquin Valley. But I don't see them dominating anything on the coast or even Sacramento.

Without Question they dominate Fresno County and the SJ Valley. Modesto, the Sierras, and Bakersfield can be argued as Fresno's territory to.. The Central Coast and Stockton/Sacto are the battleground areas..

Take a Look at the Following Link for Some Evidence on Fresno's Penetration- http://www.commoncensus.org/sports_hotsp...89&sport=5

(02-25-2012 05:39 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 05:21 PM)SergiofromFresno Wrote:  there is no more natrual fit than Fresno joining its rivals Boise and San Diego in the Big East. UNLV doesnt control their market, but Fresno has the potential to be a hell of an add for the Big East.

This is why I like Fresno above UNLV. There is a symmetry in adding another California team.

Amen Brother!

(02-25-2012 06:19 PM)PoiseState Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 06:10 PM)SmallVoice Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 05:21 PM)SergiofromFresno Wrote:  Fresno has the potential to dominate an expanse of California which can be estimated in population between 7-10 Million People- IE Everything North of Los Angeles Area and East and South of the Bay Area. Which Means the Central Valley, Central Coast, and Sierras.

No offense, but I don't see Fresno's reach going quite that far. Even if they just bring Fresno County, that's enough, if they can dominate it. That's a million people right there. I would imagine that their reach could go a little beyond that to adjacent counties or even the entire San Joaquin Valley. But I don't see them dominating anything on the coast or even Sacramento.

Fresno State is Fresno and the San Joaquin Valley's team. They are not un upstart by any means. They are just lacking good competition coming in their week after week. There is a reason that all the good teams around them have stopped scheduling them and they have to reach out to teams every where to keep their giant killer mantra going.

Absolutely Agreed- Dont count out North Valley and Central Coast Penetration- CTD is doing alright in bringing back the fanbase- Start having sucess again, and Central California will be one massive Red Wave.

(02-25-2012 06:34 PM)SergiofromFresno Wrote:  Absolutely Agreed- Dont count out North Valley and Central Coast Penetration- CTD is doing alright in bringing back the fanbase- Start having sucess again, and Central California will be one massive Red Wave.

I do count Sacramento Valley & Central Coast out. The Bulldogs are, however, welcome to prove me wrong.

A few information on Fresno State

#55 TV Market

Last 11 years
2011 4-9
2010 8-5
2009 8-5
2008 7-6
2007 9-4
2006 4-8
2005 8-5
2004 9-3
2003 9-5
2002 9-5
2001 11-3

2010-2011 Revenue $10 million
2010-2011 Expenses $7 million

2010 average attendance 34K

Other than the two bad seasons Fresno State has had a very good record the past decade and that's with a WAC conference with Nevada, Boise State, Utah, and Hawaii. Of course the revenue and expenses are low but should do better with better with a better TV deal. No idea on Fresno State's current athletic infrastructure situation.

(02-25-2012 06:43 PM)SmallVoice Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 06:34 PM)SergiofromFresno Wrote:  Absolutely Agreed- Dont count out North Valley and Central Coast Penetration- CTD is doing alright in bringing back the fanbase- Start having sucess again, and Central California will be one massive Red Wave.

I do count Sacramento Valley & Central Coast out. The Bulldogs are, however, welcome to prove me wrong.

Just counting SJ Valley is 4 Million.

But the Sac Valley and the Central Coast are essentialy a wash between the various California Powers- Feel free to look at that link to the map for further clarification.
Also Sacramento hosts a huge base of FS Alums. Not saying we dominate it, but we do have quite the presence.

We Outdrew Cal in the Candelstick Park Game in 2011, and brought 30K+ to the USC & UCLA Games..

(02-25-2012 06:46 PM)ollin Wrote:  A few information on Fresno State

#55 TV Market

Last 11 years
2011 4-9
2010 8-5
2009 8-5
2008 7-6
2007 9-4
2006 4-8
2005 8-5
2004 9-3
2003 9-5
2002 9-5
2001 11-3

2010-2011 Revenue $10 million
2010-2011 Expenses $7 million

2010 average attendance 34K

Other than the two bad seasons Fresno State has had a very good record the past decade and that's with a WAC conference with Nevada, Boise State, Utah, and Hawaii. Of course the revenue and expenses are low but should do better with better with a better TV deal. No idea on Fresno State's current athletic infrastructure situation.

Just want to add a little tidbit- that #55 Market does not include Merced, Bakersfield, or Modesto, which are essentially Bulldog strongholds..

(02-25-2012 07:54 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 07:15 AM)Tampa Bearcat Wrote:  I'm fine with whoever out west. I just wish that if the BE knew they'd be inviting 337 schools, they would have created a western division from the start and allow those schools to form their own mini-conference for everything but football.

Many suggested that their football side should have expanded YEARS ago...because that was one of the main reasons why Big East had the worst BCS TV Contract out of the 6 conferences...(because they were the smallest conf, 8 teams, playing the fewest conference games, i.e. meaningful games, 7 each).

Big East (Catholic Basketball side especially) didn't seem to care, but once SYRACUSE and Pitt were poached...I think some of those Catholic schools finally woke up and realized their mistake.

Their decision to expand their football conf came WAY too late to save the likes of Miami, BC, Va Tech, Pitt, Syracuse or WVU....but at least now they are trying to make best of the current situation...and right as many wrongs as possible.

Oh here we go again! its all the Catholic schools fault! Come on genius, who could they add that would have kept everyone in conference? It sure wasnt UCF.

The BBall schools in the last 7 years have okayed 8 all sports teams (Temple isnt official yet), 3 FB only, and 2 all but FB. So how did they not care?

UNLV before Fresno.

I want Fresno State in the Big East so bad its not even funny. I wish UNLV would have been considered for a full invite over Memphis or Temple for the western schools sake.

(02-25-2012 12:49 PM)SmallVoice Wrote:  Some of you SDSU fans are talking me into supporting a Fresno bid. I still like AFA better - not because I necessarily think they're a better team than Fresno, but because having 2/3 of the service academies helps the Big East in ways that no single team can. But the idea of the Cards playing a game in California every year does sound good. (Not that I'm likely to travel to Fresno to see one of them.)

I agree. I probably still prefer Air Force and BYU over Fresno due to their higher national profile. But Fresno may fit because:

1) they're a great rival for Boise & SDSU
2) their location in California
3) they have local support
4) their tough Big East/underdog attitude

At this point, I just want to win games and increase our computer rankings. I want to kick some a$$.

(02-25-2012 07:07 PM)SergiofromFresno Wrote:  Just counting SJ Valley is 4 Million.

But the Sac Valley and the Central Coast are essentialy a wash between the various California Powers- Feel free to look at that link to the map for further clarification.
Also Sacramento hosts a huge base of FS Alums. Not saying we dominate it, but we do have quite the presence.

We Outdrew Cal in the Candelstick Park Game in 2011, and brought 30K+ to the USC & UCLA Games..

As I said originally, I'd be happy knowing that Fresno could dominate the San Joaquin Valley. And outdrawing Cal at Candlestick certainly speaks well of your fan base, but doesn't mean you dominate either San Francisco specifically or the Bay Area in general.

I'm not against Fresno. I am, in fact, coming over to your side. I would still support AFA first, for reasons I've stated earlier. I also would like BYU ahead of either of you, if that can happen on the Big East's terms. But I'd support Fresno on equal terms above BYU on special terms.

As far as I'm concerned, all Fresno would be expected to do would be to deliver the Central Valley from Bakersfield to Stockton (or at least Modesto). That's a darn lot of people.

Boise Fresno Rivalry Trophy

Milk Can (Dairy Communities)

FSU vs SDSU

Oil Can



History of the rivalry link

(02-25-2012 10:06 PM)PoiseState Wrote:  Boise Fresno Rivalry Trophy

Milk Can (Dairy Communities)

Has Fresno ever won that trophy btw? :billgates:

(02-25-2012 09:42 PM)SmallVoice Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 07:07 PM)SergiofromFresno Wrote:  Just counting SJ Valley is 4 Million.

But the Sac Valley and the Central Coast are essentialy a wash between the various California Powers- Feel free to look at that link to the map for further clarification.
Also Sacramento hosts a huge base of FS Alums. Not saying we dominate it, but we do have quite the presence.

We Outdrew Cal in the Candelstick Park Game in 2011, and brought 30K+ to the USC & UCLA Games..

As I said originally, I'd be happy knowing that Fresno could dominate the San Joaquin Valley. And outdrawing Cal at Candlestick certainly speaks well of your fan base, but doesn't mean you dominate either San Francisco specifically or the Bay Area in general.

I'm not against Fresno. I am, in fact, coming over to your side. I would still support AFA first, for reasons I've stated earlier. I also would like BYU ahead of either of you, if that can happen on the Big East's terms. But I'd support Fresno on equal terms above BYU on special terms.

As far as I'm concerned, all Fresno would be expected to do would be to deliver the Central Valley from Bakersfield to Stockton (or at least Modesto). That's a darn lot of people.

My personal order of preference would be: BYU, AFA, FSU, UNLV

(02-25-2012 10:21 PM)BSUFiend Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 10:06 PM)PoiseState Wrote:  Boise Fresno Rivalry Trophy

Milk Can (Dairy Communities)

Has Fresno ever won that trophy btw? :billgates:

Yes

Has Fresno State even reached out to the Big East?

We did hear from SDSU's people.....when all the BSU and BYU stuff was going down.

When BYU didn't work out.....SDSU stepped up.

All we have heard from UNLV is that they will not break up their sports. That tells me pretty much all I need to know about them.

Will Fresno State be willing to go Football only in the Big East and then be in the same boat as Boise State?

If not this whole discussion is pointless.

(02-25-2012 10:55 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  Will Fresno State be willing to go Football only in the Big East and then be in the same boat as Boise State?

I'd compare them to SDSU, as being another Cali school they could likely shove their sports in the Big West.