Friday night games are not a problem in NY...many local HS programs play their games on Saturday afternoons (along with Pop Warner). Maybe the ACC could get Cuse and BC to host 2 or 3 of these a year. an agreement of 4 or 5 would be too much. I don't see the issue of a Southern Team coming north to play one of these games. Friday is much better to Wednesday as it is possible to play a game the week before or after. Wednesday nights take you out of action the week prior and the week after or you end up doing two Wednesdays in a row to help ameliorate it.

(03-06-2012 05:32 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Friday night games are not a problem in NY...many local HS programs play their games on Saturday afternoons (along with Pop Warner). Maybe the ACC could get Cuse and BC to host 2 or 3 of these a year. an agreement of 4 or 5 would be too much.

The problem is that agreeing to even 2-3 games you have let the camel's nose under the tent. What happens when the three teams that don't see this as an issue are all bad? Do you think ESPN is going to agree to a prime time game between a 2-5 team and a 1-6 team? Once we agree to the games what is to keep ESPN from demanding that Clemson, GT, UNC, etc. have to host one?

Quote:I don't see the issue of a Southern Team coming north to play one of these games. Friday is much better to Wednesday as it is possible to play a game the week before or after. Wednesday nights take you out of action the week prior and the week after or you end up doing two Wednesdays in a row to help ameliorate it.

The issue is the same. You are forcing fans to make a choice between attending a high school game or staying home to watch a bush league Friday night college game.

(03-06-2012 05:46 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(03-06-2012 05:32 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Friday night games are not a problem in NY...many local HS programs play their games on Saturday afternoons (along with Pop Warner). Maybe the ACC could get Cuse and BC to host 2 or 3 of these a year. an agreement of 4 or 5 would be too much.

The problem is that agreeing to even 2-3 games you have let the camel's nose under the tent. What happens when the three teams that don't see this as an issue are all bad? Do you think ESPN is going to agree to a prime time game between a 2-5 team and a 1-6 team? Once we agree to the games what is to keep ESPN from demanding that Clemson, GT, UNC, etc. have to host one?

Quote:I don't see the issue of a Southern Team coming north to play one of these games. Friday is much better to Wednesday as it is possible to play a game the week before or after. Wednesday nights take you out of action the week prior and the week after or you end up doing two Wednesdays in a row to help ameliorate it.

The issue is the same. You are forcing fans to make a choice between attending a high school game or staying home to watch a bush league Friday night college game.

I agree100% with catdaddy. Being from NC, this would ensure recruits will leave the state. No incentive for h's coaches to help state schools.

It's one thing for North Carolina High School coaches to stand up to ECU or App State, but standing up to the ACC in this state is another matter. They won't like it but I don't think it would cause an ACC school to lose a single recruit.

(03-06-2012 05:46 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(03-06-2012 05:32 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Friday night games are not a problem in NY...many local HS programs play their games on Saturday afternoons (along with Pop Warner). Maybe the ACC could get Cuse and BC to host 2 or 3 of these a year. an agreement of 4 or 5 would be too much.

The problem is that agreeing to even 2-3 games you have let the camel's nose under the tent. What happens when the three teams that don't see this as an issue are all bad? Do you think ESPN is going to agree to a prime time game between a 2-5 team and a 1-6 team? Once we agree to the games what is to keep ESPN from demanding that Clemson, GT, UNC, etc. have to host one?

Quote:I don't see the issue of a Southern Team coming north to play one of these games. Friday is much better to Wednesday as it is possible to play a game the week before or after. Wednesday nights take you out of action the week prior and the week after or you end up doing two Wednesdays in a row to help ameliorate it.

The issue is the same. You are forcing fans to make a choice between attending a high school game or staying home to watch a bush league Friday night college game.

If the South is as gung-ho on their football as I believe, they will prefer to be at an actual game than watching one on TV.

As others in this thread have pointed out, it will likely be a 6 game commitment with most of the games being played @Syracuse or @BC which again likely means these "southern" fans will believe their team will knock the crap out of their yankee opponent and tape the game for watching later.

Cheers,
Neil

ESPN is bullish on Friday nights. The Big 12, Pac-12 and Big East made up the schedule the last couple of years. I'm assuming we'll take over the Big East slots.

(03-06-2012 09:05 PM)fsugrad99 Wrote:  ESPN is bullish on Friday nights. The Big 12, Pac-12 and Big East made up the schedule the last couple of years. I'm assuming we'll take over the Big East slots.

Probably, although the Big East will keep their share as well. Looking at the past two years of Friday night games of the BCS teams:

Louisville - 3 times
Syracuse - 3 times
BYU - 3 times (not really BCS but BCS level)
UConn - 2 times

All the rest were once.

Cheers,
Neil

(03-06-2012 04:57 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I lived in Florida for a few years, so I do know what big time HS Fball is all about. I stand corrected on HS Coach's banning schools, but I do feel that it's a little dumb, but it is what it is.

Now say the ACC commits to 5 Friday Night games, the league can still work around Clemson and the NC schools on this.

Game 1 or 2 Sun Belt/1AA @ any ACC School
Game 2 WVU @ Maryland/ MAC/1AA @ Syracuse
Game 3 Pitt @ Virginia Tech or Miami
Game 4 Pitt @ Syracuse or BC
Game 5 Syracuse vs BC

I hope VT and UVA both take a no Friday night stance too. Va. high school football has grown by leaps and bounds over the last 15 years. I don't want either of the major univerisities in state to do any thing that might jeopardize HS football popularity. More importantly, I don't want VT coaches to have the problems ECU coaches have had with HS coaches in NC since they played on a Friday night.

(03-07-2012 12:43 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-06-2012 04:57 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I lived in Florida for a few years, so I do know what big time HS Fball is all about. I stand corrected on HS Coach's banning schools, but I do feel that it's a little dumb, but it is what it is.

Now say the ACC commits to 5 Friday Night games, the league can still work around Clemson and the NC schools on this.

Game 1 or 2 Sun Belt/1AA @ any ACC School
Game 2 WVU @ Maryland/ MAC/1AA @ Syracuse
Game 3 Pitt @ Virginia Tech or Miami
Game 4 Pitt @ Syracuse or BC
Game 5 Syracuse vs BC

I hope VT and UVA both take a no Friday night stance too. Va. high school football has grown by leaps and bounds over the last 15 years. I don't want either of the major univerisities in state to do any thing that might jeopardize HS football popularity. More importantly, I don't want VT coaches to have the problems ECU coaches have had with HS coaches in NC since they played on a Friday night.

TBH I hope PA coach's do the same thing, as well as Florida.

I'm thinking that ESPN will have the power to include this in the re-negotiation of the TV contract. The ACC wants more money by adding Syracuse and Pittsburgh, one of the conditions might be to include ACC friday night games. Either the ACC agrees and takes the extra money or refuses it and say no thanks. I'm guessing Friday night games are going to be a staple on ESPN. It looks like the NFL is going to have more Thursday night games which means lower ratings for ESPN's Thursday college package. ESPN needs to squeeze every dollar out of its ACC TV rights deal, so it may contractually obligate the ACC to play on Friday night. For Syracuse, it would not be a problem. In fact if we got on TV on a regular basis (like Big Monday basketball) because other ACC schools would not want to play on friday then it would certainly help recruiting.

More details on ECU's troubles after playing on Friday night.

Hard to make sense of Friday night deal

http://bonesville.net/Articles/DennyOBri...tebook.htm

If ESPN pushes Friday nights, I'd like to see the ACC make a counter-offer: Monday nights at 6 PM Eastern. Most ACC viewers are in the Eastern time zone (NFL prefers starting at 9 PM Eastern since that's 6 PM Pacific). ACC game could be over by the time NFL game kicks off, and you essentially have the ACC opening for the NFL, which makes the ACC look good by association, too.

(03-07-2012 05:28 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If ESPN pushes Friday nights, I'd like to see the ACC make a counter-offer: Monday nights at 6 PM Eastern. Most ACC viewers are in the Eastern time zone (NFL prefers starting at 9 PM Eastern since that's 6 PM Pacific). ACC game could be over by the time NFL game kicks off, and you essentially have the ACC opening for the NFL, which makes the ACC look good by association, too.

I'm not sure if you're being serious or not. I gotta sleep on this idea. Unsure if I like this or not!

(03-06-2012 03:31 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  If more money is involved then I'd go for it. We don't know who'd be playing in the games. Maybe SU and BC will get a lot of them. Our biggest crowd last season was a Friday night game.

Wasn't that the WVU game? That probably had an effect on attendance.

(03-07-2012 05:31 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(03-07-2012 05:28 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If ESPN pushes Friday nights, I'd like to see the ACC make a counter-offer: Monday nights at 6 PM Eastern. Most ACC viewers are in the Eastern time zone (NFL prefers starting at 9 PM Eastern since that's 6 PM Pacific). ACC game could be over by the time NFL game kicks off, and you essentially have the ACC opening for the NFL, which makes the ACC look good by association, too.

I'm not sure if you're being serious or not. I gotta sleep on this idea. Unsure if I like this or not!

I'm serious alright! (though I'm not 100% sure even I like this idea).

PRO: It associates the ACC more closely with the NFL; it puts ACC games on a night with no competition from college football; fans in attendance can still get home before midnight or so.

CON: It's still a weeknight; It's early for a weeknight; West Coast won't even see it

I think we should just stick with Thursday night games but I can see the ACC feeling pressure to get more games in prime time slots on other nights. It's really hard for the fans to get into Wednesday and to a lesser extent Thursday games.

For TV they're not bad, though. I love the fact that just about any day of the week I can sit down on the couch and catch a college football game. I look forward to those Thursday night matchups even more than some of the games on Saturday because they're the only show in town that day.

(03-07-2012 06:49 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-06-2012 03:31 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  If more money is involved then I'd go for it. We don't know who'd be playing in the games. Maybe SU and BC will get a lot of them. Our biggest crowd last season was a Friday night game.

Wasn't that the WVU game? That probably had an effect on attendance.

Maybe, there were hardly any WVU fans there. We were 4-2 heading into the game.

I think a bigger name opponent, coupled with what looked to be a promising season contributed to the crowd size. We lost two road games after the WVU win at home. If we had won both the road games,then we probably would have had more than the standard just-over-40k crowds.

The ACC looked at this a few years ago and decided against it. Money talks though so they may say yes if the price is right.

If it is for a huge boatload of money: yes.
Otherwise: no.

(03-07-2012 12:42 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  If it is for a huge boatload of money: yes.
Otherwise: no.

I know HS Football is very big in GA as well, would HS coach's ban GT coach's if GT played on Friday?