(05-06-2012 02:49 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  If the ACC were to go into a scheduling alliance with Notre Dame then it needs to be on our terms. They play who we offer or they can go pound sand. We aren't the ones who are going to have trouble scheduling late October and November games in the near future.

If your point is that Notre Dame needs the ACC, I agree.

(05-06-2012 02:49 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  We should not tie a scheduling alliance in with bowl ties as there is absolutely no benefit in that for us.

Who ever even suggested that? This is not the Big East!

The divisions need to be altered. I had a good one awhile ago that I'm too lazy to recreate or look up, but I like hokiemark's and I'd be happy with that so long as we continue to play the Cavs. I like playing VaTech yearly too.

Something like

Atlantic=================Coastal
Virginia Tech---------------------- Virginia
Boston College--------------------Duke
Syracuse --------------------------Clemson
Pitt----------------------------------Georgia Tech
Maryland---------------------------North Carolina State
Miami-------------------------------Florida State
Wake Forest-----------------------North Carolina


Yes, WF gets the short end of the stick but if Tobacco Road has to make a sacrifice to show FSU they mean to fix the problem I think that will speak loud and clear.

These are fun to make. With a set up like this Then a lot can be said about travel distances in the ACC vs the Big 12. With the current set up the travel distances are really quite similiar.

The above makes travel a lot better for Florida State so that it is more likely they do not get screwed over the week before big games like Florida. It should also boost visiting fan numbers in Tallahassee.

What about this zipper for sh*ts and giggles

Pitt................Cuse
Clemson.......Maryland
GT.................BC
FSU...............Miami
VT................. Virginia
NCSU........... Wake Forest
NC................Duke

(05-06-2012 05:06 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  What about this zipper for sh*ts and giggles

Pitt................Cuse
Clemson.......Maryland
GT.................BC
FSU...............Miami
VT................. Virginia
NCSU........... Wake Forest
NC................Duke

You definitely need to switch Duke and UNC as the UNC-UVA rivalry is one of the souths oldest (if not the oldest)

Clemson would not be willing to swap Wake for EweNC. We have far more history with the Deacs and they have been the second best NC ACC school the past 10 years. Put the #3 in NC (the sheep) with the #4 in NC (Duke). They deserve each other.

(05-06-2012 06:23 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Clemson would not be willing to swap Wake for EweNC. We have far more history with the Deacs and they have been the second best NC ACC school the past 10 years. Put the #3 in NC (the sheep) with the #4 in NC (Duke). They deserve each other.

Yea I blindly threw that together just for the hell of it... lol

(05-06-2012 06:23 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Clemson would not be willing to swap Wake for EweNC. We have far more history with the Deacs and they have been the second best NC ACC school the past 10 years. Put the #3 in NC (the sheep) with the #4 in NC (Duke). They deserve each other.

Should I have made mine more uneven as far as power programs goes?

As much as I would love to face VT every year - have I mentioned we've played them the 3rd most in our history trailing UF and UM - it really wouldn't make sense to have divisions THAT lopsided and if at least GT were in our division they'd be much closer. Besides, I doubt the Carolina schools (and potentially the VA schools, depending on how things shake out) would be in favor of such drastic changes.

Just switch BC with GT.

FSU - Miami
Clemson - VT
GT - BC
Cuse - Pitt
Maryland - UVA
Wake - Duke
NC State - UNC

I think those are who the bottom 3 pairs are matched up with. Honestly, I don't care.

(05-06-2012 10:21 PM)JustAnotherName Wrote:  As much as I would love to face VT every year - have I mentioned we've played them the 3rd most in our history trailing UF and UM - it really wouldn't make sense to have divisions THAT lopsided and if at least GT were in our division they'd be much closer. Besides, I doubt the Carolina schools (and potentially the VA schools, depending on how things shake out) would be in favor of such drastic changes.

Just switch BC with GT.

FSU - Miami
Clemson - VT
GT - BC
Cuse - Pitt
Maryland - UVA
Wake - Duke
NC State - UNC

I think those are who the bottom 3 pairs are matched up with. Honestly, I don't care.

I can live with that. FSU and Pitt annually. 2 of three that I like, UVA will just have to play in rotation. I'm also begining to like Wake, a small private school always causing the bigger schools problems, ow can you not like them.

I'm also excited to see Clemson fans in the Dome (Everyone in Orange, both teams will think they are being cheered on the whole game, could be a shootout!).

If we went North/South:

Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Maryland
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest

North Carolina
NC State
Duke
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Miami

I would venture to say UNC-UVA (116 games) is a lock, but let's take a look at the other most played cross-division rivalries to consider:

BC
Miami 28
Clemson 21

Clemson
Wake 77
UMD 60
VT 32

Duke
Wake 92
UMD 50
Pitt 17

FSU
VT 35
UMD 21

GT
Wake 30
UMD 20
VT 9
BC 7
Pitt 7

Miami
Pitt 32
VT 29
BC 28

NCSU
Wake 105
UMD 68
VT 48

Pitt
Miami 32
Duke 17

VT
NCSU 48
FSU 35
Clemson 32
Miami 29

Syracuse has little to no history with any of the south schools except Miami (22 games). Same with GT and the north schools, except the obvious long-time ACC members. I was a little surprised at Pitt being Miami's most played.

Thoughts?

*Duke-Wake is 92 games btw.

(05-08-2012 09:54 AM)esayem Wrote:  If we went North/South:

Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Maryland
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest

North Carolina
NC State
Duke
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Miami
...

Thoughts?

I'm not sure that raw number of games is the best way to pair cross-over rivals.
I also think it would be a mistake not to put Miami in the North since those are all long-time rivals. Having said that, if there is insistence on Miami in the South, I think their cross-over rival has to be either Pitt or VT.
Wake would not be happy in the North division, either - the teams they want to play would mostly be in the South (except maybe VT, which is just up the road).
I see lots of problems trying to do cross-overs with this arrangement, because there are still too many natural rivalries which would be broken.

Here are the rivalries I think you MUST keep/restore:
Miami vs. FSU, VT, and BC
FSU vs. Miami, Clemson, and GT
GT vs. FSU, and Clemson
Clemson vs. FSU, GT, and NC State (and WF if possible)
WF vs. NC St, UNC, and Clemson (and Duke if possible)
NC St vs UNC, WF, Duke, and Clemson
Duke vs UNC, and NC St (and WF is possible)
UNC vs. NC St, Duke, and UVa (+ WF, FSU, GT and Clemson if possible)
UVa vs VT, UNC, and Maryland
VT vs UVa, Miami, Maryland and Pitt, plus any NC school (+Clemson if possible)
Maryland vs UVa, VT, Pitt and Miami (and NC St if possible)
Pitt vs Syracuse, BC, Maryland, and Miami
Syracuse vs BC, Pitt, Miami and VT (if possible)
BC vs Syracuse, VT, Pitt, and Miami (if possible)

I think these are the games that would sell the most tickets.
<do you see any errors or omissions?>

Sending WF to the North instead of Miami is a simply terrible idea that makes things worse. Miami helps sell out stadiums in the North. Miami gives those teams an appearance in Florida for recruiting purposes. Miami provides match ups that will make it onto to national tv. Miami already has rivalries established with lots of those teams. The majority of Miami's alumni live in the north and that's where a lot of their perspective students come from.

Wake does none of those things and the idea of sending Wake North should never be given a second thought.

I agree, I just went based on geography.

Would Miami mind?

Ok I'm on board with this:

BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Maryland, UVA, VT, Miami
Wake, UNC, NCSU, Duke, Clemson, GT, FSU

Miami-FSU
UVA-UNC
VT-NCSU
Maryland-Clemson or Wake (both have met 60 times so I suppose we could ask Clemson if they prefer BC)

I would say those would be locks.

Then I'd go:
BC-Clemson or Wake

I suppose these are interchangeable:
Syracuse-GT
Pitt-Duke

(05-11-2012 12:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  Ok I'm on board with this:

BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Maryland, UVA, VT, Miami
Wake, UNC, NCSU, Duke, Clemson, GT, FSU

Miami-FSU
UVA-UNC
VT-NCSU
Maryland-Clemson or Wake (both have met 60 times so I suppose we could ask Clemson if they prefer BC)

I would say those would be locks.

Then I'd go:
BC-Clemson or Wake

I suppose these are interchangeable:
Syracuse-GT
Pitt-Duke

In your scenario I think it'd be either GT because of our recent history or Wake because they are the closest, NC recruiting, and one of the easier teams. It would not be NCSU and I wouldn't want it to be.

North

Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Maryland
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest

South

North Carolina
NC State
Duke
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Miami

This is the way to go. It makes no sense for Ga Tech and FSU not to play every year. Plus Miami left the BE due to the travel cost for its other sports.

12 game scedule (9 conference games)

6 division games
3 inter-division (2 against designated rivals from other division; 1 rotating)

13th game is ACC Championship game

(05-11-2012 01:20 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  North

Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Maryland
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest

South

North Carolina
NC State
Duke
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Miami

This is the way to go. It makes no sense for Ga Tech and FSU not to play every year. Plus Miami left the BE due to the travel cost for its other sports.

12 game scedule (9 conference games)

6 division games
3 inter-division (2 against designated rivals from other division; 1 rotating)

13th game is ACC Championship game

Several of those ideas are horrible. The only sports that divisions cover are football and baseball. Miami didn't even play baseball in the Big East. Miami has also been the most vocal about wanting to play in the Northeast. Only having one rotating game is a bad move.

Since our TV contract blows I want the division that is going to put as many butts in the seats at Clemson as possible. That means pretty much Tabakky Rd ( except Wake since they at least try) and Virginia are out since they collectively bring about 416 fans [er game. Bring on Syracuse and the tens of thousands of traveling fans their fans say they will bring.

If we are going to have to sacrifice our football to be in this abortion of a conference then the schools that care absolutely bothing about football should have to sacrifice more. Make them wait longer for the huge Clemson fanbase and give it to the schools that actually give a damn.

No to EweNC
No to Puke
No to NC miSTake
No to the French

How about we just try to make 1 tough division. Then you play all the best teams with the better traveling fan bases.

Division 1
-----
Boston College
Clemson
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami
Pittsburgh
Virginia Tech

Division 2
-----
Duke
Maryland
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Syracuse - sorry Cuse, you've been bad recently.
Virginia
Wake Forest

Better yet, make it like English Premiere soccer and move up the 2 best teams from the division 2 every 2 years and move the worst 2 from Division 1 down to Division 2. Of course the 2 best teams won't meet in the championship game because they'll all be in Division 1.