(04-28-2012 02:48 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  FSU and Miami have been skating by on their past reputation.

Yea, ditto for USC and Texas in the 80's and 90's and Oklahoma in the 90's. Am I right?

(04-28-2012 12:56 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The constant ignorance of the media of what "elimination of AQ status" means is grating.

The removal of AQ status does NOT mean the removal of contractual tie-ins. The ACC has a contractual tie-in with the Orange Bowl. If the semifinals are going to be played in the BCS bowls with placement based on tie-ins, then the Orange (or someone else) needs to have an ACC tie-in in order to have have any chance at hosting a semifinal and, in the years that it's not a semifinal, have free market access to the 2nd place SEC and Big Ten teams that are desirable.

You're assuming that beyond the Rose Bowl any of the other bowls would even WANT contractual tie-ins.

From what I'm reading aside from the Top 4 the other BCS games will work in a "free market" with out regard to ranking. The Orange Bowl would be trading out the ACC Champ contract for the possibility of Notre Dame or Michigan.

If you're going to continue to honor conference contracts for the BCS games then there is no elimination of the automatic qualifier. The Rose, Orange, Sugar and Fiesta can stand on their own two feet without needing conference contracts.

(04-28-2012 08:56 PM)JustAnotherName Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 02:48 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  FSU and Miami have been skating by on their past reputation.

Yea, ditto for USC and Texas in the 80's and 90's and Oklahoma in the 90's. Am I right?

Right and the Big East is a SOLID in major college football because it has Boise State and Houston......

(04-28-2012 08:56 PM)JustAnotherName Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 02:48 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  FSU and Miami have been skating by on their past reputation.

Yea, ditto for USC and Texas in the 80's and 90's and Oklahoma in the 90's. Am I right?

no, you're not but that's okay

keep trying

The Big Four conferences in college football are the SEC, B1G, PAC, B12.

SEC: Alabama, Florida, LSU
B1G: Ohio State, Nebraska, Michigan
PAC: USC
B12: Oklahoma, Texas

The ACC doesn't have anybody on that top tier listed above.

The ACC owns NC/VA in football but outside of Virginia Tech and an occasional appearance of Wake or UNC in the top 25 it is the master of a relatively weak area of college football. An area that has never produced a National Championship.

The SEC (Florida), B1G (Ohio State), PAC (USC), B12 (Texas) all have the top level program in a major football hotbed. The ACC has the top level programs in major basketball hotbeds but that is a totally different conversation.

(04-28-2012 09:50 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 08:56 PM)JustAnotherName Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 02:48 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  FSU and Miami have been skating by on their past reputation.

Yea, ditto for USC and Texas in the 80's and 90's and Oklahoma in the 90's. Am I right?

no, you're not but that's okay

keep trying

LMFAO

(04-28-2012 10:01 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  The Big Four conferences in college football are the SEC, B1G, PAC, B12.

SEC: Alabama, Florida, LSU
B1G: Ohio State, Nebraska, Michigan
PAC: USC
B12: Oklahoma, Texas

The ACC doesn't have anybody on that top tier listed above.

The ACC owns NC/VA in football but outside of Virginia Tech and an occasional appearance of Wake or UNC in the top 25 it is the master of a relatively weak area of college football. An area that has never produced a National Championship.

The SEC (Florida), B1G (Ohio State), PAC (USC), B12 (Texas) all have the top level program in a major football hotbed. The ACC has the top level programs in major basketball hotbeds but that is a totally different conversation.

During the BCS/Coalition/Alliance Era, Miami and FSU have played in 9 national championship games and won at least 3. I would be shocked if any other conference comes close to having 9 appearances in the national championship game during this time, other than the SEC, let alone just 2 teams. Im pretty sure that Miami and FSU belong with the best of any conference, as far as being Marquee names.

(04-28-2012 10:24 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 10:01 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  The Big Four conferences in college football are the SEC, B1G, PAC, B12.

SEC: Alabama, Florida, LSU
B1G: Ohio State, Nebraska, Michigan
PAC: USC
B12: Oklahoma, Texas

The ACC doesn't have anybody on that top tier listed above.

The ACC owns NC/VA in football but outside of Virginia Tech and an occasional appearance of Wake or UNC in the top 25 it is the master of a relatively weak area of college football. An area that has never produced a National Championship.

The SEC (Florida), B1G (Ohio State), PAC (USC), B12 (Texas) all have the top level program in a major football hotbed. The ACC has the top level programs in major basketball hotbeds but that is a totally different conversation.

During the BCS/Coalition/Alliance Era, Miami and FSU have played in 9 national championship games and won at least 3. I would be shocked if any other conference comes close to having 9 appearances in the national championship game during this time, other than the SEC, let alone just 2 teams. Im pretty sure that Miami and FSU belong with the best of any conference, as far as being Marquee names.

I guess you didn't get the message that the ACC isn't even on the level of the Sun Belt. FSU, Miami, Clemson, VT are just scrubs.

(04-28-2012 10:24 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 10:01 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  The Big Four conferences in college football are the SEC, B1G, PAC, B12.

SEC: Alabama, Florida, LSU
B1G: Ohio State, Nebraska, Michigan
PAC: USC
B12: Oklahoma, Texas

The ACC doesn't have anybody on that top tier listed above.

The ACC owns NC/VA in football but outside of Virginia Tech and an occasional appearance of Wake or UNC in the top 25 it is the master of a relatively weak area of college football. An area that has never produced a National Championship.

The SEC (Florida), B1G (Ohio State), PAC (USC), B12 (Texas) all have the top level program in a major football hotbed. The ACC has the top level programs in major basketball hotbeds but that is a totally different conversation.

During the BCS/Coalition/Alliance Era, Miami and FSU have played in 9 national championship games and won at least 3. I would be shocked if any other conference comes close to having 9 appearances in the national championship game during this time, other than the SEC, let alone just 2 teams. Im pretty sure that Miami and FSU belong with the best of any conference, as far as being Marquee names.

That was because Miami was the one trick pony out of the Big East and Florida State was the same way out of the ACC.

That is like TCU winning a Rose Bowl out of the Mountain West.

(04-28-2012 10:43 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 10:24 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 10:01 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  The Big Four conferences in college football are the SEC, B1G, PAC, B12.

SEC: Alabama, Florida, LSU
B1G: Ohio State, Nebraska, Michigan
PAC: USC
B12: Oklahoma, Texas

The ACC doesn't have anybody on that top tier listed above.

The ACC owns NC/VA in football but outside of Virginia Tech and an occasional appearance of Wake or UNC in the top 25 it is the master of a relatively weak area of college football. An area that has never produced a National Championship.

The SEC (Florida), B1G (Ohio State), PAC (USC), B12 (Texas) all have the top level program in a major football hotbed. The ACC has the top level programs in major basketball hotbeds but that is a totally different conversation.

During the BCS/Coalition/Alliance Era, Miami and FSU have played in 9 national championship games and won at least 3. I would be shocked if any other conference comes close to having 9 appearances in the national championship game during this time, other than the SEC, let alone just 2 teams. Im pretty sure that Miami and FSU belong with the best of any conference, as far as being Marquee names.

That was because Miami was the one trick pony out of the Big East and Florida State was the same way out of the ACC.

That is like TCU winning a Rose Bowl out of the Mountain West.

You obviously fail to realize just how good SU was back then, along with VT. But, really, no matter how good or how bad the rest of their respective leagues were, it doesnt change the fact that Miami and FSU, went to NINE championship games during the BCS/Coalition era and won at least THREE national chamipionships. Only the SEC can surpass that. Those 2 teams belong with the best of any conference dude. So just give up the lame comments about the Acc not having any marquee teams lke other conferences.

And I'll share one more fact that makes your post look entirely lame and unreasonable. You listed Nebraska and Michigan as 2 teams for the Big 10 that the Acc teams cant compare to.
Did you know that both Miami and and Fsu have not only played in several national championship games since either of those Big 10 teams have won a national championship, but they have also actually won national championships since the last time that Michigan and Nebraska have won a championship? Guess what else? Miami has won as many or more championships than 5 of the teams that you list as being marquee teams that Miami cant compare to. Go figure.

(04-28-2012 10:51 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 10:43 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 10:24 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 10:01 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  The Big Four conferences in college football are the SEC, B1G, PAC, B12.

SEC: Alabama, Florida, LSU
B1G: Ohio State, Nebraska, Michigan
PAC: USC
B12: Oklahoma, Texas

The ACC doesn't have anybody on that top tier listed above.

The ACC owns NC/VA in football but outside of Virginia Tech and an occasional appearance of Wake or UNC in the top 25 it is the master of a relatively weak area of college football. An area that has never produced a National Championship.

The SEC (Florida), B1G (Ohio State), PAC (USC), B12 (Texas) all have the top level program in a major football hotbed. The ACC has the top level programs in major basketball hotbeds but that is a totally different conversation.

During the BCS/Coalition/Alliance Era, Miami and FSU have played in 9 national championship games and won at least 3. I would be shocked if any other conference comes close to having 9 appearances in the national championship game during this time, other than the SEC, let alone just 2 teams. Im pretty sure that Miami and FSU belong with the best of any conference, as far as being Marquee names.

That was because Miami was the one trick pony out of the Big East and Florida State was the same way out of the ACC.

That is like TCU winning a Rose Bowl out of the Mountain West.

You obviously fail to realize just how good SU was back then, along with VT. But, really, no matter how good or how bad the rest of their respective leagues were, it doesnt change the fact that Miami and FSU, went to NINE championship games during the BCS/Coalition era and won at least THREE national chamipionships. Only the SEC can surpass that. Those 2 teams belong with the best of any conference dude. So just give up the lame comments about the Acc not having any marquee teams lke other conferences.

And I'll share one more fact that makes your post look entirely lame and unreasonable. You listed Nebraska and Michigan as 2 teams for the Big 10 that the Acc teams cant compare to.
Did you know that both Miami and and Fsu have not only played in several national championship games since either of those Big 10 teams have won a national championship, but they have also actually won national championships since the last time that Michigan and Nebraska have won a championship? Guess what else? Miami has won as many or more championships than 5 of the teams that you list as being marquee teams that Miami cant compare to. Go figure.

Miami didn't win any championships or go to any while playing in the ACC. The ACC doesn't take on the championships of a school years before it was part of the ACC. It is absurd to attempt to claim those or put the ACC on par with the SEC for championship appearances of independent(s) and Big East program. Absurd.

The ACC will be just as hard pressed as the Big East to ever get a team in the playoffs. They just will. It's going to be a top 4 only, and ACC teams aren't going to be good enough to get into that top 4. They're just not that good. The one year they got a top 4 team was the most bizarre year we've ever seen- 2007 with only 1 1oss team. Now, it's possible that FSU comes back into prominince, but even so, I don't know with how good the SEC has gotten in the last 6 years has impacted the turf that FSU plays on. Back when FSU(and Miami) was dominating- the SEC was in general kind of down almost. Alabama in the 80's/90's just wasn't that good. Georgia had a down period. Florida only started getting good in 90 when Spurrier got there. LSU wasn't good. South Carolina when they got into the SEC was awful. now- all of these are really good. The turf is a lot harder now for FSU.

One point on SOS- big east SOS is really going to improve starting in 2013. With having 8th conference game- that is HUGE. Instead of a 5th OOC game, it's a conference game.

I guess us Pitt fans needs to refer to post #9...

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=567...pid7826520

our leaders totally failed us as a fans base...

GTFOH

Crazy

Cat

Lady

(04-29-2012 01:05 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I guess us Pitt fans needs to refer to post #9...

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=567...pid7826520

our leaders totally failed us as a fans base...

GTFOH

It ain't official until Pitt actually changes conferences. The Panthers could change their minds and follow the Mountaineers west...

BTW, wouldn't it be GTFOOH?

(04-29-2012 01:01 AM)stever20 Wrote:  One point on SOS- big east SOS is really going to improve starting in 2013. With having 8th conference game- that is HUGE. Instead of a 5th OOC game, it's a conference game.

That's a silly statement. BE SOS could have been stronger if they scheduled stronger OOCs instead of Middle Eastern Oklahoma Technical and Agricultural Supply School. Also the BE has added the Memphis boat anchor to their conference SOS and lost WV. The nBE should plan on scheduling stronger OOCs not weaker if they want to get a shot at the NS.

(04-29-2012 07:12 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-29-2012 01:05 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I guess us Pitt fans needs to refer to post #9...

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=567...pid7826520

our leaders totally failed us as a fans base...

GTFOH

It ain't official until Pitt actually changes conferences. The Panthers could change their minds and follow the Mountaineers west...

BTW, wouldn't it be GTFOOH?

G.et T.he F.uck O.utta H.ere

yup, got it right

(04-29-2012 01:05 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I guess us Pitt fans needs to refer to post #9...

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=567...pid7826520

our leaders totally failed us as a fans base...

GTFOH

I dont know why people are telling you that your leaders have totally failed you. At the time I think the better choice for Pitt WAS the ACC but now there is to be no AQ system. If your focus is rubbing elbows with the academics club and playing some basketball with them then you are still in the right place. If you were wanting a piece of the big pie though I do think that now the Big 12 will be pulling more money from the tourney system than the ACC will.

It really just depends upon what you value. The situation has changed quite a bit since that choice was made.

(04-29-2012 07:58 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-29-2012 01:05 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I guess us Pitt fans needs to refer to post #9...

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=567...pid7826520

our leaders totally failed us as a fans base...

GTFOH

I dont know why people are telling you that your leaders have totally failed you. At the time I think the better choice for Pitt WAS the ACC but now there is to be no AQ system. If your focus is rubbing elbows with the academics club and playing some basketball with them then you are still in the right place. If you were wanting a piece of the big pie though I do think that now the Big 12 will be pulling more money from the tourney system than the ACC will.

It really just depends upon what you value. The situation has changed quite a bit since that choice was made.

sarcasm bro...

(04-29-2012 07:52 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(04-29-2012 07:12 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-29-2012 01:05 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I guess us Pitt fans needs to refer to post #9...

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=567...pid7826520

our leaders totally failed us as a fans base...

GTFOH

It ain't official until Pitt actually changes conferences. The Panthers could change their minds and follow the Mountaineers west...

BTW, wouldn't it be GTFOOH?

G.et T.he F.uck O.utta H.ere

yup, got it right

I like proper English. G.et T.he F.uck O.ut.Of H.ere

Know what I mean...