(05-05-2012 04:17 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(05-05-2012 03:42 PM)BE Tex Wrote:  

(05-05-2012 03:27 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(05-05-2012 03:10 PM)BE Tex Wrote:  

(05-05-2012 02:14 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  I guess you must missed the part where I mentioned like 5 times that the most attractive schools for TV in the BE are: UCONN, RU, Houston and Boise. Do you see something missing on that list? The same reason no one wants UL is the same reason everyone did not want WVU.

Boise and SDSU going back to MWC? Man you must think people running those schools gradudated from WVU too

I guess you didn't get the memo that the WAC only has 4 members currently and may lose 2 more with Idaho and NMSU about to find other options? BSU doesn't have a place for its oly sports and the Big West isn't going to take them even with SDSU and Fresno. They didn't want them the first time and they still don't want them now. They don't need BSU even if they pay for the travel. They don't have baseball and they are not a big RPI get for men's basketball. Without the WAC, BSU is back in the Mountian West unless the BE offers an all sports invite.

Boise wasn't "turned down" by the BW, the WAC was a better fit for them at the time. Boise will be in the BW, they just need to settle on a figure for travel subsidies.

Ok...well not interested in adding BSU is still turned down to me. Big West only expanded for opportunity and Hawaii and SDSU are big opportunities for the Big West. With 10 members now that Pacific is leaving they are not needing any more schools.
If SDSU wants to save the WAC I'm all for that and it should have been the first option for you guys...but I understand the big cost savings the Big West provides. Its going to be a very interesting couple of months to see how the WAC will survive if at all.

Look..BW added Hawaii, which is a lot further away from CA than Boise. I am sure they will find a way to add Boise. SDSU can put some pressure on the situation as well as the next Western BE addition.

I wish WCC would look into adding Boise into the mix. I doubt adding Boise will hurt their basketball too much.

I wish SDSU was in the WCC... to bad its not gonna happen.

(05-05-2012 12:21 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-05-2012 12:17 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  Look, it is obvious you are here trolling. What do you expect? People let you sit around trolling? Do you want BE fans going over to B12 boards talking about how B12 gonna blow up any day soon? Why don't you take your trolling to the conference realignment cesspool board where it belongs?

Exactly. Where are the mods to reign in the trolls?

If I went to the ACC boards and started talking about how they were going to lose their "most valuable" programs, I'd be booted in short order.

Living our REAL lives

Listen OldGold, quit your freaking complaining about no one answering your OP. You have responses from Fireman (#2), Homer (#6), SF (#7), Kruciff (#8), and BE Tex (#9). Yet, you continue to on a BE board.

Your question has been answered several times and several ways. I'm also answering: Louisville would be a significant loss, but it would not kill the BE.

Now, either accept answers, just disagree, or get lost.

(05-05-2012 04:44 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(05-05-2012 12:21 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-05-2012 12:17 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  Look, it is obvious you are here trolling. What do you expect? People let you sit around trolling? Do you want BE fans going over to B12 boards talking about how B12 gonna blow up any day soon? Why don't you take your trolling to the conference realignment cesspool board where it belongs?

Exactly. Where are the mods to reign in the trolls?

If I went to the ACC boards and started talking about how they were going to lose their "most valuable" programs, I'd be booted in short order.

Living our REAL lives

Listen OldGold, quit your freaking complaining about no one answering your OP. You have responses from Fireman (#2), Homer (#6), SF (#7), Kruciff (#8), and BE Tex (#9). Yet, you continue to on a BE board.

Your question has been answered several times and several ways. I'm also answering: Louisville would be a significant loss, but it would not kill the BE.

Now, either accept answers, just disagree, or get lost.

I've got to agree with you, beej. This got old long ago...

(05-05-2012 12:15 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  I'm really not here to argue with you about WVU, the Big 12 or Texas. Please stay on the topic at hand.

The topic at hand is really none of your concern. WVa will play in the Big 12 next year. Why in the world do you care to speculate on the future Big East TV deal? Especially by posing a hypothetical that your new conference raids the Big East again?

"If we pillage you again and take Louisville, how much damage will you sustain?"

You sir, are the definition of a troll.

(05-05-2012 03:23 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-05-2012 03:10 PM)BE Tex Wrote:  I guess you didn't get the memo that the WAC only has 4 members currently and may lose 2 more with Idaho and NMSU about to find other options? BSU doesn't have a place for its oly sports and the Big West isn't going to take them even with SDSU and Fresno. They didn't want them the first time and they still don't want them now. They don't need BSU even if they pay for the travel. They don't have baseball and they are not a big RPI get for men's basketball. Without the WAC, BSU is back in the Mountian West unless the BE offers an all sports invite.

All I can say is I wish Boise the best. I'm sure this will all be resolved in one way or the other.
The MWC tried to use the same powerplay against BYU, when they were going to store their Olympic sports in the WAC. Thompson thought by gutting the WAC (taking Fresno and Nevada) that he'd get BYU to stay in the MWC for all-sports.

BYU didn't succumb to those tactics, and called Thompson's power move by putting their sports in the WCC.

I don't believe Kustra will let Thompson bully him any more than BYU did. He'll work night and day to find a solution. Too much pride and $$$ on the line.

That said, the same thing applies to Boise that applies to UL. Life would go on for those of us committed to this conference and playing on the highest level.

Boise is not BYU. First as a private religious school BYU was a great fit for the WCC. Second BYU has national caliber basketball, Volleyball, track etc. They had by far the most conference championships in the MWC. That is like saying if Ohio State can do it why can't Cincinatti.

Boise is in a real bind and the Big East seems like they don't give a damn. As someone who would like to see the western schools reunite I am good with that. Keep it up!

(05-06-2012 01:35 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  Boise is in a real bind and the Big East seems like they don't give a damn. As someone who would like to see the western schools reunite I am good with that. Keep it up!

Actually, it looks like the MWC is the conference that is screwing with Boise, not the Big East. None of us have any idea what the Big East is, or isn't, doing. All we know is that the BE has increased Boise's budget exponentially.

7 pages - solid trolling effort, I'd say B+

I believe the Clemson/FSU to B12 rumors are bogus. Officials of both schools have reportedly denied the rumors in interviews this past week on radio and/or websites.

We all know Louisville would leave for the B12 if invited (heck, so would UC and Memphis and others), but I think that's not happening, at least not any time soon. As soon as the new commish was announced, we would have heard something popping up, but nothing. BYU bloggers have said for a while now that there is a hangup in negotiations with the B12 over TV rights that might not be resolved, as they once thought it would. And there are no legit rumors out there that the B12 will go to 11 w/ UofL only, or that they have another school in mind to replace BYU. Now, maybe BYU will change its mind and concede on TV rights, who knows? Then that train will crank up.

All that being said, losing Louisville would hurt, but not be the end of the BE. We're too far from the bottom of the food chain, b/c these things always flow downhill. I doubt seriously that it would have a serious impact on TV rights, if any at all. Louisville could arguably be the best overall BE program, but certainly is not in FB, and in BB, there are plenty of other good schools to keep that side afloat.

Meanwhile, I see no reason for Boise or SDSU to go back to the MWC. In fact, I think that is a ridiculous notion, given the disparity in TV contracts between the BE and the MWC, even worst case (which I don't expect, and has not been predicted by anybody legit). Boise will figure out a home for its Oly sports. At some point the BE might even step in and help pay something up front.

However, I also think it is extremely unlikely that Boise, or any western school, will be admitted for all sports, b/c there is too much opposition, especially from the BE non-FB schools, IMO.

I think AF will be the #14 selection to the BE. I think that is already the plan, whenever both sides decide to make the announcement, or settle on an entry date. No rush until Navy joins, anyway. I also think that will be factored into the fall TV negotiations.

I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell the BE splits. Both sides need the other for TV money and NCAA credits, and general credibility, and there are no real benefits to doing otherwise.

JMO.

It will be interesting to see what happens this summer as the ESPN rights to bid for the BE tv contract by itself runs out. From what I'm hearing from more than one source and not just BE side, ESPN does not want to lose BE basketball TV contract so I think we will see some type of hybrid ESPN/NBC deal where ESPN gets most of basketball but offers a couple of Thursday night football deals and NBC gets main football rights including championship games plus some access to basketball games. From what they told me the BE could end up in a very good situation.

Nothing new but I wanted to pass it along.

(05-06-2012 07:45 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I believe the Clemson/FSU to B12 rumors are bogus. Officials of both schools have reportedly denied the rumors in interviews this past week on radio and/or websites.

I don't know if the rumors are true or not. But your reasoning leaves a little to be desired. If I recall correctly, every school that changed conferences denied they were moving right up until the moment the move was announced...

(05-06-2012 11:33 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 07:45 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I believe the Clemson/FSU to B12 rumors are bogus. Officials of both schools have reportedly denied the rumors in interviews this past week on radio and/or websites.

I don't know if the rumors are true or not. But your reasoning leaves a little to be desired. If I recall correctly, every school that changed conferences denied they were moving right up until the moment the move was announced...

Well, I have other reasons I can't share, so it's more than just my opinion, in this case. I wasn't going to bring that up, but since you questioned my reasoning, I feel that way due to other info from multiple contacts, beyond just the public statements, who are in a position to know, and say the B12 has not formally discussed expansion with either school, and has no plans to do so.

Could that info be wrong? Sure, but it informs my opinion, and makes it more than you assumed.

We'll find out soon enough. If there's going to be any movement, they're going to have to announce the moves fairly soon. The deadline is less than 2 months away...

(05-06-2012 11:57 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  We'll find out soon enough. If there's going to be any movement, they're going to have to announce the moves fairly soon. The deadline is less than 2 months away...

I agree.

(05-05-2012 05:55 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-05-2012 04:44 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(05-05-2012 12:21 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-05-2012 12:17 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  Look, it is obvious you are here trolling. What do you expect? People let you sit around trolling? Do you want BE fans going over to B12 boards talking about how B12 gonna blow up any day soon? Why don't you take your trolling to the conference realignment cesspool board where it belongs?

Exactly. Where are the mods to reign in the trolls?

If I went to the ACC boards and started talking about how they were going to lose their "most valuable" programs, I'd be booted in short order.

Living our REAL lives

Listen OldGold, quit your freaking complaining about no one answering your OP. You have responses from Fireman (#2), Homer (#6), SF (#7), Kruciff (#8), and BE Tex (#9). Yet, you continue to on a BE board.

Your question has been answered several times and several ways. I'm also answering: Louisville would be a significant loss, but it would not kill the BE.

Now, either accept answers, just disagree, or get lost.

I've got to agree with you, beej. This got old long ago...

8 pages of of discussion on a message board equals trolling? Hilarious. You guys need to stop being so sensitive. It was obviously worth discussing since it went eight pages and I only posted about 10 times in this thread.

(05-05-2012 02:36 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  But the two remaining questions, if Louisville leaves would be:

1) Who will be the Big East's two adds to get to 14? Louisville is serios loss in all sports and especially football and basketball.

BYU and Air Force if I had my way.

(05-05-2012 11:02 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(05-05-2012 10:52 AM)Fireman451 Wrote:  We'll find out when we get there and if it happens.

The window to negotiate is until September I believe.

Lets say UL gets their invite in August, how does the BE recover from losing their last "marquee" school right before their TV deal goes to the open market? IMO that would be disastrous for the BE and I would say it has at least a 50% chance of happening.

When did UL become a marquee school ?

(05-05-2012 02:04 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  You guys are really undervaluing UL's worth. They may be more excited about that western partner but the TV execs won't be. You can't sit here and tell me with a straight face that Boise State would rather play Fresno State rather than Louisville.

Fresno State is no where close to UL in either major sport or tv value, lets be real here.

Totally agree. Louisville, UConn and Rutgers are the most valuable schools in the Big East LONG-TERM as institutions. That's why those three are always the subject of expansion rumors while the everyone else is mentioned in passing. Now, Boise State is a hot school right now for TV purposes, but that's much different than conferences making long-term expansion decisions.