(05-08-2012 12:24 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Then Boise and SDSU are just being used.

Used? For several million a year, apiece? Like the B12 would "use" Louisville if they were invited?

(05-08-2012 12:58 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 12:24 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Then Boise and SDSU are just being used.

Used? For several million a year, apiece? Like the B12 would "use" Louisville if they were invited?

Everywhere but the Big East operates purely from altruism and they all gather around and sing the refrain from the 9thh Symphony while holding hands

The Boise beat reporter made an interesting point via twitter about Boise and the Big West. If the Big West rejects Boise, then Boise may not be able to go to the Big East. If that were to happen, its most likley that SDSU wouldnt be leaving the Mountain West either. In other words, not taking Boise makes it much more likley that the Big West wil lose SDSU.

(05-08-2012 01:55 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  The Boise beat reporter made an interesting point via twitter about Boise and the Big West. If the Big West rejects Boise, then Boise may not be able to go to the Big East. If that were to happen, its most likley that SDSU wouldnt be leaving the Mountain West either. In other words, not taking Boise makes it much more likley that the Big West wil lose SDSU.

That is the game in a nutshell. SDSU is worth a lot to the Big West, but the big west is also small minded and about half full with teams that shouldn't be in D1, and they seem to enjoy their baseball conference that is godawful in basketball. Who knows, when you have schools like Northridge that dropped football just about a decade ago and have not reinvested any of that money and play in a high school ladys gym, there is no telling if the bottom dwellers won't just say, let's make less money, not be on tv any more, not fill our arenas but have a chance to win league in bball and not help out SDSU.

Lots of small time thinking and D2 teams in the big west

(05-08-2012 10:57 AM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 09:01 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 08:40 AM)HtownOrange Wrote:  The Big East can absorb the OLY teams and Boise State would have to foot the bill for travel. Not really an issue except that the basketball blue-bloods don't want too many bottom feeders. Too bad, a couple bottom feeders in hoops would help boost some of the traditional powers in hoops.

Too bad? Are the Orange sending it's soccer team across the entire country for a conference game?

You really have no reading comprehension. You take everything offensive simply because you cannot understand words. Grow UP!

I am not slamming BSU. The "Too bad" refers to it being too bad that BSU is not in the Big East for all sports as it would help a few middle of the pack hoops teams to elevate to NCAA bids - an issue that has been discussed by myself and many others. A basic understanding of the English language should suffice.

I'm sure the costs would increase for BSU, but a bigger slice of pie from the Big East hoops part of the deal vs. a western hoops only conference would probably cover the increase in expenses.

Whatever your issue is, get it out of your head, I AM NOT AGAINST THE BIG EAST! I remain a Big East fan. Read my posts.

If you don't like my posts, put me on "ignore".

Did you really just make fun of my reading comprehension? I was talking about east coast schools sending their teams out west! Why would St. Johns or Villanova want to send its non-revenue sports out west? It's more than just basketball. So please, learn to read and grow up. Quit freaking out.

(05-08-2012 02:09 PM)monty Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 01:55 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  The Boise beat reporter made an interesting point via twitter about Boise and the Big West. If the Big West rejects Boise, then Boise may not be able to go to the Big East. If that were to happen, its most likley that SDSU wouldnt be leaving the Mountain West either. In other words, not taking Boise makes it much more likley that the Big West wil lose SDSU.

That is the game in a nutshell. SDSU is worth a lot to the Big West, but the big west is also small minded and about half full with teams that shouldn't be in D1, and they seem to enjoy their baseball conference that is godawful in basketball. Who knows, when you have schools like Northridge that dropped football just about a decade ago and have not reinvested any of that money and play in a high school ladys gym, there is no telling if the bottom dwellers won't just say, let's make less money, not be on tv any more, not fill our arenas but have a chance to win league in bball and not help out SDSU.

Lots of small time thinking and D2 teams in the big west

Good point. A lot of people don't know the attitude of the Big West and the make up of that conference. Even with Pacific leaving, Hawaii brings it back to 9. Having SDSU was a bonus, if they leave, no harm no foul and things will be the same before SDSU came along. The conference is meeting next week but expansion will only be talked about at a 30,000 ft level....not to see if BSU will be invited.

(05-08-2012 02:25 PM)BE Tex Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 02:09 PM)monty Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 01:55 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  The Boise beat reporter made an interesting point via twitter about Boise and the Big West. If the Big West rejects Boise, then Boise may not be able to go to the Big East. If that were to happen, its most likley that SDSU wouldnt be leaving the Mountain West either. In other words, not taking Boise makes it much more likley that the Big West wil lose SDSU.

That is the game in a nutshell. SDSU is worth a lot to the Big West, but the big west is also small minded and about half full with teams that shouldn't be in D1, and they seem to enjoy their baseball conference that is godawful in basketball. Who knows, when you have schools like Northridge that dropped football just about a decade ago and have not reinvested any of that money and play in a high school ladys gym, there is no telling if the bottom dwellers won't just say, let's make less money, not be on tv any more, not fill our arenas but have a chance to win league in bball and not help out SDSU.

Lots of small time thinking and D2 teams in the big west

Good point. A lot of people don't know the attitude of the Big West and the make up of that conference. Even with Pacific leaving, Hawaii brings it back to 9. Having SDSU was a bonus, if they leave, no harm no foul and things will be the same before SDSU came along. The conference is meeting next week but expansion will only be talked about at a 30,000 ft level....not to see if BSU will be invited.

I don't buy that. They will decide on inviting Boise at that meeting, yay or nay. They are just saying it's general because that's what one says.

(05-08-2012 02:33 PM)monty Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 02:25 PM)BE Tex Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 02:09 PM)monty Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 01:55 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  The Boise beat reporter made an interesting point via twitter about Boise and the Big West. If the Big West rejects Boise, then Boise may not be able to go to the Big East. If that were to happen, its most likley that SDSU wouldnt be leaving the Mountain West either. In other words, not taking Boise makes it much more likley that the Big West wil lose SDSU.

That is the game in a nutshell. SDSU is worth a lot to the Big West, but the big west is also small minded and about half full with teams that shouldn't be in D1, and they seem to enjoy their baseball conference that is godawful in basketball. Who knows, when you have schools like Northridge that dropped football just about a decade ago and have not reinvested any of that money and play in a high school ladys gym, there is no telling if the bottom dwellers won't just say, let's make less money, not be on tv any more, not fill our arenas but have a chance to win league in bball and not help out SDSU.

Lots of small time thinking and D2 teams in the big west

Good point. A lot of people don't know the attitude of the Big West and the make up of that conference. Even with Pacific leaving, Hawaii brings it back to 9. Having SDSU was a bonus, if they leave, no harm no foul and things will be the same before SDSU came along. The conference is meeting next week but expansion will only be talked about at a 30,000 ft level....not to see if BSU will be invited.

I don't buy that. They will decide on inviting Boise at that meeting, yay or nay. They are just saying it's general because that's what one says.

Brian Murphy ‏ @murphsturph
Big West commissioner says league will discuss membership from global perspective, "no specific proposal on the table" @ next week's meeting

From Andy Katz article: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...basketball

Also, I believe the leagues presidents are going to ask themselves can we handle 3 or 4 (big east west addition) schools that have budgets at least twice the size of our school? 2 they can handle but 3 or 4 may be more difficult for the others to compete.

(05-08-2012 02:53 PM)BE Tex Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 02:33 PM)monty Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 02:25 PM)BE Tex Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 02:09 PM)monty Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 01:55 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  The Boise beat reporter made an interesting point via twitter about Boise and the Big West. If the Big West rejects Boise, then Boise may not be able to go to the Big East. If that were to happen, its most likley that SDSU wouldnt be leaving the Mountain West either. In other words, not taking Boise makes it much more likley that the Big West wil lose SDSU.

That is the game in a nutshell. SDSU is worth a lot to the Big West, but the big west is also small minded and about half full with teams that shouldn't be in D1, and they seem to enjoy their baseball conference that is godawful in basketball. Who knows, when you have schools like Northridge that dropped football just about a decade ago and have not reinvested any of that money and play in a high school ladys gym, there is no telling if the bottom dwellers won't just say, let's make less money, not be on tv any more, not fill our arenas but have a chance to win league in bball and not help out SDSU.

Lots of small time thinking and D2 teams in the big west

Good point. A lot of people don't know the attitude of the Big West and the make up of that conference. Even with Pacific leaving, Hawaii brings it back to 9. Having SDSU was a bonus, if they leave, no harm no foul and things will be the same before SDSU came along. The conference is meeting next week but expansion will only be talked about at a 30,000 ft level....not to see if BSU will be invited.

I don't buy that. They will decide on inviting Boise at that meeting, yay or nay. They are just saying it's general because that's what one says.

Brian Murphy ‏ @murphsturph
Big West commissioner says league will discuss membership from global perspective, "no specific proposal on the table" @ next week's meeting

From Andy Katz article: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...basketball

Also, I believe the leagues presidents are going to ask themselves can we handle 3 or 4 (big east west addition) schools that have budgets at least twice the size of our school? 2 they can handle but 3 or 4 may be more difficult for the others to compete.

The thing is, they get 3 or 4 big budget schools in there, they may find that there is a market for their TV rights and more people in their stands. They---gulp---might even make money!!!

(05-08-2012 04:18 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 02:53 PM)BE Tex Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 02:33 PM)monty Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 02:25 PM)BE Tex Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 02:09 PM)monty Wrote:  That is the game in a nutshell. SDSU is worth a lot to the Big West, but the big west is also small minded and about half full with teams that shouldn't be in D1, and they seem to enjoy their baseball conference that is godawful in basketball. Who knows, when you have schools like Northridge that dropped football just about a decade ago and have not reinvested any of that money and play in a high school ladys gym, there is no telling if the bottom dwellers won't just say, let's make less money, not be on tv any more, not fill our arenas but have a chance to win league in bball and not help out SDSU.

Lots of small time thinking and D2 teams in the big west

Good point. A lot of people don't know the attitude of the Big West and the make up of that conference. Even with Pacific leaving, Hawaii brings it back to 9. Having SDSU was a bonus, if they leave, no harm no foul and things will be the same before SDSU came along. The conference is meeting next week but expansion will only be talked about at a 30,000 ft level....not to see if BSU will be invited.

I don't buy that. They will decide on inviting Boise at that meeting, yay or nay. They are just saying it's general because that's what one says.

Brian Murphy ‏ @murphsturph
Big West commissioner says league will discuss membership from global perspective, "no specific proposal on the table" @ next week's meeting

From Andy Katz article: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...basketball

Also, I believe the leagues presidents are going to ask themselves can we handle 3 or 4 (big east west addition) schools that have budgets at least twice the size of our school? 2 they can handle but 3 or 4 may be more difficult for the others to compete.

The thing is, they get 3 or 4 big budget schools in there, they may find that there is a market for their TV rights and more people in their stands. They---gulp---might even make money!!!

They might even use this to convince the Big East into a scheduling agreement for eastern exposure/western exposure (home and homes). You only need a few hoops games per season and if limited to four teams, two in the east and two in the west, no Big East school would be hard pressed to travel once every few years.

Quote:Why should the Big East throw Bosie a "lifeline"...

because Regis is a BE alum and it is the right thing to do?

(05-08-2012 02:53 PM)BE Tex Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 02:33 PM)monty Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 02:25 PM)BE Tex Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 02:09 PM)monty Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 01:55 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  The Boise beat reporter made an interesting point via twitter about Boise and the Big West. If the Big West rejects Boise, then Boise may not be able to go to the Big East. If that were to happen, its most likley that SDSU wouldnt be leaving the Mountain West either. In other words, not taking Boise makes it much more likley that the Big West wil lose SDSU.

That is the game in a nutshell. SDSU is worth a lot to the Big West, but the big west is also small minded and about half full with teams that shouldn't be in D1, and they seem to enjoy their baseball conference that is godawful in basketball. Who knows, when you have schools like Northridge that dropped football just about a decade ago and have not reinvested any of that money and play in a high school ladys gym, there is no telling if the bottom dwellers won't just say, let's make less money, not be on tv any more, not fill our arenas but have a chance to win league in bball and not help out SDSU.

Lots of small time thinking and D2 teams in the big west

Good point. A lot of people don't know the attitude of the Big West and the make up of that conference. Even with Pacific leaving, Hawaii brings it back to 9. Having SDSU was a bonus, if they leave, no harm no foul and things will be the same before SDSU came along. The conference is meeting next week but expansion will only be talked about at a 30,000 ft level....not to see if BSU will be invited.

I don't buy that. They will decide on inviting Boise at that meeting, yay or nay. They are just saying it's general because that's what one says.

Brian Murphy ‏ @murphsturph
Big West commissioner says league will discuss membership from global perspective, "no specific proposal on the table" @ next week's meeting

From Andy Katz article: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...basketball

Also, I believe the leagues presidents are going to ask themselves can we handle 3 or 4 (big east west addition) schools that have budgets at least twice the size of our school? 2 they can handle but 3 or 4 may be more difficult for the others to compete.

I know the sources, I'm simply stating that the person behind the source is feeding the same line everyone does - no one is going to say we are going to vote on team x and also no one says we're going to talk about expansion without de facto or de jure voting on team x (y,etc). They are voting on Boise, no doubt in my mind.

(05-08-2012 07:45 AM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  and invite them for all sports ? Does Boise really deserve to be thrown a lifeline ? They knew the risks when they took fooball only membership so why should they be accommodated ?

Btw, I am aware that only a few people are saying this.

The feeling of comradery is overwhelming.. really, thanks for helping us feel like second class members.

(05-08-2012 09:07 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  Surprisingly there are only a few Olympic sports not named basketball that travel to more than just a couple of away conference games. Volleyball and soccer are the two biggest offenders IIRC.

To the like minded remark, there is one way in which Boise State and the Big East are very similar and that is that whenever a chink in the armor is exposed it seems like planet earth wants to attack it and watch us fail. If we can band together on the strength of our middle fingers to the rest of the elitist a-holes I think we'll do just fine. All sports invite or no, we just need to find a suitable place to park our other sports.

The Big East certainly could have a lending hand for BSU to find a conference. BSU talks to the Big East and Big West. BSU asks Big West "we can get you Fresno State as a package deal with us." BSU talks to Big East "invite Fresno State as #14 to provide an opening for our Olympic Sports in the Big West." See... wasn't that easy. Air Force and or BYU need to sh*t or get off the pot! Fresno State is a player in the west for several reasons we have discussed at length on this board.

(05-08-2012 02:53 PM)BE Tex Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 02:33 PM)monty Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 02:25 PM)BE Tex Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 02:09 PM)monty Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 01:55 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  The Boise beat reporter made an interesting point via twitter about Boise and the Big West. If the Big West rejects Boise, then Boise may not be able to go to the Big East. If that were to happen, its most likley that SDSU wouldnt be leaving the Mountain West either. In other words, not taking Boise makes it much more likley that the Big West wil lose SDSU.

That is the game in a nutshell. SDSU is worth a lot to the Big West, but the big west is also small minded and about half full with teams that shouldn't be in D1, and they seem to enjoy their baseball conference that is godawful in basketball. Who knows, when you have schools like Northridge that dropped football just about a decade ago and have not reinvested any of that money and play in a high school ladys gym, there is no telling if the bottom dwellers won't just say, let's make less money, not be on tv any more, not fill our arenas but have a chance to win league in bball and not help out SDSU.

Lots of small time thinking and D2 teams in the big west

Good point. A lot of people don't know the attitude of the Big West and the make up of that conference. Even with Pacific leaving, Hawaii brings it back to 9. Having SDSU was a bonus, if they leave, no harm no foul and things will be the same before SDSU came along. The conference is meeting next week but expansion will only be talked about at a 30,000 ft level....not to see if BSU will be invited.

I don't buy that. They will decide on inviting Boise at that meeting, yay or nay. They are just saying it's general because that's what one says.

Brian Murphy ‏ @murphsturph
Big West commissioner says league will discuss membership from global perspective, "no specific proposal on the table" @ next week's meeting

From Andy Katz article: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...basketball

Also, I believe the leagues presidents are going to ask themselves can we handle 3 or 4 (big east west addition) schools that have budgets at least twice the size of our school? 2 they can handle but 3 or 4 may be more difficult for the others to compete.

Hey Big West, guess what, that is how you improve your conference! This is Division I Sports! The other schools need to commit to higher standards. If you can't compete... oh well!... drop down to Division II where most of those schools probably belong anyway. Several of the schools in the Big West have no business competing in Division I Athletics... at least in basketball... sorry, few people care about baseball and the other olympic sports.

I think the WAC can survive as a b/b & Olympic sports conference. They can add Cal St Bakersfield, Utah Valley and Texas Pan American to Seattle, Denver and Boise St. Idaho and New Mexico St may be forced to put f/b in Sun Belt and keep all other sports in the WAC. That is 8 schools for b/b & Olympic sports. When the Big East adds the next western member, that school should put its other sports in the WAC giving the WAC 9 members for b/b & Olympic sports. It is doable.

(05-08-2012 10:30 PM)RUfan03 Wrote:  I think the WAC can survive as a b/b & Olympic sports conference. They can add Cal St Bakersfield, Utah Valley and Texas Pan American to Seattle, Denver and Boise St. Idaho and New Mexico St may be forced to put f/b in Sun Belt and keep all other sports in the WAC. That is 8 schools for b/b & Olympic sports. When the Big East adds the next western member, that school should put its other sports in the WAC giving the WAC 9 members for b/b & Olympic sports. It is doable.

This is clearly the best option. If the WAC survives, all further Big East western expansion moves become much easier with a ready warehouse for any future football-only school's olympic sports.

Boise in the end will find a bb conf. Boise, San Diego and BE are a marriage of need from both sides and things will get worked out.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketbal...ait-a-year

Quote:Denver’s plan, according to a source, is to try to convince the remaining WAC members (Idaho, New Mexico State, Boise State and Seattle) that they should stay together to keep the league’s automatic NCAA tournament berth. The WAC could then add available Utah Valley and Cal State Bakersfield. The problem is that NMSU and Idaho will need a home for football and Boise State now would rather be in the Big West or, if the Big East were to fail, head back to the Mountain West. And, according to a source, if Denver had its choice, the Pioneers would go to the stable and all-private WCC.

(05-08-2012 07:33 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  

(05-08-2012 09:07 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  Surprisingly there are only a few Olympic sports not named basketball that travel to more than just a couple of away conference games. Volleyball and soccer are the two biggest offenders IIRC.

To the like minded remark, there is one way in which Boise State and the Big East are very similar and that is that whenever a chink in the armor is exposed it seems like planet earth wants to attack it and watch us fail. If we can band together on the strength of our middle fingers to the rest of the elitist a-holes I think we'll do just fine. All sports invite or no, we just need to find a suitable place to park our other sports.

The Big East certainly could have a lending hand for BSU to find a conference. BSU talks to the Big East and Big West. BSU asks Big West "we can get you Fresno State as a package deal with us." BSU talks to Big East "invite Fresno State as #14 to provide an opening for our Olympic Sports in the Big West." See... wasn't that easy. Air Force and or BYU need to sh*t or get off the pot! Fresno State is a player in the west for several reasons we have discussed at length on this board.

This man gets it...