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(05-07-2012 01:50 PM)Mothership Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 01:31 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 01:21 PM)jmufan Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 01:10 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  The MAC an no where else.

Sun Belt - No
Conference USA - No
WAC - No
MWC - No.
MAC- Maybe.

I agree with you on the SBC. But I do think there is a chance for CUSA. You cannot tell me that ODU isn't trying to get JMU to be a part. Also, CUSA did approach JMU, UD and ODU at the final four earlier this year. MAC is probably the best possibility.

Marshall is pulling for JMU I think.

If this end's up the final resting place for ECU, I bet they pull hard in the future for JMU, UD and ODU.

Throw in App State too.... *** **** that would be a hell of a conference.
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(05-07-2012 12:57 PM)jmufan Wrote:  Even FedEx, I think is part of the plan to market JMU to FBS leagues, saying look we can deliver Washington, DC.

But who's going to buy that? No college can realistically claim to "deliver" DC.
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(05-07-2012 02:47 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 12:57 PM)jmufan Wrote:  Even FedEx, I think is part of the plan to market JMU to FBS leagues, saying look we can deliver Washington, DC.

But who's going to buy that? No college can realistically claim to "deliver" DC.

Can any college honestly solely "claim" a major city? No college owns exclusive rights to any area aside from the town a college is located in. The markets obsession is proving nothing except making conferences worse by selecting more mediocre programs just because of their location.
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(05-07-2012 02:50 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 02:47 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 12:57 PM)jmufan Wrote:  Even FedEx, I think is part of the plan to market JMU to FBS leagues, saying look we can deliver Washington, DC.

But who's going to buy that? No college can realistically claim to "deliver" DC.

Can any college honestly solely "claim" a major city? No college owns exclusive rights to any area aside from the town a college is located in. The markets obsession is proving nothing except making conferences worse by selecting more mediocre programs just because of their location.

JMU has many selling points, but "delivering DC" isn't one of them.
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To be fair, when I say deliver DC, I don't mean own DC, I mean, that their will be viewership and interest in DC, especially given the fact that the majority of JMU alums live in DC and the fact that JMU is the most applied to school in the Commonwealth of Virginia.
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In spite of Delaware's denials of any discussions of moving to FBS within the administration, apparently the UD Board of Trustees have had FBS discussions and specifically discussed the MAC.

Quote:UD Athletic Director Bernard Muir dismissed a report last week that Conference USA had made contact with Delaware in regard to its expansion. C-USA doesn’t fit geographically, but does have some schools Delaware wouldn’t mind being lumped with academically.

The closest, and most logical, FBS destination would be the Michigan- and Ohio-heavy Mid-American Conference, for which Massachusetts recently bolted CAA football.

I’m told that moving to the FBS has been discussed favorably among members of the UD board of trustees and other high-ranking officials. The MAC, which has an opening after Temple’s recent Big East move, may be the best landing spot.

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20...t%7CSports

Could UD do a UMASS and swing MAC football and A10 basketball bids?

Quote:But there are factors to consider, such as other sports. UMass is a football-only MAC member. Delaware would certainly prefer to keep all its sports in one league, but is this the time to change that approach?

About 20 years ago, Delaware rejected a bid to join the Atlantic 10 because, though it would have been a great fit in basketball, it wouldn’t have been as beneficial for its other sports. The overall athletic program was given precedent over a major sport.
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Interesting article that could have ramifications on where JMU goes.
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(05-07-2012 03:40 PM)jmufan Wrote:  Interesting article that could have ramifications on where JMU goes.

Nowhere if UD announces its FBS intentions. We're already on an island and UD could take the final musical chair as the music stops.
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I actually think the MAC would take both UD and JMU and try to force UMASS's hand to get to 16 full members.
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(05-07-2012 03:43 PM)jmufan Wrote:  I actually think the MAC would take both UD and JMU and try to force UMASS's hand to get to 16 full members.

I don't. UMass will join all sports when they're finally forced to. They won't screw their FB program and make themselves go independent. They'll be staying in the MAC. They won't go to 16 when no conference in the country is more than 14 currently. The MAC won't be setting a new trend.
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(05-07-2012 03:45 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 03:43 PM)jmufan Wrote:  I actually think the MAC would take both UD and JMU and try to force UMASS's hand to get to 16 full members.

I don't. UMass will join all sports when they're finally forced to. They won't screw their FB program and make themselves go independent. They'll be staying in the MAC. They won't go to 16 when no conference in the country is more than 14 currently. The MAC won't be setting a new trend.

If the MAC forces UMass, JMU, and Delaware into an all-sports arrangement, now, arguably, all three will experience poor basketball recruiting. It's in the MAC's best interest for all its "Atlantic" affiliates to give MAC basketball a major boost when they are brought in. Add UD, JMU, and later Stony Brook, but by 2016, require full membership for all football affiliates or a major exit fee at that time. The MAC and A10 should team up to decimate the CAA, which in many respects is the major challenger to both.
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(05-07-2012 03:54 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 03:45 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 03:43 PM)jmufan Wrote:  I actually think the MAC would take both UD and JMU and try to force UMASS's hand to get to 16 full members.

I don't. UMass will join all sports when they're finally forced to. They won't screw their FB program and make themselves go independent. They'll be staying in the MAC. They won't go to 16 when no conference in the country is more than 14 currently. The MAC won't be setting a new trend.

If the MAC forces UMass, JMU, and Delaware into an all-sports arrangement, now, arguably, all three will experience poor basketball recruiting. It's in the MAC's best interest for all its "Atlantic" affiliates to give MAC basketball a major boost when they are brought in. Add UD, JMU, and later Stony Brook, but by 2016, require full membership for all football affiliates or a major exit fee at that time. The MAC and A10 should team up to decimate the CAA, which in many respects is the major challenger to both.

Actually the MAC East where UMass, Del and JMU would be placed has very good basketball.

The top 4 seeds in the MAC tourney this past year were Ohio, Akron, Kent and Buffalo. Since 2005, Ohio, Kent and Akron have combined for 7 out of 8 NCAA tournament appearances. The MAC East isn't that much of a drop off from the A10. Certainly JMU and Delaware shouldn't have a problem with quality of basketball played.
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(05-07-2012 03:43 PM)jmufan Wrote:  I actually think the MAC would take both UD and JMU and try to force UMASS's hand to get to 16 full members.

I hope so. The MAC may make the additions in phases. JMU for 2013 since they look the most ready then Delaware and Stony Brook for 2014.

With the east coast markets the MAC should be able to greatly increase its rights fees and TV package which is up for renegotiation in 2016.

That is why mqny believe the MAC may stand pat in 2013 with a few years to go ye before renegotation.
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(05-07-2012 04:42 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 03:54 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 03:45 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 03:43 PM)jmufan Wrote:  I actually think the MAC would take both UD and JMU and try to force UMASS's hand to get to 16 full members.

I don't. UMass will join all sports when they're finally forced to. They won't screw their FB program and make themselves go independent. They'll be staying in the MAC. They won't go to 16 when no conference in the country is more than 14 currently. The MAC won't be setting a new trend.

If the MAC forces UMass, JMU, and Delaware into an all-sports arrangement, now, arguably, all three will experience poor basketball recruiting. It's in the MAC's best interest for all its "Atlantic" affiliates to give MAC basketball a major boost when they are brought in. Add UD, JMU, and later Stony Brook, but by 2016, require full membership for all football affiliates or a major exit fee at that time. The MAC and A10 should team up to decimate the CAA, which in many respects is the major challenger to both.

Actually the MAC East where UMass, Del and JMU would be placed has very good basketball.

The top 4 seeds in the MAC tourney this past year were Ohio, Akron, Kent and Buffalo. Since 2005, Ohio, Kent and Akron have combined for 7 out of 8 NCAA tournament appearances. The MAC East isn't that much of a drop off from the A10. Certainly JMU and Delaware shouldn't have a problem with quality of basketball played.
In the A10, a school has a 1 in 5 chance of advancing to the NCAAs.

In the CAA, a school has about a 1 in 9 chance of advancing.

In the MAC, a school has a 1 in 12 chance of advancing.
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Indeed, basketball wise, I don't see a big drop off and football wise it would be an upgrade.
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James Madison is a great school but I said no to conference USA because I highly doubt they want any more FCS teams.
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(05-07-2012 06:59 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  James Madison is a great school but I said no to conference USA because I highly doubt they want any more FCS teams.

Yeah we are too old of a program alongside their 3, 1, and 0 year old programs that they just took from FCS. Too much history and winning tradition.
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(05-07-2012 07:01 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 06:59 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  James Madison is a great school but I said no to conference USA because I highly doubt they want any more FCS teams.

Yeah we are too old of a program alongside their 3, 1, and 0 year old programs that they just took from FCS. Too much history and winning tradition.

In football, yes. In any other major sport, not really. If JMU was better at basketball then I bet they'd be getting more looks.
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(05-07-2012 07:18 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 07:01 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 06:59 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  James Madison is a great school but I said no to conference USA because I highly doubt they want any more FCS teams.

Yeah we are too old of a program alongside their 3, 1, and 0 year old programs that they just took from FCS. Too much history and winning tradition.

In football, yes. In any other major sport, not really. If JMU was better at basketball then I bet they'd be getting more looks.

Basketball has nothing to do with any moves. It's nothing but location.
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Yeah, I have to agree, the last couple of rounds have been more about markets than how good your basketball or football program is. If the later were more true, start-ups would have never been invited (those programs that haven't even played a down).
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