(05-08-2012 09:29 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote: Big East split could happen soon By Mark Blaudschun of the Boston Globe. Of course this is opinion from ACC country. But this is not good when you are down and out. Looks like many are trying to give the New Big East the coup de grace
If the basketball schools are unhappy why don't they go to the 8 8 8 Model? It is simple to understand, provides better revenue for Big East basketball schools, a home for Boise Olympics and better rivalries across the board. I live in CA and I would rather see Temple Villanova twice than ever watch Villanova/SMU.
You approach the networks with 3 packages. they can bid seperately or as a whole.
An Eastern Basketball Packages
A National Football Package
An Western Basketball Package
Eastern Basketball package
(All Revenue goes to these schools)
8 Big East basketball onlys Plus
Rutgers
U-Conn
Cincinatti
Louisville
Memphis
Temple
South Florida
Central Florida
National Football Package
(All Revenue goes to these schools)
Eight Eastern Football schools plus
Boise State
SDSU
Fresno State
UNLV
New Mexico
Houston
SMU
UTEP/Colorado State/Hawaii
Western Basketball Package
(all Revenue goes to these schools)
The eight western football schools plus 4 basketball onlys
BYU?
Long Beach State?
Seattle?
Gonzaga?
Pacific?
St Mary's?
Imagine you have a moderately good allsports/FB conference. No hybrid. Now one day some excellent BB schools propose to merge with you. This does not hurt the FB product, and surely helps the BB product. This is bad how...?
I know there was some politicking going on in the past... but the cons of the hybrid are way overblown. If it works we'll keep it. EVERYONE loves that tourney at MSG!!! But if it ever doesn't work, we'll dump it. Simple as that.
Villanova and Georgetown in particular (but they are not alone in this) have no interest in leaving the newly reconstructed Big East conference. Perhaps an offer to play in the “New” ACC would tempt those schools, but barring such a power-conference move, the feelings of administrators lean heavily toward the big TV money and exposure that the Big East conference can afford — even with SMU and Houston on board. TV revenue more than covers the cost of flights and the new footprint puts these schools’ brands in new markets.
I have yet to hear or read one valid argument about why the hybrid is a bad idea. It became a hybrid to make the BB schools that played FB happy, and grew from there. Seems to work pretty well most of the time. I don't see any more conflicts than what happens in other conferences, like the B12, for example. They lost more teams in the last year than the BE did. Or, the same amount, if you count TCU, which I don't.
(This post was last modified: 05-08-2012 08:06 PM by TripleA.)
(05-08-2012 07:56 PM)MiddleTiger Wrote: Villanova and Georgetown in particular (but they are not alone in this) have no interest in leaving the newly reconstructed Big East conference. Perhaps an offer to play in the “New” ACC would tempt those schools, but barring such a power-conference move, the feelings of administrators lean heavily toward the big TV money and exposure that the Big East conference can afford — even with SMU and Houston on board. TV revenue more than covers the cost of flights and the new footprint puts these schools’ brands in new markets.
(05-08-2012 09:47 AM)TripleA Wrote: Here's a quote from the USA Today article in quo's thread about the "food chain:"
"The conference could begin television negotiations as early as September. College football officials inside the league and out, and others well versed in TV negotiations all said the league would be best served if it stayed together, even in its unwieldy current configuration."
Wilkie, I disagree with you. Both sides are better served by sticking together, not splitting. The new TV contract is being negotiated with FB and BB together, b/c it is more valuable that way. The BB schools need the association with a major conference, and the FB schools need the good BB schools. The BB side owns the BE name, so they wouldn't be the ones splitting, and the FB conference would have to start over with no brand identification. I say they continue to stay together.
But it will be interesting to see what the Boston Consulting Group advises (if it ever becomes public) about the BE's "organization design and structure." That tells me that the league is not considering splitting, but rather is figuring out if there is a better way to make this hybrid work.
(05-08-2012 10:31 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote: I really don't see how the ACC is better then the Big East in football or basketball.
Basketball:
Louisville- Tourney Team
Temple- Tourney Team
Cincinatti- Tourney Team
Memphis- Tourney Team
Marquette- Tourney Team
UConn- Tourney Team
Villanova-
St. Johns
Georgetown- Tourney Team
Seton Hall
DePaul
Notre Dame- Tourney Team
South Florida- Tourney Team
Central Florida
Houston
SMU- with new staff, solid plan. ( Might turn into a good program)
Rutgers
Providence
And that would be based off this seasons results. Do you honestly expect Villanova to stay down? They were young. Providence is on the way up. Good team coming back with good recruits coming in, Seton Hall is improving, Houston is a top 18 Recruiting Class, SMU is still a question mark but the plan is in place, Rutgers is improving, Central Florida is getting better and better and they have made a great commitment to their BBall program. St. Johns was extremely young. They will be a top 25 team if not this season the 2013-2014 season. DePaul is a question mark to me. Located in Chicago aurrounded by massive amounts of talent. I have high hopes for them
ACC- While not short on tradition, from top to bottom doesn't add up.
Duke- Tourney Team
North Carolina- Tourney Team
Florida St.- Tourney Team
Syracuse- Tourney Team
Pittsburg
Miami
N.C. State- Tourney Team
Virginia- Tourney Team
Clemson
Maryland
Wake Forest
Georgia Tech
Boston College
Virgina Tech
So 6 teams compared to 9 teams. I think it will flucate between teams but based on current rosters and incoming classes. The Big East could get as many as 11-12 teams in most seasons as compared to 5-7 for the ACC. ( Not being biased) Actual Tourney results may say different when the time comes.
As far as Football-
At worse case the conferences are about even. Only thing is we know what the ACC is going to give you every season. With the Big East the cieling is higher.
This.
The ACC , as of now is UNC and Duke for basketball. That's why they added Syracuse and Pitt. Memphis, IMO is a sleeping giant in football. Our problems have been facilities, numerous bad coaching hires and too many times cow towing to Tennessee and Mississippi. Our money people have seen the light and finally investing. It will take 3 or 4 years because right now our scholarship numbers or down, but we will be a contender. We just gotta have patience.
(05-09-2012 04:14 PM)CardFan1 Wrote: For Basketball season, 22 teams 2 Divisions
West
Boise St
Fresno St
SDSU
Houston
SMU
Louisville
Memphis
Cincinnati
Marquette
ND
Depaul
East
villanova
Temple
UConn
Rutgers
St. Johns
USF
UCF
Georgetown
Providence
Seaton Hall
Navy
Why would you do that to your basketball schools. They want to play each other more not less. Louisville and Memphis want to play Boise and Fresno like they want hole in the head....
The 8 8 8 plan is the only one that keeps the basketball schools happy by providing them more money per team (16 teams) and more play against schools they care about. 30 games in league...
Let the 8 western teams form thier own Olympic league but invite teams that make sense for an Olympic league. If you throw Navy and AF in there it blows the whole thing up.
The west teams should be
Boise
SDSU
Fresno State
UNLV
Houston
SMU
(houston and SMU won't like it but you can tell them they are replaceable if they refuse to join and CUSA is thier option)
New Mexico
BYU (if they will come) if not Hawaii/Colorado State or UTEP
Those team can form a Western all sports league with a couple add-ins that would be a decent basketball package.
This way you don't split off the league, retain Rivals, and have room for Crossover match ups. A lot of the Older BE schools have played together since formation, Former CUSA rivals even farther back. Still have OOC games with in State or Border Rivals from other conferences. I was looking at a way for all sports that wont shut out the BB , other sports schools. 22 schools would require 2 more for Quads. Choose from ,UNLV,Gonzaga, Butler for BB. USM and ECU, BYU for all sports
(This post was last modified: 05-09-2012 07:35 PM by CardFan1.)
(05-09-2012 12:04 PM)Stookey57 Wrote: `like i said in an earlier post split fr the bb side. start an 8 team all sports western side to include,
west`
boise, sd state, fresno, airforce, houston, memphis, smu, cinci
east
uconn, louville, rutger, ucf, usf, temple, navy, vilanova.
tell navy they must join in 14. TRY AN KEEP THE BIG EAST NAMING RIGHTS
big east champion in all sports east vs west..........
Great, but the Hoops Schools aren't going anywhere, unless they have more pride than brains. TV contracts aren't driven by BB... it's inventory to use, but doesn't bring the big ratings overall.
If they want to leave, I say go ahead... their TV deal will go to about 1/8th what they'll get if they stay.
(05-09-2012 08:46 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: There won't be a split
Agree 100%. I wrote a 2000 word exposition on the subject on another website. If this thread keeps going, I may have to cut and paste it over here, lol.
Anybody know who Dan Wolken is? Ex-Memphis beat writer and now national sports columnist for The Daily. He tweeted the word "never" about a possible BE split today.
