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RE: Just heard from an ND source I trust
Since the PAC is so bad in BB anymore why not invite UCLA, Arizona, USC as BB only invites to the BE ! 03-lmfao
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06-21-2012 09:04 AM
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While I don't doubt Terry's initial report, I do know that sources (even very plausible ones) can be wrong. Of course, that's more in the realm of prediction than reporting simple facts, but it's still true.

If this were to be true, that would throw the league into an imbalance between hoops and football. If that's going to happen, I wouldn't see a balancing partner being an all-sports team. If it's true, it would seem to me that the logical partner would be BYU, with a similar hybrid arrangement.

I'm not sure I see the overall appeal for the Big 12, unless they're trying to be proactive in a scenario where they think that independence would not be feasible, and they're trying to get allied with the two nationally attractive brands.
06-21-2012 10:24 AM
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RE: Just heard from an ND source I trust
(06-20-2012 03:50 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  
(06-20-2012 03:48 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Lol at the Big East if this happens.

I think the Big East would split if ND leaves too.

Do the majority of them just join the A10?

Doubtful. The "majority" would form a new FB conference.
06-21-2012 06:25 PM
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RE: Just heard from an ND source I trust
ND to the B12, or any conference for that matter, without football will be a disaster. Texas and Oklahoma will demand the same deal. So would Florida State, Clemson, Ohio State, Michigan, etc. The B12 contract is estimated to be $200m/year. Assuming 75% is for football a ($150m) and Texas and Oklahoma are worth as much as Notre Dame's estimated $25m per year the contract is down to $100m/year. Are the remaining schools worth $12.5m each for football?

Texas and Oklahoma make $30m per year ($25m for football plus $5m from the B12 for other sports) vs the current $20m.

My numbers may not be exactly correct but they are close.
06-21-2012 06:57 PM
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(06-20-2012 05:37 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(06-20-2012 05:21 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Well Terry here said that he spoke with one of his sources and they said the same thing. I hardly think his source is Chip Brown. So its not just coming from Texas.

They most certainly did not say "the same thing." Terry confirmed the Big 12 made an offer. That's it.

Brown says ND is "more likely" to move its Olympic sports to the Big 12. Not that it will happen. And what does "more likely" really mean? For example, a 2% chance is more likely than a 1% chance.

I'm sure the ACC has a competing offer out to Notre Dame. I'm also sure that ND would prefer the ACC for its basketball program than the Big 12. There's about 3-4 times as many Catholics in ACC states as Big 12 states.

That's if Notre Dame feels compelled to move. Odds are they stay put.

I'm sure they do too. An all or nothing offer. Nothing has changed regarding the ACC and ND just because of a Big 12 invite.
06-22-2012 05:16 AM
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(06-20-2012 07:30 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(06-20-2012 05:45 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  And once again we wasted time on a false rumor.

https://twitter.com/ChiTribHamilton/stat...1234718721

#NotreDame‬ AD Jack Swarbrick on report of non-football sports to Big 12: "I have no idea what prompted that."

https://twitter.com/ChiTribHamilton/stat...3100213248

More ‪#NotreDame‬ AD Jack Swarbrick on Big 12 affiliation report: "It is not based on any discussion, any meeting we have done."

https://twitter.com/ChiTribHamilton/stat...4564705280

#NotreDame‬ AD Jack Swarbrick said school is in the "homestretch" of resolving "media relationship," presumably NBC deal.

Nice find...this expansion stuff is driving me crazy. 04-jawdrop

ND to the B12 would be disastrous to the Big East (directly) and the ACC (indirectly).

How is ND joining the Big12 disastrous for the ACC? It's no more disasterous than them being in the Big East.
06-22-2012 05:17 AM
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RE: Just heard from an ND source I trust
(06-22-2012 05:17 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(06-20-2012 07:30 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(06-20-2012 05:45 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  And once again we wasted time on a false rumor.

https://twitter.com/ChiTribHamilton/stat...1234718721

#NotreDame‬ AD Jack Swarbrick on report of non-football sports to Big 12: "I have no idea what prompted that."

https://twitter.com/ChiTribHamilton/stat...3100213248

More ‪#NotreDame‬ AD Jack Swarbrick on Big 12 affiliation report: "It is not based on any discussion, any meeting we have done."

https://twitter.com/ChiTribHamilton/stat...4564705280

#NotreDame‬ AD Jack Swarbrick said school is in the "homestretch" of resolving "media relationship," presumably NBC deal.

Nice find...this expansion stuff is driving me crazy. 04-jawdrop

ND to the B12 would be disastrous to the Big East (directly) and the ACC (indirectly).

How is ND joining the Big12 disastrous for the ACC? It's no more disasterous than them being in the Big East.

While I agree with your overall thinking in this regard, ND in the Big 12 as a partial member playing at least 2 Big 12 teams on the road each year could trigger more $$$ in the final ESPN contract as a result, widening the expected gap between the ACC and the Big 12 even further.

It also could make the new "Champions' Bowl" more financially appealing if ND is an option (not saying they would be) from the Big 12 side if let's say both Texas and Oklahoma were in the Football Final Four or if one was in that and the other was 6-6 or 7-5 while ND was 9-3. Just not sure how that would work financially in those years ND is an option. Does ND get a slice even in years when they aren't chosen to make up for the fact that they don't get the entire Big 12 share when they do get picked?

If one believes that money is the prime motivation for moving, the thinking is that anything that potentially gives the Big 12 more money and prestige might lead to FSU leaving the ACC for the Big 12.

I do, however, find it strange that ND going to the Big 12 is somehow a symbol of the Big 12's growing strength while ND being a partial member in the Big East has always been viewed as pointing to the weakness of the league.

And apparently, for the ACC they are doomed if they do offer partial membership and doomed if they don't. 03-wink

Cheers,
Neil
06-22-2012 05:38 AM
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RE: Just heard from an ND source I trust
(06-22-2012 05:38 AM)omniorange Wrote:  
(06-22-2012 05:17 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(06-20-2012 07:30 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(06-20-2012 05:45 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  And once again we wasted time on a false rumor.

https://twitter.com/ChiTribHamilton/stat...1234718721

#NotreDame‬ AD Jack Swarbrick on report of non-football sports to Big 12: "I have no idea what prompted that."

https://twitter.com/ChiTribHamilton/stat...3100213248

More ‪#NotreDame‬ AD Jack Swarbrick on Big 12 affiliation report: "It is not based on any discussion, any meeting we have done."

https://twitter.com/ChiTribHamilton/stat...4564705280

#NotreDame‬ AD Jack Swarbrick said school is in the "homestretch" of resolving "media relationship," presumably NBC deal.

Nice find...this expansion stuff is driving me crazy. 04-jawdrop

ND to the B12 would be disastrous to the Big East (directly) and the ACC (indirectly).

How is ND joining the Big12 disastrous for the ACC? It's no more disasterous than them being in the Big East.

While I agree with your overall thinking in this regard, ND in the Big 12 as a partial member playing at least 2 Big 12 teams on the road each year could trigger more $$$ in the final ESPN contract as a result, widening the expected gap between the ACC and the Big 12 even further.

It also could make the new "Champions' Bowl" more financially appealing if ND is an option (not saying they would be) from the Big 12 side if let's say both Texas and Oklahoma were in the Football Final Four or if one was in that and the other was 6-6 or 7-5 while ND was 9-3. Just not sure how that would work financially in those years ND is an option. Does ND get a slice even in years when they aren't chosen to make up for the fact that they don't get the entire Big 12 share when they do get picked?

If one believes that money is the prime motivation for moving, the thinking is that anything that potentially gives the Big 12 more money and prestige might lead to FSU leaving the ACC for the Big 12.

I do, however, find it strange that ND going to the Big 12 is somehow a symbol of the Big 12's growing strength while ND being a partial member in the Big East has always been viewed as pointing to the weakness of the league.

And apparently, for the ACC they are doomed if they do offer partial membership and doomed if they don't. 03-wink

Cheers,
Neil

Doomed or not, I for one am really excited to have Syracuse and Pittsburgh as members of the ACC.
BTW, Florida State has always been an "odd fit" for the ACC. They whine a lot. If Notre Dame wanted to join the ACC as a partial or full member and came in with a FSU attitude, the ACC would be better off without them.04-cheers
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(06-22-2012 05:38 AM)omniorange Wrote:  While I agree with your overall thinking in this regard, ND in the Big 12 as a partial member playing at least 2 Big 12 teams on the road each year could trigger more $$$ in the final ESPN contract as a result, widening the expected gap between the ACC and the Big 12 even further.

It also could make the new "Champions' Bowl" more financially appealing if ND is an option (not saying they would be) from the Big 12 side if let's say both Texas and Oklahoma were in the Football Final Four or if one was in that and the other was 6-6 or 7-5 while ND was 9-3. Just not sure how that would work financially in those years ND is an option. Does ND get a slice even in years when they aren't chosen to make up for the fact that they don't get the entire Big 12 share when they do get picked?

If one believes that money is the prime motivation for moving, the thinking is that anything that potentially gives the Big 12 more money and prestige might lead to FSU leaving the ACC for the Big 12.

I do, however, find it strange that ND going to the Big 12 is somehow a symbol of the Big 12's growing strength while ND being a partial member in the Big East has always been viewed as pointing to the weakness of the league.

And apparently, for the ACC they are doomed if they do offer partial membership and doomed if they don't. 03-wink

Cheers,
Neil

That's a stretch. I don't see ND basketball adding much if anything to the bottom line of each school. Balance that with having to give Texas and Oklahoma the option of going independent for football since another member of the conference has that arrangement and it's a clear negative for the Big 12 to add ND (unless you're Tex or Okl).

I hope they do add ND. I look forward to all the articles and message board talk about the conference disunity and problems caused by going to hybrid membership.

Also, I don't see ND getting a spot in a championship game or conferences bowl tie-ins if they are a partial member of either the ACC or Big 12.

The Big 12 adding ND isn't a sign of strength. It means Texas and Oklahoma will have won because they can keep all their football money and still have a regional conference for their other sports.

I know about the grant of rights but currently it's only 5 years. If Texas and Oklahoma can go independent after 5 years, it's hardly a sign of a stable conference.
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(06-20-2012 03:01 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Sweet. Good deal for all parties involved. I would've thought they'd prefer the ACC but I can definately see Big 12 working with ND's Indy status more.

Every conference that has offered split membership is viewed as weak. If you are a great conference you shouldn't have to make special deals. If ND doesn't want to play conference football find someone else or just stay at ten.
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(06-22-2012 10:39 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Every conference that has offered split membership is viewed as weak. If you are a great conference you shouldn't have to make special deals. If ND doesn't want to play conference football find someone else or just stay at ten.

It's more than viewed as weak. It's inherently weak due to the lack of unity from all schools having the same agenda. There's enough disagreement among schools when they all sponser the same major sports. See the Big 12 and ACC.
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I love going back to old threads...lots of good posts in there. My feeling is ND probably was conversing with the B12.
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