(06-22-2012 07:12 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  This is just another effort from ESPN and the BCS cartel to kill any traction the BE has maintained with its new additions. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Big West land some sort of additional monies from ESPN, for keeping BSU out for Olympic sports. They couldn't kill the BE outright, so they're trying to take our feet out from under us by subverting a new school's commitment to the conference. Every effort has been made by ESPN and the BCS to devalue the BE. I think their hope is to kill any possibility of landing a decent TV contract, and swoop in on a devalued BE and keep them playing Thursday night games for a pittance of what the conference is worth. "Keep em poor boys, and they'll have to sign with us.". The BCS is the most corrupt group of people I've ever witnessed. They really should be congressmen.

It's possible. The question then becomes how bad does the BE want Boise. If bad enough(knowing they'd be getting a much stronger TV deal)- they have an easy answer for it. Yes.

(06-22-2012 07:12 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  The BCS is the most corrupt group of people I've ever witnessed. They really should be congressmen.

They actually make Congress look good.

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(06-22-2012 06:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think the thing to watch is what the MWC is willing to concede for having Boise remain.

I mean things like-
1- Boise allowed to wear blue uniforms at home
2- revenue split favoring Boise more
3- probably would be pressured by the state to get Idaho included- right now as 12th team.

What's interesting if Boise and Idaho join, then Big East doesn't allow SDSU to join, all of a sudden MWC is up to 14 schools....

By the wsy it sounds, not sure the MWC needs to concede anything. The things you list are small in comparison to money. Either it's there in quantities enough to make Boise go or not. The small details won't be enough to sway one way or another.

(06-22-2012 07:11 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 07:05 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 06:09 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  If that's the case, CUSA needs to invite Boise, Fresno State, UNLV, Colorado State, Utah State and New Mexico NOW (I picked those schools due to keep everything as geographically tight as possible).

Why? And preferably with an explanation that makes some type of sense.

Why not? It seems pretty obvious that Boise wants out of the MWC and CUSA WILL get a higher-paying contract -even if SDSU and BSU stay home- than the MWC will. We could offer them (1) more money, (2) more exposure and (3) a way out of the MWC. It's just a matter of inviting the right schools.

You have to be joking with all this right? Boise wanted out of the MWC to get more TV money. The MWC currently is under a bridge agreement on the TV deal and is renegotiating a new contract that will range from 2-3.4 million per team depending on the make up of the conference and championship game. Can CUSA get that much per school? The MWC exposure is just fine. They have CBS sports sold some games to ESPN and gave the schools their third tier rights back. Boise has 10 games on national TV with the MWC. CUSA just raided a bunch of FCS schools and you think Boise is going to jump at the chance to join that?

(06-22-2012 07:20 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 06:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think the thing to watch is what the MWC is willing to concede for having Boise remain.

I mean things like-
1- Boise allowed to wear blue uniforms at home
2- revenue split favoring Boise more
3- probably would be pressured by the state to get Idaho included- right now as 12th team.

What's interesting if Boise and Idaho join, then Big East doesn't allow SDSU to join, all of a sudden MWC is up to 14 schools....

By the wsy it sounds, not sure the MWC needs to concede anything. The things you list are small in comparison to money. Either it's there in quantities enough to make Boise go or not. The small details won't be enough to sway one way or another.

Well, considering they were offering the revenue difference a month ago- don't think that would change.

(06-22-2012 07:20 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 06:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think the thing to watch is what the MWC is willing to concede for having Boise remain.

I mean things like-
1- Boise allowed to wear blue uniforms at home
2- revenue split favoring Boise more
3- probably would be pressured by the state to get Idaho included- right now as 12th team.

What's interesting if Boise and Idaho join, then Big East doesn't allow SDSU to join, all of a sudden MWC is up to 14 schools....

By the wsy it sounds, not sure the MWC needs to concede anything. The things you list are small in comparison to money. Either it's there in quantities enough to make Boise go or not. The small details won't be enough to sway one way or another.

One concession I'd ask for if I were Boise would be for the MWC to pay the exit fee to the Big East.

(06-22-2012 06:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 06:20 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 06:10 PM)army56mike Wrote:  Probably a good and smart move by Boise St. San Diego St. should probably rethink things if this is true.

New Big East Football 2014
UConn
Rutgers
Temple
Navy
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
Houston
SMU

I'd agree with this list with 2 thoughts...
1- Southern Miss instead of ECU.
2- I don't think Navy can get in before 2015. I think frankly they back out. If so, I look for ECU to get in Navy's spot

If Boise/SDSU don't come in- I could see USM and ECU happening believe it or not next week, for 2013.

This would be 12 all sports football schools along with the 8 making it a 20 team conference.

While USM is a stronger football team over the relative past, it won't be about that any more if Boise backs out. USM, nor any other school, can replace what the Broncos would have brought. The BE will need strong financial programs with big fan bases and viewership (relative to what is left available for invites). Outside of BYU and Air Force, the only school that has that is ECU. Southern Miss is a distant second but at least second.

I'll believe that BSU is backing out when it actually happens though.

I'm for the all sports invites to BSU,SDSU after all it's not like our schools don't travel West or East throughout the seasons anyway. If not put the call in for USM,ECU,UMass.

(06-22-2012 07:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 07:20 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 06:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think the thing to watch is what the MWC is willing to concede for having Boise remain.

I mean things like-
1- Boise allowed to wear blue uniforms at home
2- revenue split favoring Boise more
3- probably would be pressured by the state to get Idaho included- right now as 12th team.

What's interesting if Boise and Idaho join, then Big East doesn't allow SDSU to join, all of a sudden MWC is up to 14 schools....

By the way it sounds, not sure the MWC needs to concede anything. The things you list are small in comparison to money. Either it's there in quantities enough to make Boise go or not. The small details won't be enough to sway one way or another.

Well, considering they were offering the revenue difference a month ago- don't think that would change.

Poor wording on my part. No small concessions like uniforms at home games are needed. $$$ is what is driving it and $5M is alot. Still not enough to get them to stay if BE $$$ is far more. Only good concession is if things are not great for going to the BE. Again IMO, only $$$ concessions will play a role in whether they go or stay.

(06-22-2012 07:35 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 07:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 07:20 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 06:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think the thing to watch is what the MWC is willing to concede for having Boise remain.

I mean things like-
1- Boise allowed to wear blue uniforms at home
2- revenue split favoring Boise more
3- probably would be pressured by the state to get Idaho included- right now as 12th team.

What's interesting if Boise and Idaho join, then Big East doesn't allow SDSU to join, all of a sudden MWC is up to 14 schools....

By the way it sounds, not sure the MWC needs to concede anything. The things you list are small in comparison to money. Either it's there in quantities enough to make Boise go or not. The small details won't be enough to sway one way or another.

Well, considering they were offering the revenue difference a month ago- don't think that would change.

Poor wording on my part. No small concessions like uniforms at home games are needed. $$$ is what is driving it and $5M is alot. Still not enough to get them to stay if BE $$$ is far more. Only good concession is if things are not great for going to the BE. Again IMO, only $$$ concessions will play a role in whether they go or stay.

I think something like uniforms at home games would be if nothing else a symbol.

(06-22-2012 07:12 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  This is just another effort from ESPN and the BCS cartel to kill any traction the BE has maintained with its new additions. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Big West land some sort of additional monies from ESPN, for keeping BSU out for Olympic sports. They couldn't kill the BE outright, so they're trying to take our feet out from under us by subverting a new school's commitment to the conference. Every effort has been made by ESPN and the BCS to devalue the BE. I think their hope is to kill any possibility of landing a decent TV contract, and swoop in on a devalued BE and keep them playing Thursday night games for a pittance of what the conference is worth. "Keep em poor boys, and they'll have to sign with us.". The BCS is the most corrupt group of people I've ever witnessed. They really should be congressmen.

It's ESPN's fault that the Big East is having problems? Got it.

(06-22-2012 07:39 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 07:12 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  This is just another effort from ESPN and the BCS cartel to kill any traction the BE has maintained with its new additions. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Big West land some sort of additional monies from ESPN, for keeping BSU out for Olympic sports. They couldn't kill the BE outright, so they're trying to take our feet out from under us by subverting a new school's commitment to the conference. Every effort has been made by ESPN and the BCS to devalue the BE. I think their hope is to kill any possibility of landing a decent TV contract, and swoop in on a devalued BE and keep them playing Thursday night games for a pittance of what the conference is worth. "Keep em poor boys, and they'll have to sign with us.". The BCS is the most corrupt group of people I've ever witnessed. They really should be congressmen.

It's ESPN's fault that the Big East is having problems? Got it.

So, it's ok by you that ESPN pays Big West in a bribe not to take Boise???

(06-22-2012 07:12 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  The BCS is the most corrupt group of people I've ever witnessed. They really should be congressmen.

(06-22-2012 07:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 07:39 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 07:12 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  This is just another effort from ESPN and the BCS cartel to kill any traction the BE has maintained with its new additions. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Big West land some sort of additional monies from ESPN, for keeping BSU out for Olympic sports. They couldn't kill the BE outright, so they're trying to take our feet out from under us by subverting a new school's commitment to the conference. Every effort has been made by ESPN and the BCS to devalue the BE. I think their hope is to kill any possibility of landing a decent TV contract, and swoop in on a devalued BE and keep them playing Thursday night games for a pittance of what the conference is worth. "Keep em poor boys, and they'll have to sign with us.". The BCS is the most corrupt group of people I've ever witnessed. They really should be congressmen.

It's ESPN's fault that the Big East is having problems? Got it.

So, it's ok by you that ESPN pays Big West in a bribe not to take Boise???

.....and to think I naively pointed the finger at Penn State and John Swofford among others.

It sounds like to me there has to be an announcement about Boise State either way by the end of next week..

Yes?
No?
Extension?

I would not be surprised if SDSU still was a yes to the BE though..

(06-22-2012 07:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 07:39 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 07:12 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  This is just another effort from ESPN and the BCS cartel to kill any traction the BE has maintained with its new additions. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Big West land some sort of additional monies from ESPN, for keeping BSU out for Olympic sports. They couldn't kill the BE outright, so they're trying to take our feet out from under us by subverting a new school's commitment to the conference. Every effort has been made by ESPN and the BCS to devalue the BE. I think their hope is to kill any possibility of landing a decent TV contract, and swoop in on a devalued BE and keep them playing Thursday night games for a pittance of what the conference is worth. "Keep em poor boys, and they'll have to sign with us.". The BCS is the most corrupt group of people I've ever witnessed. They really should be congressmen.

It's ESPN's fault that the Big East is having problems? Got it.

So, it's ok by you that ESPN pays Big West in a bribe not to take Boise???

I don't think for a second ESPN is giving its money to the Big West so that Boise State ends up back in the Mountain West, a conference they don't have the rights too (as opposed to the Big East which they might keep rights too).

(06-22-2012 07:46 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  It sounds like to me there has to be an announcement about Boise State either way by the end of next week..

Yes?
No?
Extension?

I would not be surprised if SDSU still was a yes to the BE though..

My understanding is that the Big East is not obligated to take SDSU if there isn't a second team west of the Rockies. I am not sure that the BE is interested in SDSU without Boise St. unless they could somehow get BYU.

(06-22-2012 08:05 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 07:46 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  It sounds like to me there has to be an announcement about Boise State either way by the end of next week..

Yes?
No?
Extension?

I would not be surprised if SDSU still was a yes to the BE though..

My understanding is that the Big East is not obligated to take SDSU if there isn't a second team west of the Rockies. I am not sure that the BE is interested in SDSU without Boise St. unless they could somehow get BYU.

Unless there was some sort of hoops component to it as well. SDSU would be a great add to the hoops. There's some good names in hoops out west as well....

(06-22-2012 06:59 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  On a side note, what is the a Big West's problem with Boise State? I understand that before this year most of the teams travel budget consisted of issuing each player an LA Metro bus pass, but Hawaii wrecks that argument. I can't believe that a $1M chip the Big West couldn't solve the problem.

Boise is a bad fit for the big west. I think the big west is holding out for UNLV, Fresno or both. The big east could solve this tomorrow if they went with Fresno or UNLV to pair with Boise but they think they can get everything they want.

The big east could force a true western division and make it happen also but they are sold on their acadamies strategy.

(06-22-2012 07:52 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 07:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 07:39 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 07:12 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  This is just another effort from ESPN and the BCS cartel to kill any traction the BE has maintained with its new additions. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Big West land some sort of additional monies from ESPN, for keeping BSU out for Olympic sports. They couldn't kill the BE outright, so they're trying to take our feet out from under us by subverting a new school's commitment to the conference. Every effort has been made by ESPN and the BCS to devalue the BE. I think their hope is to kill any possibility of landing a decent TV contract, and swoop in on a devalued BE and keep them playing Thursday night games for a pittance of what the conference is worth. "Keep em poor boys, and they'll have to sign with us.". The BCS is the most corrupt group of people I've ever witnessed. They really should be congressmen.

It's ESPN's fault that the Big East is having problems? Got it.

So, it's ok by you that ESPN pays Big West in a bribe not to take Boise???

I don't think for a second ESPN is giving its money to the Big West so that Boise State ends up back in the Mountain West, a conference they don't have the rights too (as opposed to the Big East which they might keep rights too).

It wouldn't surprise me, especially given that ESPN stands to pick up the BE TV contract for a pittance if they can devalue the conference through exclusionary behavior and a nonstop media attack on the BE, prior to contract negotiations. What better way to scare away other suitors than to undermine the BE's value in addition to repeatedly saying the BE is not a power conference? Especially given the BE's BCS bowl record vs. the ACC. But because the ACC has resigned their TV contract with ESPN, that never gets mentioned.

Don't even pretend that the "5 power conferences" don't want the BE dead. Every comment and decision says they want the BE dead, especially for the new playoff system they've just implemented to eliminate "BCS busters" from spoiling their party. If you truly believe that, then you're dense or too biased with your elite school, self-inflated sense of self worth to see the BCS is a good ole boy system, designed to keep "the riff raff" out of the national championship picture.

So, playoff or not, the CFB championship will still be a farce, because these bg schools are scared of a fair system, where they might have to earn something instead of the media giving them their tin crown.